Jamal Murray. 79/100 threes

[mmmmm]

This may have been answered already in this thread (coming into it too late to read everything) but who set the 77/100 'record' that Murray broke?

Kyle Wiltjer

Ah ... so, does anyone think we should draft Wiltjer?  How high?

I think I said in this thread, and others about the draft, we should take Wiltjer in the second round.  He actually rebounded reasonably well if you consider that he played outside and Sabonis gobbled up a ton of rebounds for Gonzaga.  Yes Murray beat Wiltjer by two threes out of 100 but Wiltjer is 6-10 and shot almost 90% from the free throw line.  You have to take a chance on a guy like that.  Maybe he can be serviceable on defense.  If so you have a great floor stretcher for your second team.

Wiltjer isn't really an NBA prospect.  You've been trolled.  Certainly not anything more than a late 2nd round flier.  He's slow as molasses.

Yeah, my bad.  I should have used the sarcasm font.

[Mattybriand]

After Austin Ainge's comments doubt we are drafting Murray just a gut feeling

[tarheelsxxiii]

Is there a button I can press to report everyone in this thread to a moderator? I'm tired of you guys.

[PickNRoll]

Is there a button I can press to report everyone in this thread to a moderator? I'm tired of you guys.

Just click here: http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/

[tarheelsxxiii]

Is there a button I can press to report everyone in this thread to a moderator? I'm tired of you guys.

Just click here: http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/

That resulted in my child incidentally viewing pronography for the 4th time. If it was the better of my two kids (more upside), I'd be pretty upset, pal.

[ederson]

Bender has been extremely high on scout's radar for three years now, ever since he emerged as a 15 year old and especially so after he dominated in the European U18 tournament as a 16 year old.

"dominated" ?

He  was the best (or second best) player of the 3rd place winner Croatia and member of the all-tournament team ...
U18 2014
Bender (1997)                   29mpg 14ppg   10rpg   5 apg    33% 3p
Charalampopoulos (1997) 36mpg 18ppg   10rpg   3apg     38% 3p
Guven (1996)                    23mpg 14ppg   7rpg
Mussini (1996)                  29mpg  22ppg  4rpg     2apg      43% 3p
Korkmaz (1997)                20mpg  12ppg  3rpg     1.7apg   69% 3p
Sabonis(1996)                  29mpg  16ppg  12rpg   3.5apg
Arapovic(1996)                 25mpg  17ppg  8rpg     2.7apg   37% 3p


2012
Saric
33mpg
1st scorer 27p (the second scorer of the tournament scored 6ppg less)
2nd rebounder 10rpg
MVP
First place winner
That is domination

Bad choice of words on my part.  He "played rather well" specifically in key games in each round:
1st round
vs Lithuania (Domantas Sabonis): 34 points, 14 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 29 minutes.
2nd round
vs Latvia: 21 points, 17 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks in 33 minutes.
quarterfinal
vs Spain:  18 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 blocks in 27 minutes.
semifinal
vs Turkey:  10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 30 minutes (L)
bronze medal
vs Greece:  14 points, 9 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 block in 32 minutes

I've included the 'meh' game against host Turkey since that was the one loss.

Yes, his overall per-game numbers are more modest than these numbers indicate because the other 1st & 2nd round games were all blow-outs and he didn't need to do much to carry the team.  That brought his tournament per-game numbers down.

This was while Bender was 16 playing against mostly 18 year olds.

Ante Zizic was also on that same Croatian team.  The Lithuania vs Croatia game is notable because it has three bigs for this draft (Bender, Zizic and Sabonis) all in it.

I do agree that the way Saric played was real true domination.  I really wish we had somehow snagged his draft rights.

That imho suits better to the reality.....

I didn`t go that far to check individual games but he did have a a couple of impressive games (as far as stats show).

[PickNRoll]

Is there a button I can press to report everyone in this thread to a moderator? I'm tired of you guys.

Just click here: http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/

That resulted in my child incidentally viewing pronography for the 4th time. If it was the better of my two kids (more upside), I'd be pretty upset, pal.

What?!  Lakers blog has p0rn?  That's not true.  You shouldn't say stuff like that.  Posting that sort of link would be against the rules here.

[saltlover]

After Austin Ainge's comments doubt we are drafting Murray just a gut feeling

Austin Ainge seems to be going out of his way to say the Celtics would pick Kris Dunn.  In my opinion that's just to encourage teams to trade up for him.  We'll see what happens in two weeks.

[LarBrd33]

There's a decent track-record of Kentucky players having their games translate well to the NBA, right? 

Admittedly knowing very little about college ball, I'm most intrigued by Murray of our options at #3.  I like kids that can shoot and Murray looks like he can already shoot.  I get that Hield can as well, but that dude is an old man.  I could sell myself on Murray's long-term potential for growth.

Every year we seem to take these bricklayers who can't make shots and hope they develop a shot.  I'm tired of that.  I'd rather take a shooter who can't defend and hope they can develop some defensive skills.

[mctyson]

Shame he is a guard.

If he was European, enigmatic, and playing in an obscure overseas league he'd be the consensus top pick in the draft.

Not at 6'4" he wouldn't.  He'd be lower.

[chambers]

Hield isn't an elite NBA athlete, but he's a very good, well rounded athlete with some nice spring.

I still don't understand why people believe this is true. Everything I've seen about Hield shows that he uses what is practically a set shot -- and because he can't generate any lift, every attempt at going to the basket includes a lot of elusive maneuvering sideways.

This just isn't a good recipe for success in the NBA where players are bigger and more athletic, and defenses are more alert. Unless, of course, you're planning to be a Kyle Korver type and take 70% of your shots from three.

