CBS Sports Analyst Doug Gottlieb's has Ingram falling

[jpotter33]

As the future owner of the Boston Celtics I could try and explain why LAL would let Ingram slide:

LAL have the best record and ability to pitch FA in basketball. The new strategically ideal way to win basketball games and compete with the best teams would dictate that the LAL select Buddy Hield/trade down to get him(and extra assets).

It would be negligent for them to not already know which FA's they can target the next 2 off-seasons. There are too many STAR players to list, but the new strategic way to win basketball games dictates 3-point shooting and floor spacing ahead of everything.

If I were the Lakers I would be highly considering Buddy Hield. Knowing that LAL have a great ability to land STAR FA's and the next 2 off-season have a hoard of them. Right now my back-court is Jordan Clarkson+Deangelo Russell but Russell is the better 3-point shooter and point guard going foward.
 I would be drooling what a pairing of D.Russell/Buddy Hield back-court would mean for the future of this team, not only would it recruit star players but it would automatically stretch the floor and keep defenses honest, and it goes right along with the "NEW BASKETBALL STRATEGY".

Russell: 1.6 3mpg @35.5%,14ppg,3.4rpg,1.2spg,3.3apg, 28mpg
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D-Angelo-Russell-7175/stats/
Hield:4 3mpg @45%

IDC what anyone says they have to be thinking that a Russel&Hield back-court will pay off much more than selecting Ingram would, mostly because they can always sign a star 3,4,5.

The thing is, their most likely free agent acquisition is Westbrook, isn't it? Hield would be an ideal two next to him, but then you'd have Russell that you'd have to try and turn into another star via trade.

[crimson_stallion]

I seriously doubt Ingram falls past #2 unless Bender somehow goes before him.
Ingram's floor after putting on 20 LBs of muscle currently looks like Rudy Gay, and his ceiling is a franchise guy- even better than Paul Pierce.

I don't really agree there.  I think his floor is Nicholas Batum - aside from Ingram's longer wingspan, the two are almost identical.

It's also questionable whether Ingram will put on 20 pounds.  I'm sure he will, but you are speaking of it as if it is a given - it's not really.  Some guys (like Anthony Davis and Dwight Howard) bulk up well when they get to the NBA.  Other guys (like Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince) never did.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Gottlieb is a total clown. A close friend worked at ESPN and commented that he was awful to fellow employees, particularly underlings, and had little knowledge of basketball beyond his glory days at Notre Dame. My mom walked on at Notre Dame (men's team) but ultimately decided it was beneath her.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I seriously doubt Ingram falls past #2 unless Bender somehow goes before him.
Ingram's floor after putting on 20 LBs of muscle currently looks like Rudy Gay, and his ceiling is a franchise guy- even better than Paul Pierce.

  I think his floor is Nicholas Batum - aside from Ingram's longer wingspan, the two are almost identical.

It's also questionable whether Ingram will put on 20 pounds.  I'm sure he will, but you are speaking of it as if it is a given - it's not really.  Some guys (like Anthony Davis and Dwight Howard) bulk up well when they get to the NBA.  Other guys (like Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince) never did.

Ingram never had his length measured after the 2015 HOOP SUMMIT. It's my experience, given so much time, that players with his body style end up measuring better at the NBACombine. He i longer with wingspan and standing reach than Batum and Rudy Gay but his standing reach is much longer than both, half a foot in Batum's case.
His athleticism and speed also were not tested and if I were his agent I would have had him in doing everything(but if he gets hurt then...). Last year he grabbed the top of the backboard before entering his freshman season.
His handles and passing are much better than most people will give him credit for and IMO at his age, he has better handles than Durant did at the same age.

Ingram is quick, agile, and can handle the ball. I really bet he plays a good amount at the 2. And that's the difference between he and Durant, he's a mix of Durant and T-Mac...but especially while he is bulking up I expect him to play a lot of 2.

[LGC88]

Danny Ainge talked about all those mock drafts 2 years ago.
He didn't have much respect for all the mock drafts and the media when it comes to scout.
He went on to say that until the final week before the draft, nothing is for sure, players are improving, working out and showing different things than they did in college.

So, it's ok to set our mind on players that "look" good but I trust the REAL scouts to make the best decision.
If Ingram fells, no big deal, in fact I would be worried instead of jumping from joy all over the place like most Celtics fan would do if that's the case.

