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Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2016, 05:42:54 PM »

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I'm with Danny leroux on this one.

What happens with brown if his jumper doesn't drastically improve? What if he can't take nba wings off the dribble?

What role does he play on a good team if he isn't an efficient scorer off ball and can't create good shots for himself or others on the ball?
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Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2016, 05:53:43 PM »

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I'm with Danny leroux on this one.

What happens with brown if his jumper doesn't drastically improve? What if he can't take nba wings off the dribble?

What role does he play on a good team if he isn't an efficient scorer off ball and can't create good shots for himself or others on the ball?

He plays the role of Tony Allen.  That's not necessarily what you want from a #3 pick, but it's still one that has a decade in a good NBA rotation.  It's not someone who disappears from the NBA after his rookie deal runs out, or before (Hi Anthony Bennett!)

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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2016, 05:58:27 PM »

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If we select Brown at #3 I'd be fine with that. He brings everything that we value highly in Boston. From everything that I've heard he is a hard worker that puts in the time into becoming a better shooter and scorer. He reminds me so much of Butler that I'd almost rather stick with Brown and develop him than trade a bunch of assets for Butler.

Yeah, a guy with considerably more will than skill, all brawn and no brains, but as long as he can defend and rebound, right, because apparently that's all that matters anymore ::).

Or maybe he's a kid who works hard and gets better, at the age of 19, because that never happens.  Just as an example, he started his NCAA career shooting 26% from 3 in his first two months, and then shot 35% from three for the rest of the regular season.  Or improved his assist from 1.5 to 2.3 per game over the same period.

He's got a considerable amount of skill.  If his will exceeds that, all the better.

Absolutely, but you have to admit that it doesn't look good for him as of right now.  Personally, I'm much more interested in the guy who shut him down despite giving up 4 inches and 35-40 lbs and also chipped in ::) 20 points, 17 rebounds :o, 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 blocks on 7-15 shooting, 1-3 from 3, and 5-7 from the line :o. #smittenwiththemitten ;D
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Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2016, 06:00:08 PM »

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If we select Brown at #3 I'd be fine with that. He brings everything that we value highly in Boston. From everything that I've heard he is a hard worker that puts in the time into becoming a better shooter and scorer. He reminds me so much of Butler that I'd almost rather stick with Brown and develop him than trade a bunch of assets for Butler.

Yeah, a guy with considerably more will than skill, all brawn and no brains, but as long as he can defend and rebound, right, because apparently that's all that matters anymore ::).

lol. this is kinda true. It's why (I think) I prefer Murray a tad more than the other guys. At some point, talent takes over. Grit and will and all these nice words only go so far.

You might enjoy this, then, even if Dalen's comments are certainly off the...cuff ;) ::) ;D.

http://www.csnne.com/video/blakely-celtics-being-aggressive-shopping-no-3-pick
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Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2016, 06:10:31 PM »

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First, Smart gets compared to Marcus Banks

Now, Jaylen Brown is compared to Kendrick Brown? LOL

Gotta love celticsblog.

Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2016, 06:17:38 PM »

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First, Smart gets compared to Marcus Banks

Now, Jaylen Brown is compared to Kendrick Brown? LOL

Gotta love celticsblog.

What not compare Jaylen Brown to a bigger and more athletic Marcus Smart?  I cannot wait to see both of them brick 3 after 3 this year...said no one ever ;D.

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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2016, 06:21:24 PM »

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First, Smart gets compared to Marcus Banks

Now, Jaylen Brown is compared to Kendrick Brown? LOL

Gotta love celticsblog.

What not compare Jaylen Brown to a bigger and more athletic Marcus Smart?  I cannot wait to see both of them brick 3 after 3 this year...said no one ever ;D.

Problem with comparing Brown to Smart and Tony Allen is that those guys are dominant defenders. Brown has the physical tools to be great on that end, but he isn't there yet and he might never be.

