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Offline KG Living Legend

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 Ok so here is today's hypothetical scenario. We Draft Dunn third, and by the All star break he's Avg 30 mpg, he plays like a veteran.

 During the Final two months he's a 16ppg 6apg 5rpg 2spg player. He's clearly a stud and our best chip going forward.

 Now what do the rotations look like? Who does he flourish in the backcourt with? Avery might be the perfect backcourt partner with him because he shoots it and doesn't need the ball much.

 Can the Dunn Smart backcourt work? Who starts? Does Thomas get traded? So many questions!
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We already have bad 3pt shooting and only 1 guy that can create offense for himself from the 3point and in. It would also be the 3rd year in a row we take a point. Honestly, I'd rather go with more of a sure thing: Okafor, Ingram, Russell, buddy, Jabari

I just realized that if he is a legit player then what do we do? Well we trade IT Smart and probably AB right off the bat.

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I would love Dunn on this team and wouldn't mind moving one of our guards to open up playing time for him. Even still, he could just take ET's minutes with Smart backing up Crowder and Bradley instead.

I think if Dunn showed he was a franchise talent, then IT may move back to a 6th man role in a year or two or we would need to trade him. He and Dunn could play together, but they are both very ball dominant.

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I wonder what we could get for Smart + Amir + 16 + 23?

I wonder if we could get Butler without giving up #3 this year, if we offered one or both of the future Brooklyn picks + Smart?

If we could get a good enough offer for Smart, I'd definitely draft Dunn.

Unless, of course, Ingram falls to us. He's my top pick in this draft.

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Use Smart in a package for a star.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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We already have bad 3pt shooting and only 1 guy that can create offense for himself from the 3point and in. It would also be the 3rd year in a row we take a point. Honestly, I'd rather go with more of a sure thing: Okafor, Ingram, Russell, buddy, Jabari

I just realized that if he is a legit player then what do we do? Well we trade IT Smart and probably AB right off the bat.

So?  Without having enough information on Bender, Dunn is the bpa at 3, imo, and what makes Okafor, Ingram, Russell, Buddy, or Jabari more of a 'sure thing', in your opinion, especially when two of those guys haven't even played in the NBA yet?

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We already have bad 3pt shooting and only 1 guy that can create offense for himself from the 3point and in. It would also be the 3rd year in a row we take a point. Honestly, I'd rather go with more of a sure thing: Okafor, Ingram, Russell, buddy, Jabari

I just realized that if he is a legit player then what do we do? Well we trade IT Smart and probably AB right off the bat.

So?  Without having enough information on Bender, Dunn is the bpa at 3, imo, and what makes Okafor, Ingram, Russell, Buddy, or Jabari more of a 'sure thing', in your opinion, especially when two of those guys haven't even played in the NBA yet?

When you're drafting in the lottery, especially at #3, you never draft for need, you always take the BPA. If that is Dunn, then so be it.

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Ok so here is today's hypothetical scenario. We Draft Dunn third, and by the All star break he's Avg 30 mpg, he plays like a veteran.

 During the Final two months he's a 16ppg 6apg 5rpg 2spg player. He's clearly a stud and our best chip going forward.

 Now what do the rotations look like? Who does he flourish in the backcourt with? Avery might be the perfect backcourt partner with him because he shoots it and doesn't need the ball much.

 Can the Dunn Smart backcourt work? Who starts? Does Thomas get traded? So many questions!

Dunn is extremely unlikely to get 32 mpg by the trade deadline. Otherwise, he could play with anyone in our backcourt, other than Rozier, because he can guard multiple positions. Rozier is a pure PG too, so that does not work that well. Thomas is a scoring PG who could move to SG if needed as he does with Smart.

If we are talking assets, Dunn is the BPA. If we are talking fit, he improves the PG position and forces a trade of a backcourt asset for another positional asset, but does not address our biggest needs (shooting, SF, bigs). I am a fan of Dunn’s and would take him (if I could not find a trade), but I can understand why Ainge would go in another direction.

With all the backcourt assets, it might be difficult to trade anyone other than IT (unlikely, since scoring is our biggest issue) or AB. In AB's case, there should be a strong market since containing the best backcourt player and still having enough scoring on the floor should command a premium. Without being able to line up a trade quickly, then you do not have enough minutes to showcase and develop players at the same time. We would have the same crowded backcourt issues drafting Murray or Hield, but no one is ruling them out because they are shooters.

Otherwise, I would take Bender or Hield and avoid Chriss (all potential) and Murray (no defense, shot creation in NBA). Brown has a high enough floor with his defense to be acceptable, but he's very raw too and while obviously bright, his offensive BBIQ is not impressive to me watching his videos. Obviously different positions, but AB had an elite defensive pedigree and a deficient offensive BBIQ (still does) coming out of school, but at least he could shoot and he went 19th. One big caveat on bad shooters is statistically that fault does not translate well to the NBA according to ESPN's Kevin Pelton.

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Use Smart in a package for a star.

You would move Smart for sure, would need to bundle him with some better players to get a star tough sorry.

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I think Danny would shop Isaiah and Smart and trade whichever one is worth more on the trade market.
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We already have bad 3pt shooting and only 1 guy that can create offense for himself from the 3point and in. It would also be the 3rd year in a row we take a point. Honestly, I'd rather go with more of a sure thing: Okafor, Ingram, Russell, buddy, Jabari

I just realized that if he is a legit player then what do we do? Well we trade IT Smart and probably AB right off the bat.

So?  Without having enough information on Bender, Dunn is the bpa at 3, imo, and what makes Okafor, Ingram, Russell, Buddy, or Jabari more of a 'sure thing', in your opinion, especially when two of those guys haven't even played in the NBA yet?

When you're drafting in the lottery, especially at #3, you never draft for need, you always take the BPA. If that is Dunn, then so be it.

Duh, lol ;D. Didn't I say that in so many words?

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I think Danny would shop Isaiah and Smart and trade whichever one is worth more on the trade market.

Yeah, come on, Danny, shake those assets ;) ::) ;D.

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I like Dunn, but when was the last time a point guard won a championship?

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No matter how good anyone thinks Dunn is gonna be he won't be better then Isaiah. Isaiah is probably the 5th best pg in the league

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We already have bad 3pt shooting and only 1 guy that can create offense for himself from the 3point and in. It would also be the 3rd year in a row we take a point. Honestly, I'd rather go with more of a sure thing: Okafor, Ingram, Russell, buddy, Jabari

I just realized that if he is a legit player then what do we do? Well we trade IT Smart and probably AB right off the bat.

None of those guys are more of a sure thing then Dunn.

If hes legit and as good as i think he could be, id try to run Dunn/Bradley or Dunn / Rozier in the backcourt and see if i can get IT to buy in to being the soark 9ff the bench again.  Tough sell after his allstar season last year, but id try tovsell him on doing what he needs to to win games.