[LarBrd33]

I wouldn't be that shocked to be honest. 

Simmons is a huge step above all other prospects, but I'm not entirely convinced Ingram is.

Ingram is a good player with legit talent and a lot of upside, but I'm not sure his ceiling is nearly as high as many people predict. 

I'm still looking forward to Chad Ford's Draft Tier article, because I've got the sense from what I've read that Ingram is not seen as one of those top tier guys who has can't-miss potential.  Wouldn't be totally shocked to see him fall.  And that's why I really doubt we'll see any trades until we're on the clock.  We need to see if the Lakers do something unexpected before we make a decision.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I wouldn't be that shocked to be honest. 

Simmons is a huge step above all other prospects, but I'm not entirely convinced Ingram is.

Ingram is a good player with legit talent and a lot of upside, but I'm not sure his ceiling is nearly as high as many people predict. 

People say he looks like the next Durant- I don't buy in to that one bit.  He's not even close to the level Durant was at as a freshman.  Not even close.  I suspect that Tayshaun Prince / Nicholas Batum might be a more realistic projection. 

By no means is that a bad thing as both were good players, but not sure he's a franchise player or a perennial all-star.  Not saying it's out of the question, I just don't think it's probable.

I really don't think guys like Dunn, Hield, Brown and Bender as as far apart from Ingram as people might thing, to be completely honest.  I do think Ingram is above those guys, but seeing him slip is not (I think) out of the question entirely.

Towns and Okafor were seen as unquestionable 1/2 picks last year, and Oakfor fell to three.   Anything can happen.

And the Lakers were the ones who did not take him so there is hope for us to get Ingram. Going to be a crazy night. Dunn is good.
If Ingram does slip do we trade the pick maybe the next question.

[mef730]

Has anyone scrolled down? Chriss at #12? Celtics taking Brice Johnson at #16? Labissiere at 26? This may be a big board, but he's telling us that there will be surprises after #1. Sounds like a mock draft to me. Not a very good one, but still...

Mike

[steve]

If the Lakers don't take ingram it will be Brown. I think bender falls passed 5.

[CelticsJG]

I hope Ingram falls. I doubt it...His potential too high to pass up.

[indeedproceed]

I think its pretty insane that Gottlieb has Dunn ranked #2.

Its like he's baiting us into clicking on his material

[Beat LA]

His handles and passing are much better than most people will give him credit for and IMO at his age, he has better handles than Durant did at the same age.

Ingram is quick, agile, and can handle the ball. I really bet he plays a good amount at the 2. And that's the difference between he and Durant, he's a mix of Durant and T-Mac...but especially while he is bulking up I expect him to play a lot of 2.

I might give you his underrated passing ability, but he is neither agile nor quick.  Not even close.  I know that I've said this in another thread, but Ingram's 'quickness', lol, is kind of like Austin Daye meets Kyle Anderson - not good.  Yes, Ingram is the better leaper than either of those two guys, but, I mean, Jamal freaking Murray blew by him for a layup and Ingram didn't even bother to try and recover to block Murray's shot, although I'm not sure that he could have done so, lol.

I'm with Crimson - I've never seen the Durant comparison, myself, although I'm probably wrong, and if he actually puts on weight, if that's even possible , it's only going to slow him down even more, right?  So the question then becomes who can he guard at the next level?  He's much too slow for either of the wing positions, and if he has to play any 4 with even the most minimal of post skills, he's liable to be snapped in half, lol.   

Meanwhile, there's this 6'9 214 lb 23 year old white senior from Iowa named Jarrod Uthoff who is just as springy as Ingram albeit much quicker, and yet some scouts question his athletic ability .  Why?  Please don't tell me that it's just because one dude is an older white guy and the other is a one and done at Duke. #whitemencantjump

[Beat LA]

Danny Ainge talked about all those mock drafts 2 years ago.
He didn't have much respect for all the mock drafts and the media when it comes to scout.
He went on to say that until the final week before the draft, nothing is for sure, players are improving, working out and showing different things than they did in college.

So, it's ok to set our mind on players that "look" good but I trust the REAL scouts to make the best decision.
If Ingram fells, no big deal, in fact I would be worried instead of jumping from joy all over the place like most Celtics fan would do if that's the case.

That's not a surprise given his track record, lol.  Ugh.