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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2016, 06:27:22 PM »

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If we select Brown at #3 I'd be fine with that. He brings everything that we value highly in Boston. From everything that I've heard he is a hard worker that puts in the time into becoming a better shooter and scorer. He reminds me so much of Butler that I'd almost rather stick with Brown and develop him than trade a bunch of assets for Butler.

Yeah, a guy with considerably more will than skill, all brawn and no brains, but as long as he can defend and rebound, right, because apparently that's all that matters anymore ::).

Or maybe he's a kid who works hard and gets better, at the age of 19, because that never happens.  Just as an example, he started his NCAA career shooting 26% from 3 in his first two months, and then shot 35% from three for the rest of the regular season.  Or improved his assist from 1.5 to 2.3 per game over the same period.

He's got a considerable amount of skill.  If his will exceeds that, all the better.

Absolutely, but you have to admit that it doesn't look good for him as of right now.  Personally, I'm more interested in the guy who shut him down despite giving up 4 inches and 35-40 lbs and also chipped in ::) 20 points, 17 rebounds :o, 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 blocks on 7-15 shooting, 1-3 from 3, and 5-7 from the line :o. #smittenwiththemitten ;D

Look, Brown isn't my first choice for the #3 pick either.  That's Dunn for me.  But I'm kind of sick of the lazy, hyperbolic statements about players only being liked for their athleticism.  Yes, it's a big part, because the best players are almost always the best athletes.  But he's got loads more skill than plenty of players with lesser athleticism.  People get too tied up on teenagers' imperfections here.  Every single potential draftee will need to improve to become an NBA star, Ben Sinmons included. 

The key is to imagine:
a) what you think a player's performance could be if he reaches near his maximum potential,
b) what a player's performance will be if he improves moderately, but still carries a major flaw or two,
c) what a player's performance will be if he improves only mildly, or not at all, and
D) what you think the relative probability of said scenarios are

Brown has a very high rank for choice part A because of his athleticism, and that he's shown flashes of being a very good shooter, although not consistently so.  He also might have a bit lower C rank due to his inconsistent shot and his penchant for taking a lot of shots.  What's his middle ground? I'd say probably playoffs Jae Crowder. 

But the other point is that Brown may have the work ethic to give him greater odds to reach options A and B, and avoid option C.

Regardless, it's short-sighted to look at 19-21 year olds and assume that they won't get better, maybe very much so, but also unwise to assume that their flaws will naturally go away.  This just isn't about you and Brown, but it's relevant all the same, and the hyperbolic rhetoric probably isn't necessary from a lot of posters.

Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #53 on: June 17, 2016, 06:34:21 PM »

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First, Smart gets compared to Marcus Banks

Now, Jaylen Brown is compared to Kendrick Brown? LOL

Gotta love celticsblog.

What not compare Jaylen Brown to a bigger and more athletic Marcus Smart?  I cannot wait to see both of them brick 3 after 3 this year...said no one ever ;D.

Problem with comparing Brown to Smart and Tony Allen is that those guys are dominant defenders. Brown has the physical tools to be great on that end, but he isn't there yet and he might never be.

His advanced defensive stats were pretty solid.  Not Marcus Smart level (he was great), but he was a good defender who occasionally made some mistakes.  It's very easy to project him to being a plus defender at the NBA, and at least an average defender as a rookie.

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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2016, 10:51:02 PM »

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If we select Brown at #3 I'd be fine with that. He brings everything that we value highly in Boston. From everything that I've heard he is a hard worker that puts in the time into becoming a better shooter and scorer. He reminds me so much of Butler that I'd almost rather stick with Brown and develop him than trade a bunch of assets for Butler.

Yeah, a guy with considerably more will than skill, all brawn and no brains, but as long as he can defend and rebound, right, because apparently that's all that matters anymore ::).

Or maybe he's a kid who works hard and gets better, at the age of 19, because that never happens.  Just as an example, he started his NCAA career shooting 26% from 3 in his first two months, and then shot 35% from three for the rest of the regular season.  Or improved his assist from 1.5 to 2.3 per game over the same period.

He's got a considerable amount of skill.  If his will exceeds that, all the better.

