Trading Bradley, Isaiah and #3 to Bulls for Butler ?

[PaulP34]

http://www.upi.com/Chicago-Bulls-may-unload-Jimmy-Butler-on-Celtics-for-No-3-pick/1861465916590/

I think this is way to much to pay for Jimmy Butler. No way this happens. It also says Danny is keyed in on All Horford and Durant in FA. That's no secret but if Danny trades all that for Butler then we know that the two players on the Durant list were indeed Butler and Horford. Does anyone see this happening ?

To be honest, I will be happy if it brings over Durant but if not, we pay to much for Butler. All he's got over Bradley is height. Bradley shoots better, and IT ? No way.

I know its speculation but I wouldn't put it passed Danny to go through with this.

[TheSundanceKid]

If IT is used to get a "star" then you don't advance your chances of getting Durant. Any deal that has IT going out is flawed

[Csfan1984]

I think Rozier, AB, JJ and 3 pick for Butler is the best deal Bulls can hope for from C's. No IT or Smart.

[chambers]

If he does give up this much it's because he's got Mike Conley ready to replace IT.
I don't think he'll do this though, IT is too valuable with his contract.
I think we're more likely to give up BRK 17' than IT

[Future Celtics Owner]

If IT is used to get a "star" then you don't advance your chances of getting Durant. Any deal that has IT going out is flawed

I disagree IT may be our best player, or the only one that can create his own offense, but he's not untouchable and as Celtic's fans we have seen far better than him.

[byennie]

C'mon now, read the article you posted. Nowhere does it say #3, IT and Bradley for Butler - just that the Bulls would "also have interest" in IT and Bradley. Huge difference.

[PaulP34]

If he does give up this much it's because he's got Mike Conley ready to replace IT.
I don't think he'll do this though, IT is too valuable with his contract.
I think we're more likely to give up BRK 17' than IT

Do you think he's trying to get Jimmy Butler and Paul George in trades using all Brooklyn assets ?

It would be amazing if we had both then somehow got KD to sign over. But I don't know if we have that many assets to give up for a trade like that

[TheSundanceKid]

If IT is used to get a "star" then you don't advance your chances of getting Durant. Any deal that has IT going out is flawed

I disagree IT may be our best player, or the only one that can create his own offense, but he's not untouchable and as Celtic's fans we have seen far better than him.

He's far from untouchable certainly. I mean that the deals we are seeing that have IT going out for a 2nd tier player like Butler or whoever is flawed. The idea behind getting someone like Butler is to get the big fish like Durant. In that case, removing IT is a detriment. So I think the logic behind it is flawed.

If IT were a part of getting a top tier player such as George or hypothetically a newly re-signed Durant then of course it's a no brainer. Also despite my disagreement, the trades that send IT out for top draft picks have some merit if that were the path being taken. Using IT as part of a package for a 2nd tier star won't happen though because the objective contradicts trading him

[CoachBo]

I think Rozier, AB, JJ and 3 pick for Butler is the best deal Bulls can hope for from C's. No IT or Smart.

Then no Butler.

I would happily include Smart in a Butler deal, along with the 3. Major offensive upgrade.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think Rozier, AB, JJ and 3 pick for Butler is the best deal Bulls can hope for from C's. No IT or Smart.

Then no Butler.

I would happily include Smart in a Butler deal, along with the 3. Major offensive upgrade.

Yes but in your opinion Marcus is trash so that's hardly surprising. If you take his league value then it's an overpay

[CoachBo]

And your proof that Tony Allen Jr. is highly valued around the league is exactly what?

Ainge didn't value Tony Allen that highly. I have zero doubt he'd move Smart to get a scorer. I certainly would.

[Dedalus]

If IT is used to get a "star" then you don't advance your chances of getting Durant. Any deal that has IT going out is flawed

IT is a liability on defense and quite stoppable in playoff games. He cannot defend. You can only hide him during so many games. Why play with a dude that's 5'8, primarily a scorer, and creates extra work for his peers on D? What's so much better about IT than Smart or Rozier? IT made the all star game over John Wall and Derrick Rose, sure. He's not better than either of those players. There are so many competent PGs in the league. How many of those pgs are as good defensively? So if there are so many good point guards, we have a smart offensive system, and find someone else to score 16 a night, why on earth keep IT? I like him and will be happy either way after suffering through the Crawford at PG season. I really don't care because I'm going to watch either way and be happy about it. If we could trade IT for Conley would you? Where does IT rank in the east amongst PGs? Where in the NBA? There's at least 5 in the East better. His contract is attractive, he's pretty replaceable, and can only impact %50 of the game.

[Celtics4ever]

I think AB could be dealt but I do not see IT being moved in this deal.  Butler himself is not going to be able to win on this team without AB or IT.   He needs one of them to help us.   This would put us back some.

[TheSundanceKid]

And your proof that Tony Allen Jr. is highly valued around the league is exactly what?

Ainge didn't value Tony Allen that highly. I have zero doubt he'd move Smart to get a scorer. I certainly would.

He got 2 All-Defensive First team votes, 7 points total and he's part of the USA select team this summer with talents like Okafor, Russell, Lavine, Mudiay, Ingram etc. And he's just finished his second year. I'd say the league values him

[TheSundanceKid]

If IT is used to get a "star" then you don't advance your chances of getting Durant. Any deal that has IT going out is flawed

IT is a liability on defense and quite stoppable in playoff games. He cannot defend. You can only hide him during so many games. Why play with a dude that's 5'8, primarily a scorer, and creates extra work for his peers on D? What's so much better about IT than Smart or Rozier? IT made the all star game over John Wall and Derrick Rose, sure. He's not better than either of those players. There are so many competent PGs in the league. How many of those pgs are as good defensively? So if there are so many good point guards, we have a smart offensive system, and find someone else to score 16 a night, why on earth keep IT? I like him and will be happy either way after suffering through the Crawford at PG season. I really don't care because I'm going to watch either way and be happy about it. If we could trade IT for Conley would you? Where does IT rank in the east amongst PGs? Where in the NBA? There's at least 5 in the East better. His contract is attractive, he's pretty replaceable, and can only impact %50 of the game.

I don't know who I'd choose between Conley and IT. Purely on ability it's Conley but he will take a contract at least $14m higher than IT so that will limit your pursuit of other players. I'm a big fan of Marcus and was once a supporter of IT as the 6th man but if you can't see how much better this team is with IT leading the way then I would say your bias is blinding you.

Again, I'm not averse to trading him, I'm saying that IT is a reason for a guy like Durant to sign here. IT and Butler is a bigger one. Just Butler is smaller than both IT and Butler and not enough to get someone like Durant. Which is why I'm saying trades including IT are often flawed