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Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray vs Marquese Chriss
« on: June 15, 2016, 05:35:56 PM »

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Brown would be an easy choice at #3 if some of  his weaknesses didn't look so troublesome.   Like crashing to the basket against 3 defenders, missing open jump shots, defensive lapses, just unfocused and wild at times.   He is explosive, quick but at times the game looked too quick for him. 

A good excuse he has is, Cal was dependent on him and other teams mainly prepared to stop him.  And because his team is mediocre (unable to buy a bucket in stretches), at times he had to try to go 1 on 3.  Opposing teams also could have played more zone D, preventing Brown to drive and have him shoot more jump shots. Defensively he was unfocused trying to do too much out there.

Now if he is surrounded by better players his positives could flourish much more and weaknesses masked better. 
Reading workout reports, his jump shot looks good, but I doubt he will ever be a very good jump shooter at the nba level.  With minor differences here and there,  I think Brown compares well to Derozan.  With unknowns - consistency and ability to come through in the clutch

The issues with drafting Murray is, we are very congested at the guard spot.  Drafting a #3 pick to only have him sit on the bench would be inefficient/unable to capitalise on the gift the Nets have given us. 

Murray should be automatic from the 3 pt line when open.   But it becomes more and more tricky to answer if he can get his shot off/able to score against good NBA defenders.  From JR Smith, to Tony Allen etc.
In my opinion he knows how to play the game. Like some have pointed about, he is like Paul Pierce in the way he uses headfakes, false steps, utilizes change of speed and also has a very nice mid range game (floater, dribble stop and pops). 

Defensively regardless as to how hard he works at it, he won't be above average.  Like IT will never be above average. But both guys put in the effort at least and their IQ could bail them out here and there. 

One way to fit Murray in the lineup would be to trade Young and or Hunter.   Smart, Murray, Rozier off the bench backcourt (and  also if you want to go small ball route) could compliment AB and IT well. 

Comparison: Bradley Beal


Better player now: Murray
Higher upside: Brown

Maybe only thing Danny can do is flip a coin. Tough decision
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Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 05:45:08 PM »

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I was #teammurray but am slowly moving toward #teambrown. I've got eight draft picks and BKN's picks for the next two years. Without a clear choice available, I can take some chances.

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Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2016, 05:50:47 PM »

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I was #teammurray but am slowly moving toward #teambrown. I've got eight draft picks and BKN's picks for the next two years. Without a clear choice available, I can take some chances.

Mike

Good thought.   

I know Murray will become a rotational player but has boundaries he may never be able to break through

Brown is a beast that needs to increase focus and learn to "slow" the game down.  If he can ever learn to play "one step ahead"  ,  he will be amazing

Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2016, 05:54:13 PM »

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Brown would be an easy choice at #3 if some of  his weaknesses didn't look so troublesome.   Like crashing to the basket against 3 defenders, missing open jump shots, defensive lapses, just unfocused and wild at times.   He is explosive, quick but at times the game looked too quick for him. 

A good excuse he has is, Cal was dependent on him and other teams mainly prepared to stop him.  And because his team is mediocre (unable to buy a bucket in stretches), at times he had to try to go 1 on 3.  Opposing teams also could have played more zone D, preventing Brown to drive and have him shoot more jump shots. Defensively he was unfocused trying to do too much out there.

Now if he is surrounded by better players his positives could flourish much more and weaknesses masked better. 
Reading workout reports, his jump looks good, but I doubt he will ever be a very good jump shooter at the nba level.  With minor differences here and there,  I think Brown compares well to Derozan.  With unknowns - consistency and ability to come through in the clutch

The issues with drafting Murray is, we are very congested at the guard spot.  Drafting a #3 pick to only have him sit on the bench would be inefficient/unable to capitalise on the gift the Nets have given us. 

Murray should be automatic from the 3 pt line when open.   But it becomes more and more tricky to answer if he can get his shot off/able to score against good NBA defenders.  From JR Smith, to Tony Allen etc.
In my opinion he knows how to play the game. Like some have pointed about, he is like Paul Pierce in the way he uses headfakes, false steps, change of speeds and also has a very nice mid range game (floater, dribble stop and pops). 