Absolutely, but you have to admit that it doesn't look good for him as of right now.  Personally, I'm more interested in the guy who shut him down despite giving up 4 inches and 35-40 lbs and also chipped in ::) 20 points, 17 rebounds :o, 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 blocks on 7-15 shooting, 1-3 from 3, and 5-7 from the line :o. #smittenwiththemitten ;D

Look, Brown isn't my first choice for the #3 pick either.  That's Dunn for me.  But I'm kind of sick of the lazy, hyperbolic statements about players only being liked for their athleticism.  Yes, it's a big part, because the best players are almost always the best athletes.  But he's got loads more skill than plenty of players with lesser athleticism.  People get too tied up on teenagers' imperfections here.  Every single potential draftee will need to improve to become an NBA star, Ben Sinmons included. 

The key is to imagine:
a) what you think a player's performance could be if he reaches near his maximum potential,
b) what a player's performance will be if he improves moderately, but still carries a major flaw or two,
c) what a player's performance will be if he improves only mildly, or not at all, and
D) what you think the relative probability of said scenarios are

Brown has a very high rank for choice part A because of his athleticism, and that he's shown flashes of being a very good shooter, although not consistently so.  He also might have a bit lower C rank due to his inconsistent shot and his penchant for taking a lot of shots.  What's his middle ground? I'd say probably playoffs Jae Crowder. 

But the other point is that Brown may have the work ethic to give him greater odds to reach options A and B, and avoid option C.

Regardless, it's short-sighted to look at 19-21 year olds and assume that they won't get better, maybe very much so, but also unwise to assume that their flaws will naturally go away.  This just isn't about you and Brown, but it's relevant all the same, and the hyperbolic rhetoric probably isn't necessary from a lot of posters.

Right, if he doesn't have the work ethic, motor, intelligence, and skills to succeed, none of a-d matter.  Conversely, if he has the work ethic and intelligence but not the motor or skills needed to be successful, none of a-d matter.  Yes, guys get better, but aside from his athleticism which allows him to dunk the ball at virtually every opportunity, what are his skills?  I also think it's funny to see a guy with that kind of athletic prowess get twice rejected by the rim when attempting dunks, lol, although, in fairness, that was in the video of him against Thon Maker in high school.

As for the comparison to Smart, that was more in terms of offense, even though putting the words 'Marcus Smart' and 'offense' in the same sentence doesn't feel right ;D.

No matter, does Brown have a friend named Jacoby, or are we going to be forced to resort to UPS jokes next season, lol? #whatcanbrowndoforyou

Re: Ford- Cs seriously considering Brown at 3
« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2016, 12:06:00 PM »

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Just another update on Twitter. Not new info, but an interesting opinion.

Jaylen Brown reportedly canceled his visit with the #Wolves (Pick 5), which means he likely believes he will be drafted Pick 3/4. #NBADraft
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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2016, 12:25:05 PM »

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If Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons went to Duke, and Brandon Ingram went to Cal or LSU, it wouldn't even be a debate who's better. Brown would be looked at as Justise Winslow on steroids

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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2016, 12:27:56 PM »

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If Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons went to Duke, and Brandon Ingram went to Cal or LSU, it wouldn't even be a debate who's better. Brown would be looked at as Justise Winslow on steroids

Or Ingram would have had to carry that team and been the #1 pick. Ingram can flat out shoot those 2 can't.

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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2016, 02:18:54 PM »

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Spoke to several teams that had Cal forward Jaylen Brown in for draft workouts. All 3 said his performance was stellar. Shot the ball really well. Was in great shape. After a shaky freshman season, he may be rising in the draft. He has elite physical tools. Celtics seriously considering him at 3.


Define Workout?
Was it against the Cavs front court? Golden St's backcourt? Posting up Cousins or Gasol? Was it shooting a 3 with Tony Allen in his face?

All Bullsh!t. Thats what it is. The only move you got, is to trade the pick and find an established player. Or perhaps trade down by acquiring a future pick.

2 intriguing players in this draft. This guy aint one of them