no deals? Who are the move (nudge) the needle picks?

[wiley]

I think the majority of this board would like a big trade and a big signing.  I'd like Cousins (not Love). But the deal of our choice might not work out as we all know.  (I'd be happy to have Love but I don't think I'll like any deal at this point).
 
So this thread is not about who should be picked, though you can say who that is iyo.  It's about which players would do the most if thrown into the fire NEXT SEASON.  As an example, this thread is a chance to admit that while you may not like Hield, you're willing to admit that he might do more next year for the Celtics than any other player (that was just an example).  Another example would be to say that Jaylen Brown, with his defense, will allow for a mega Crowder trade and we'll be okay due to Brown's defense next year(not my opinion..just another example).

Most would probably agree that in a no-deals situation there will be very little expected from any players at #3 in terms of helping next year.  But this thread is throw light on the picks from that angle.


Move the needle next year players (among top 8 or 9 picks (you can include Poetl):
In order of impact next year:

-- Simmons (no explanation)

--  Dunn--I think Dunn is the BPA and should be Danny's pick, because I think he will have the most value in a trade if he's not being kept, and will be the most valuable player among the candidates at pick 3.  It's unfortunate that picking him would necessitate a trade, but I doubt Danny cares much about that.  As far as impact next year, I'm not sure.  I think he'll be a good player next year but will really start to shine in year 2 of his NBA career.  I have him and Buddy in a tie for impact on a team next year (playing time assumed).

-- Hield. Are there Murry fans out there who think Murry could add more than Hield in year #1? I have Hield tied with Dunn for most impact next year.

-- Murray.  My non-Dunn pick at pick 3.  Smart enough to get minutes next year and show off his shooting a bit.

-- Poetl.

-- Ingram. dream scenario he becomes a Celtic. Next part of dream is keep Ingram and trade for Cousins

-- Brown.  Minutes due to defense

-- Bender.  Sees a minute or three due to IQ.  Passing.

-- Chriss




PICK 16 help next year:

Taurean Prince. 
Sabonis
Valentine


Gutting our team of its excellent wing defenders for Kevin Love is my nightmare scenario. Gutting some of that defense and picks for Demarcus Cousins is my dream (realizing we probably have to give up pick 3 plus a lot of other good picks/players.  I'd have to see the deal before approving/dissapproving.  The recent trade of Cousins thread was nonsensical. 

[CoachBo]

I like your picks, Dunn in particular because it frees up a Smart trade - he will never shoot the ball well enough to help at the 2.

But ... I will consider failure to turn the 3 into immediate help a failed summer. We need players who can help immediately.

[PhoSita]

Looking to the draft to move the needle next season is foolhardy at best.

Take the best player available even if that means taking guys who won't contribute for a couple years. The "win now" players in the draft aren't likely to be better than replacement level in their first season or two in any case.

Improvement will have to come via trade, free agency, or development of players already on the team.

Basically, if Ainge can't swing a trade for a star, the Celts will likely have to depend on short term veteran stopgaps, again, to try and field a better team next season.

[wiley]

Looking to the draft to move the needle next season is foolhardy at best.

Take the best player available even if that means taking guys who won't contribute for a couple years. The "win now" players in the draft aren't likely to be better than replacement level in their first season or two in any case.

Improvement will have to come via trade, free agency, or development of players already on the team.

Basically, if Ainge can't swing a trade for a star, the Celts will likely have to depend on short term veteran stopgaps, again, to try and field a better team next season.

Yes I tried to make all that clear in the OP.  More of an exercise to see people who are anti this player or that give in a little... 

[Csfan1984]

I think the team has to consider a Pats draft. Basically move down pick up some picks but move up later.

I would absolutely take the Denver deal of 7, 15 and 19 for 3, 45, and 51. The team cast off a few seconds and still gets one of Murray, Heild, Bender, Brown, Dunn, or Chriss. Those guys seem very close in terms of value. My guess is the pick is Chriss.

Then see about trading Rozier, 15, 35, 58 picks to Bucks for 10. Bucks need a PG and Rozier is better than DJ imo. Get one of Peoltl, Davis, or Lab. My guess is Lab is the guy left on the board.

Trade JJ, 16, 23, and 31 to Magic for 11th pick. Magic could use a stretch 4 without long term commitments as Gordon develops. Again burn off some picks and the final 2nd rounder. Draft Baldwin, Korkmaz, or Luw. My guess is its Korkmaz.

At 19 take Jones, Zubac, or Sabonis. My guess it's Jones as Sabonis is more likely gone.

Results
7-Chriss PF,  10-Lab PF/C, 13-Korkmaz SG/SF, 19-Jones C.

Two top ten picks and all guys have upside of some skill, size, age and athleticism. And they all fit the roster needs of more shooting, athleticism and size.

IT/Smart
AB/Hunter/Korkmaz
Crowder/Turner/Young
AJ/Mickey/Chriss
KO/Lab/Jones

*I'd give Turner a nice AJ deal of 2 years 26 million the second year being a team option. He would allow Maz, Young and Hunter more development time.

Next year you have the ability to still sign two max guys again, still have Nets pick, you allowed the players to further develop. Team building takes time. The Warriors and Thunder weren't made in a year took multiple years of growth and player development.

[LooseCannon]

If you are looking for who can contribute the most next season, you're often looking at older, lower upside players.  Given how Stevens likes to develop players, the guys who will get the most playing time and have a chance of contributing are probably going to be those players who are the best fits defensively.