Jaylen Brown vs. Kris Dunn

[Surferdad]

I have to admit I have not done my research on this year's draft prospects.  I mainly  get my info from you guys and a bit on youtube, but only in the past few weeks.

I am trying to differentiate these two guys, with the assumption that Danny will NOT take Bender (for whatever reason).

I already have a good feel for Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield.

Dunn has state a preference for someplace other than Boston.  Pfft.

Who do you take, and why?

[dreamgreen]

Need option 3 = neither.

[vgulab]

My mock draft

1.Ingram
2.Simmons
3.Dunn
4.Murray
5.Hield
6.Chriss
7.Brown

Dunn is BPA but the thing is he isn't good fit with Celtics unless Smart get traded.

Same goes for Brown. He is similar player to Crowder and doesn't bring anything more to the table than him, so unless Crowder gets traded i don't think he is good fit.

Murray and Hield are similar players and really good fit with Celtics. They both take more 3s than 2s and the can do what Avery does offensively, run off ball and make long shots. IT and AB and Smart with Murray/Hield would be great.

Chriss is great prospect i really like him. I think he will be great player. He is at streching the floor, mobile, athletic and also a rim protector with a solid length.  I would be happy with that pick.

I didn't put Bender here because i don't think he is worth a top 7 pick because doesn't matter how much potential he has he needs at least 3 years to be ready for nba, just like Marc Gasol. If he came to the nba at 18 or 19 he would be bust, he wasn't a good player i remember but he developed. So the team that selects Bender need to give him regular minutes and be very patient with him. But best scenario is Bender to stay in europe at least one more season.

Another interesting guy is Deyonta Davis, i like him i hope he will be there at 16, but unlikely.

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[Surferdad]

Need option 3 = neither.

Okay, give me your #3 pick (other than Bender).

[Granath]

Neither

People talk about Hield being too old to improve yet Dunn is the same age. Who was the better player last year? Why can Dunn improve while Hield can't? It makes no sense.

I'm not sold on Brown, who is a superb athlete whose game didn't exactly light the world on fire last year. I tend to be nervous about athletes who didn't produce all that much.

Frankly, I think Danny will take Bender.

[ManUp]

Dunn seems to be just a slightly more athletic and bigger Rozier. In fact, Dunn is only younger than Rozier by a day. Because of his size and athleticism he's got a lot of potential, but how much more?

Brown is just super raw. I absolutely hate his shooting, but the consensus seems to be that his shot isn't broken. He's got to work on his ball handling and learn to slow his self down, but a lot of his flaws seem coachable. Considering his age the room for growth is absolutely there.

I think the Celtics need to really start investing in Athleticism.

[Evantime34]

I'm a really big fan of Brown. At this point I would be happy with Brown, Bender or Murray at 3.

Elite first step, good handle for someone him age. He can create separation from the man guarding him which is huge for his offensive ceiling. He has the chance to be special defensively as a guy who can guard 1-4. People underrate him as a defender, while he doesn't put up crazy steals/blocks his team performs better on defense when he is on the court.

Here is a quote from Kevin O'Connor on his defense

As a team they ranked 17th in the nation in AdjD, per KenPom. Per HoopsLens, they have a 94 DRTG with Brown on the court compared to 102 DRTG with him off. Watching film, it's clear he played a significant role in their team success regardless of the individual blocks/steals.

He didn't shoot well from 3 in college, but he was playing with 2 bigs and a pg who couldn't shoot, their spacing was absolutely brutal and they played a slow down space. Essentially Cal's system minimized the quality looks he would get. He actually shot decent from 3 on the catch and shoot on not many attempts (according to the Nate Duncan podcast)

Give me the young player with elite physical attributes at a position of need over the older player at a position we are already well stocked at.

[max215]

I'm a really big fan of Brown. At this point I would be happy with Brown, Bender or Murray at 3.

Elite first step, good handle for someone him age. He can create separation from the man guarding him which is huge for his offensive ceiling. He has the chance to be special defensively as a guy who can guard 1-4. People underrate him as a defender, while he doesn't put up crazy steals/blocks his team performs better on defense when he is on the court.

Here is a quote from Kevin O'Connor on his defense

As a team they ranked 17th in the nation in AdjD, per KenPom. Per HoopsLens, they have a 94 DRTG with Brown on the court compared to 102 DRTG with him off. Watching film, it's clear he played a significant role in their team success regardless of the individual blocks/steals.