Defensively regardless as to how hard he works at it, he won't be above average.  Like IT will never be above average. But both guys put in the effort at least and their IQ could bail them out here and there. 

One way to fit Murray in the lineup would be to trade Young and or Hunter.   Smart, Murray, Rozier off the bench backcourt (and  also if you want to go small ball route) could compliment AB and IT well. 

Comparison: Bradley Beal


Better player now: Murray
Higher upside: Brown

Maybe only thing Danny can do is flip a coin. Tough decision

I don't see Murray in the mix at 3. Just lacks the athleticism that he will need to set himself apart in this league. Even though he is only 19, he seems like he has already grown into his body, and I mean that as a negative. I don't think he will get much stronger.  We will see.

Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2016, 05:57:37 PM »

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Brown would be an easy choice at #3 if some of  his weaknesses didn't look so troublesome.   Like crashing to the basket against 3 defenders, missing open jump shots, defensive lapses, just unfocused and wild at times.   He is explosive, quick but at times the game looked too quick for him. 

A good excuse he has is, Cal was dependent on him and other teams mainly prepared to stop him.  And because his team is mediocre (unable to buy a bucket in stretches), at times he had to try to go 1 on 3.  Opposing teams also could have played more zone D, preventing Brown to drive and have him shoot more jump shots. Defensively he was unfocused trying to do too much out there.

Now if he is surrounded by better players his positives could flourish much more and weaknesses masked better. 
Reading workout reports, his jump looks good, but I doubt he will ever be a very good jump shooter at the nba level.  With minor differences here and there,  I think Brown compares well to Derozan.  With unknowns - consistency and ability to come through in the clutch

The issues with drafting Murray is, we are very congested at the guard spot.  Drafting a #3 pick to only have him sit on the bench would be inefficient/unable to capitalise on the gift the Nets have given us. 

Murray should be automatic from the 3 pt line when open.   But it becomes more and more tricky to answer if he can get his shot off/able to score against good NBA defenders.  From JR Smith, to Tony Allen etc.
In my opinion he knows how to play the game. Like some have pointed about, he is like Paul Pierce in the way he uses headfakes, false steps, change of speeds and also has a very nice mid range game (floater, dribble stop and pops). 

Defensively regardless as to how hard he works at it, he won't be above average.  Like IT will never be above average. But both guys put in the effort at least and their IQ could bail them out here and there. 

One way to fit Murray in the lineup would be to trade Young and or Hunter.   Smart, Murray, Rozier off the bench backcourt (and  also if you want to go small ball route) could compliment AB and IT well. 

Comparison: Bradley Beal


Better player now: Murray
Higher upside: Brown

Maybe only thing Danny can do is flip a coin. Tough decision

I don't see Murray in the mix at 3. Just lacks the athleticism that he will need to set himself apart in this league. Even though he is only 19, he seems like he has already grown into his body, and I mean that as a negative. I don't think he will get much stronger.  We will see.

He is already a pretty strong kid.  So doesn't need to bulk up alot more.  Lateral quickness definitely needs to improve

His 1st year college performances is as good as it gets for a 1st year player.  Especially 3 pt shooting efficiency


Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2016, 06:19:45 PM »

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Its an easy choice: Brown.   He will be an elite defender, capable of guarding 3-4 positions.  If that's not enough, he will be a terror in the open court.

Murray would not see much playing time at all.
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Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2016, 06:38:26 PM »

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Brown over Murray
Murray is better skilled now
But Browns potential is higher because of his athleticism and murrays lack of athleticism
Especially at the guard position where athleticism is greatly needed to defend and attack quick guards

Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2016, 06:39:49 PM »

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Brown over Murray
Murray is better skilled now
But Browns potential is higher because of his athleticism and murrays lack of athleticism
Especially at the guard position where athleticism is greatly needed to defend and attack quick guards

Good points. But IT also has limitations and he did a good job without getting burned alot last season

Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2016, 07:01:48 PM »

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Brown.

