Sean Deveny- Cs intent on pursuing Barnes

[Smartacus]

Who would GS have to renounce to sign Barnes to a max?

Could Iguodala become available? Livingston? Ezeli?

Maybe we could interest them in a Crowder for Iguodala swap since Crowder is more cost controlled.

[MJohnnyboy]

Who would GS have to renounce to sign Barnes to a max?

Could Igudala become available? Livingston? Ezeli?

I don't think they have to renounce anyone since the cap is exploding. They'll probably let Ezeli go.

[PhoSita]

Barnes would fit the Celts time line and he's the kind of player virtually every team needs now. A bit overpriced at the max but probably worth it.

[Smartacus]

Who would GS have to renounce to sign Barnes to a max?

Could Igudala become available? Livingston? Ezeli?

I don't think they have to renounce anyone since the cap is exploding. They'll probably let Ezeli go.

Ya your probably right.That's a lot of money tied up in Barnes, Thompson, Draymond and Iggy though. Steph Curry might be due for a bit of a pay raise come 2017

[Smartacus]

People who knock him for not putting up monster numbers seem to ignore the point that he's also been a key member of one of the greatest teams of all time.

Jeff Green has never had the kind of success that Barnes has enjoyed in GS. IMO unlike Green, Barnes' game is conducive to winning Basketball. Barnes is durable, can defend multiple positions, move the ball effectively and stretch the floor with his 3 ball. He'd fit our culture like a glove. He wouldn't need to give us 25 PPG, 17-19 PPG with all of his intangibles would be huge for this team.

[MJohnnyboy]

Who would GS have to renounce to sign Barnes to a max?

Could Igudala become available? Livingston? Ezeli?

I don't think they have to renounce anyone since the cap is exploding. They'll probably let Ezeli go.

Ya your probably right.That's a lot of money tied up in Barnes, Thompson, Draymond and Iggy though. Steph Curry might be due for a bit of a pay raise come 2017

That's why things are so convenient for them right now. The cap will skyrocket even more next summer, and Curry will be due for another pay raise just as he, Bogut, Iggy, and Livingston all come off the books. This couldn't have worked out better for the NBA's next dynasty.

[saltlover]

People who knock him for not putting up monster numbers seem to ignore the point that he's also been a key member of one of the greatest teams of all time.

Jeff Green has never had the kind of success that Barnes has enjoyed in GS. IMO unlike Green, Barnes' game is conducive to winning Basketball. Barnes is durable, can defend multiple positions, move the ball effectively and stretch the floor with his 3 ball. He'd fit our culture like a glove. He wouldn't need to give us 25 PPG, 17-19 PPG with all of his intangibles would be huge for this team.

I pretty much agree with this, and am on Team Barnes.

The one thing I will question, however is whether this team needs another super hybrid role-player, or really needs to get an alpha scorer (preferably one who isn't a defensive liability).  That's not meant to be a knock on Barnes -- I think he's incredibly versatile matchup wise, but he doesn't seem to be a guy who you can look to for a huge scoring night even occasionally.  We saw vs the Hawks that IT needed someone to step up and be a release valve when teams overload their defense against him.  Can Barnes be that number 2?  If Barnes can't, does he prevent us from getting someone who can?  Rather than calling him Jeff Green, I like to think of Barnes as Jerebko with (a lot) better defense.  But is that what we need?

On the plus side, he turned 24 two weeks ago, so it's easy to project further growth in his game.  Maybe he can step into that #2 role offensively on a team that needs him to do so.

[Sketch5]

GS can match any offer sheet for Barnes though, and they already said they would. They made it clear they want to keep this team together as is.

If thats the case, and if they are still wanting to go after Durant. I would definitely see DA offering Barnes the max forcing their hand and to kill their capspace getting rid of one of his competitions.

Worse case, we have Barnes at 20ish mill, but I'd rather have that than Love at almost 20 mill.

[slamtheking]

People who knock him for not putting up monster numbers seem to ignore the point that he's also been a key member of one of the greatest teams of all time.

Jeff Green has never had the kind of success that Barnes has enjoyed in GS. IMO unlike Green, Barnes' game is conducive to winning Basketball. Barnes is durable, can defend multiple positions, move the ball effectively and stretch the floor with his 3 ball. He'd fit our culture like a glove. He wouldn't need to give us 25 PPG, 17-19 PPG with all of his intangibles would be huge for this team.