He didn't shoot well from 3 in college, but he was playing with 2 bigs and a pg who couldn't shoot, their spacing was absolutely brutal and they played a slow down space. Essentially Cal's system minimized the quality looks he would get. He actually shot decent from 3 on the catch and shoot on not many attempts (according to the Nate Duncan podcast)

Give me the young player with elite physical attributes at a position of need over the older player at a position we are already well stocked at.

Did you listen to the Dunc'd On scouting report of him?

[Evantime34]

I'm a really big fan of Brown. At this point I would be happy with Brown, Bender or Murray at 3.

Elite first step, good handle for someone him age. He can create separation from the man guarding him which is huge for his offensive ceiling. He has the chance to be special defensively as a guy who can guard 1-4. People underrate him as a defender, while he doesn't put up crazy steals/blocks his team performs better on defense when he is on the court.

Here is a quote from Kevin O'Connor on his defense

As a team they ranked 17th in the nation in AdjD, per KenPom. Per HoopsLens, they have a 94 DRTG with Brown on the court compared to 102 DRTG with him off. Watching film, it's clear he played a significant role in their team success regardless of the individual blocks/steals.

He didn't shoot well from 3 in college, but he was playing with 2 bigs and a pg who couldn't shoot, their spacing was absolutely brutal and they played a slow down space. Essentially Cal's system minimized the quality looks he would get. He actually shot decent from 3 on the catch and shoot on not many attempts (according to the Nate Duncan podcast)

Give me the young player with elite physical attributes at a position of need over the older player at a position we are already well stocked at.

Did you listen to the Dunc'd On scouting report of him?

yes

[The One]

Me too...it was interesting that the hosts were split on him...kind of indicative of all the prospects from 3 on.


I like Brown a lot...could be a really, really good player.

[footey]

Until this morning I was thinking Danny would have a tough choice between Brown and Bender. The last guy I was considering was Dunn. Mostly based on need.

Then two things struck me: Ainge really does not think about need (e.g., Rozier pick); and Dunn is the one guy in this entire draft (with exception of Simmons who will be gone at 1) who has some alpha dog in him. Kind of like Gary Payton. 

I am starting to think that Dunn is the guy Danny will pick. Would not be my first choice (I'm a Bender fan) but I can really see this happening, especially if we can move some other pieces (such as Smart or Rozier) to make room for the kid.

[Evantime34]

Me too...it was interesting that the hosts were split on him...kind of indicative of all the prospects from 3 on.


I like Brown a lot...could be a really, really good player.

Yeah I kind of agreed with most of what Nate said and ignored what Danny said.

[Surferdad]

Until this morning I was thinking Danny would have a tough choice between Brown and Bender. The last guy I was considering was Dunn. Mostly based on need.

Then two things struck me: Ainge really does not think about need (e.g., Rozier pick); and Dunn is the one guy in this entire draft (with exception of Simmons who will be gone at 1) who has some alpha dog in him. Kind of like Gary Payton. 

I am starting to think that Dunn is the guy Danny will pick. Would not be my first choice (I'm a Bender fan) but I can really see this happening, especially if we can move some other pieces (such as Smart or Rozier) to make room for the kid.

Correct, but you have understated the point.  Danny was absolutely unequivocal that he will take BPA, without any hesitation or qualifiers in his response.  (This was a TV interview so I don't have a link, but I'm sure you can find it elsewhere if you want.)  Now, the only question is how he defines BPA, today or down the road.

[max215]

I'm a really big fan of Brown. At this point I would be happy with Brown, Bender or Murray at 3.

Elite first step, good handle for someone him age. He can create separation from the man guarding him which is huge for his offensive ceiling. He has the chance to be special defensively as a guy who can guard 1-4. People underrate him as a defender, while he doesn't put up crazy steals/blocks his team performs better on defense when he is on the court.

Here is a quote from Kevin O'Connor on his defense

As a team they ranked 17th in the nation in AdjD, per KenPom. Per HoopsLens, they have a 94 DRTG with Brown on the court compared to 102 DRTG with him off. Watching film, it's clear he played a significant role in their team success regardless of the individual blocks/steals.

He didn't shoot well from 3 in college, but he was playing with 2 bigs and a pg who couldn't shoot, their spacing was absolutely brutal and they played a slow down space. Essentially Cal's system minimized the quality looks he would get. He actually shot decent from 3 on the catch and shoot on not many attempts (according to the Nate Duncan podcast)

Give me the young player with elite physical attributes at a position of need over the older player at a position we are already well stocked at.

Did you listen to the Dunc'd On scouting report of him?

yes

Nate seemed VERY enthusiastic about Brown, which I found kind of surprising. That episode definitely gave me a bit more confidence in Brown, should Danny pick him.