At #3 I Need upside. Murray at 3 is to high considering that he'll likely be a really good role player at best. I feel like it'd be using a number 3 on JJ Reddick. The NBA's rules cater to elite athletes and with Brown's tools at worst he's a rotational player. Not to mention, Murray's defense will probably keep him off the floor at least a season with Steven's defense first coaching style. At worst with Brown you get a Shumpert type, with Murray you might be getting a guy who can't guard well enough to stay on the floor. Then you have Brown winning the upside battle, so it's a no brainer. Not to mention the Celtics are almost completely void of any really athleticism.

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2016, 07:04:46 PM »

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Brown.

At #3 I Need upside. Murray at 3 is to high considering that he'll likely be a really good role player at best. I feel like it'd be using a number 3 on JJ Reddick. The NBA's rules cater to elite athletes and with Brown's tools at worst he's a rotational player. Not to mention, Murray's defense will probably keep him off the floor at least a season with Steven's defense first coaching style. At worst with Brown you get a Shumpert type, with Murray you might be getting a guy who can't guard well enough to stay on the floor. Then you have Brown winning the upside battle, so it's a no brainer. Not to mention the Celtics are almost completely void of any really athleticism.

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Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2016, 07:10:45 PM »

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But you know what could stink is ,

If we don't pick Murray and he ends up like Beal.  And Brown ends up like a Terrence Williams

Remember him? Super athlete but had no confidence in his jump shot, a little wild.  Just didn't have "it". You could tell he got by in College utilizing mainly his physical tools

Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2016, 07:34:36 PM »

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But you know what could stink is ,

If we don't pick Murray and he ends up like Beal.  And Brown ends up like a Terrence Williams

Remember him? Super athlete but had no confidence in his jump shot, a little wild.  Just didn't have "it". You could tell he got by in College utilizing mainly his physical tools

exactly. and Murray has shown (on all basketball levels thus far) that he has "it". he's a scorer. i dont see that changing in the nba.

i could see brown being an athletic freak who nevers finds his role in the nba because he never became a basketball player.
(though, i can also see him becoming a SF version of westbrook, and that would be amazing. problem is, westbrook has "it". brown doesnt seem to have it. )
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2016, 07:36:19 PM »

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This would 100 percent be if Ainge's best and only trades/scenarios were for a new direction.I wouldn't mind Buddy Hield if he falls to #6 and we can acquire him from the Pelicans.

Trade would probably be around Crowder but Crowder is worth more than #6. So this would only make sense if we can get get Hield and a 2017 first rounder to convey to BKN(with other 2nd round picks this year and young players)so we can get both:BKN&Celtics 2017 1st round picks.

I don't see this happening bc if we are gonna push for a title it makes zero sense, but if Ainge feels we need to go in a new direction(if we acquire Okafor and Jabari) getting the rights to both our picks in 17' would be best case scenario.

What do you think it would take to get BKN , asside from conveying them a 2017 1st rd pick which rules say we need to do, to give us both our pick and theirs for 2017?
I'm thinking we need to consolidate picks but BKN is starving for prospects and players, enough to sign Anthony Bennet(did they sign him already or agree to terms)
Maybe we convey them a 2017 first rd pick acquired from another team, which would have stipulations.
Then give them some of our glut in the 2nd round and a young guy.

I get it's NBA2k but debating these situations help's us all learn IMO.

Re: Jaylen Brown vs Jamal Murray
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2016, 08:15:35 PM »

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 Would rather roll the dice on Bender than Brown.
 
 You can find pure athletes later on. Why spend the #3 pick on someone that can't really play yet.

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« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2016, 08:26:40 PM »

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Right now and I'll probably change me mind 10 more times, but right now I'd take Hield over both of them. I think he's the most NBA ready player in the draft and allows us to make trades with our other wings to bring in an upgrade at the 4/5.