I pretty much agree with this, and am on Team Barnes.

The one thing I will question, however is whether this team needs another super hybrid role-player, or really needs to get an alpha scorer (preferably one who isn't a defensive liability).  That's not meant to be a knock on Barnes -- I think he's incredibly versatile matchup wise, but he doesn't seem to be a guy who you can look to for a huge scoring night even occasionally.  We saw vs the Hawks that IT needed someone to step up and be a release valve when teams overload their defense against him.  Can Barnes be that number 2?  If Barnes can't, does he prevent us from getting someone who can?  Rather than calling him Jeff Green, I like to think of Barnes as Jerebko with (a lot) better defense.  But is that what we need?

On the plus side, he turned 24 two weeks ago, so it's easy to project further growth in his game.  Maybe he can step into that #2 role offensively on a team that needs him to do so.

I agree with your points about needing an alpha scorer.  I don't think Barnes is it.  not even close.  he'll frustrate fans even more than Green because he'll be getting paid well over double for less scoring

[Eddie20]

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-finals-free-agency-harrison-barnes-steve-kerr-joe-lacob-lakers-celtics/1wskapt7hsjb1j8quv6q4g4ap

Several teams with significant cap space this summer — the Celtics, Lakers, Suns, Mavericks among them — have the intention of pursuing Barnes, especially as a fallback option for Durant. Barnes is expected to receive and offer of at least $20 million per year or perhaps as much as a max offer starting at about $23 million.

How hard is it for NBA reporters to learn the maximum salary rules??? Barnes max would be around $21.6 million unless the cap jumps more than forecast, not $23 million.

Are you certain? Because this is what it says about the Whiteside situation:


• Though both the Heat and other teams can offer Whiteside a contract of no more than four years, the Heat (because it has his Early Bird rights but not his full Bird rights) can offer annual 7.5 percent raises over his first year salary, whereas other teams can offer only 4.5 percent annual raises, cap expert Larry Coon told us two weeks ago.

The first-year max salary for Whiteside will depend on the final cap number and could fall between $21.6 million (Coon’s estimate) and $23 million. If it’s $21.6 million, the Heat could offer Whiteside a four-year, $96.1 million contract; other teams could offer no more than $92 million over four years.

If it’s a $23 million first-year max, the Heat could offer $102.32 million over four years; others teams could offer no more than $98.17 million over four years.

[PhoSita]

Unlike Green, Barnes can actually shoot, defend, and compete for boards. He's much more similar to Marvin Williams.

[Granath]

Unlike Green, Barnes can actually shoot, defend, and compete for boards. He's much more similar to Marvin Williams.

And so can Crowder.

I've never quite understood the fascination with Barnes on this board. He's a nice piece without a doubt and I think he's a good player for anyone to have. But the Cs already have a guy who has very similar production, same role, is just as good defensively (if not better), a locker room leader and is only two years older for a LOT cheaper than Barnes would cost.

How many more wins would Barnes bring to the Celtics?

[Sixth Man]

Unlike Green, Barnes can actually shoot, defend, and compete for boards. He's much more similar to Marvin Williams.

And so can Crowder.

I've never quite understood the fascination with Barnes on this board. He's a nice piece without a doubt and I think he's a good player for anyone to have. But the Cs already have a guy who has very similar production, same role, is just as good defensively (if not better), a locker room leader and is only two years older for a LOT cheaper than Barnes would cost.

How many more wins would Barnes bring to the Celtics?

We'd be paying Barnes 3 times what we're paying Crowder (not to mention IT and AB). Given Barnes' demontrated talent level, would that work in the Celts' locker room? 

[spikelovetheCelts]

GS can match any offer sheet for Barnes though, and they already said they would. They made it clear they want to keep this team together as is.

If thats the case, and if they are still wanting to go after Durant. I would definitely see DA offering Barnes the max forcing their hand and to kill their capspace getting rid of one of his competitions.

Worse case, we have Barnes at 20ish mill, but I'd rather have that than Love at almost 20 mill.

Barnes wants to be alpha dog and GSW will do a sign and trade to get some assets. I say James young and 23 pick.

[mctyson]

Seems like speculation. I'd be surprised if Danny paid Barnes $20 million when he already has Crowder for ~$7m.

Of course it is.  He is a 'journalist' so he looked at all the teams with cap space and said "hey, they are interested!!"