No lift?  Have you seen his put back jams or up and under layups? He's got very deceptive quickness and an ability to change speeds.
 His sidestepping isn't a huge part of his game but he uses it as anticipatory avoidance like Harden. He's the kind of player like Marcus Smart who doesn't have super speed, but has power and explosiveness when he needs to change gears- natural brute strengrh.

Again, not an elite NBA athlete, but a very good athlete with exceptional anticipation.

[mmmmm]

Bender has been extremely high on scout's radar for three years now, ever since he emerged as a 15 year old and especially so after he dominated in the European U18 tournament as a 16 year old.

"dominated" ?

He  was the best (or second best) player of the 3rd place winner Croatia and member of the all-tournament team ...
U18 2014
Bender (1997)                   29mpg 14ppg   10rpg   5 apg    33% 3p
Charalampopoulos (1997) 36mpg 18ppg   10rpg   3apg     38% 3p
Guven (1996)                    23mpg 14ppg   7rpg
Mussini (1996)                  29mpg  22ppg  4rpg     2apg      43% 3p
Korkmaz (1997)                20mpg  12ppg  3rpg     1.7apg   69% 3p
Sabonis(1996)                  29mpg  16ppg  12rpg   3.5apg
Arapovic(1996)                 25mpg  17ppg  8rpg     2.7apg   37% 3p


2012
Saric
33mpg
1st scorer 27p (the second scorer of the tournament scored 6ppg less)
2nd rebounder 10rpg
MVP
First place winner
That is domination

Bad choice of words on my part.  He "played rather well" specifically in key games in each round:
1st round
vs Lithuania (Domantas Sabonis): 34 points, 14 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 29 minutes.
2nd round
vs Latvia: 21 points, 17 rebounds, 9 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks in 33 minutes.
quarterfinal
vs Spain:  18 points, 11 rebounds, 3 assists, 4 blocks in 27 minutes.
semifinal
vs Turkey:  10 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks in 30 minutes (L)
bronze medal
vs Greece:  14 points, 9 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 block in 32 minutes

I've included the 'meh' game against host Turkey since that was the one loss.

Yes, his overall per-game numbers are more modest than these numbers indicate because the other 1st & 2nd round games were all blow-outs and he didn't need to do much to carry the team.  That brought his tournament per-game numbers down.

This was while Bender was 16 playing against mostly 18 year olds.

Ante Zizic was also on that same Croatian team.  The Lithuania vs Croatia game is notable because it has three bigs for this draft (Bender, Zizic and Sabonis) all in it.

I do agree that the way Saric played was real true domination.  I really wish we had somehow snagged his draft rights.

That imho suits better to the reality.....

I didn`t go that far to check individual games but he did have a a couple of impressive games (as far as stats show).

Well, those games are on youtube as well, so you can watch them.

The Croatia v Lithuania one is definitely worth watching.  Zizic (17 at the time) plays well in it too, especially early, which helps Croatia stay in contact as Sabonis' team leads going into the third.   Bender starts to assert his impact on the game in the 2nd period a little, but it's in the second half that he really takes off.

[chambers]

There's a decent track-record of Kentucky players having their games translate well to the NBA, right? 

Admittedly knowing very little about college ball, I'm most intrigued by Murray of our options at #3.  I like kids that can shoot and Murray looks like he can already shoot.  I get that Hield can as well, but that dude is an old man.  I could sell myself on Murray's long-term potential for growth.

Every year we seem to take these bricklayers who can't make shots and hope they develop a shot.  I'm tired of that.  I'd rather take a shooter who can't defend and hope they can develop some defensive skills.

I'm more worried about Murray's athleticism and length than Hield's age.
Hield is a better athlete, with better length.
I'm not sure how much Murrary can improve those things to become an elite scorer in the NBA.

You don't want another Fredette, but the only thing stopping you from calling Murray another Fredette is his age when you think about it...am I right?

[Sketch5]

There's a decent track-record of Kentucky players having their games translate well to the NBA, right? 

Admittedly knowing very little about college ball, I'm most intrigued by Murray of our options at #3.  I like kids that can shoot and Murray looks like he can already shoot.  I get that Hield can as well, but that dude is an old man.  I could sell myself on Murray's long-term potential for growth.

Every year we seem to take these bricklayers who can't make shots and hope they develop a shot.  I'm tired of that.  I'd rather take a shooter who can't defend and hope they can develop some defensive skills.

Some people question him as being an other James Young, but what has me interested is he's super competitive. One of the work outs they were doing 2 min 3pt shooting drills, he did two round of it, and the guy who he was working out with beat his score, so he went for an other round and beat that score. Some thing like 26 makes in 2 min.

Also with the C's work out he hit the 79 shots, but said he was off from the first two spots, and thought he could do better. Thats the kind of kid you want for the team.

[PickNRoll]

Hield isn't an elite NBA athlete, but he's a very good, well rounded athlete with some nice spring.

I still don't understand why people believe this is true. Everything I've seen about Hield shows that he uses what is practically a set shot -- and because he can't generate any lift, every attempt at going to the basket includes a lot of elusive maneuvering sideways.

This just isn't a good recipe for success in the NBA where players are bigger and more athletic, and defenses are more alert. Unless, of course, you're planning to be a Kyle Korver type and take 70% of your shots from three.

No lift?  Have you seen his put back jams or up and under layups? He's got very deceptive quickness and an ability to change speeds.
 His sidestepping isn't a huge part of his game but he uses it as anticipatory avoidance like Harden. He's the kind of player like Marcus Smart who doesn't have super speed, but has power and explosiveness when he needs to change gears- natural brute strengrh.

Again, not an elite NBA athlete, but a very good athlete with exceptional anticipation.

This is correct.  There's more than 1 way to create separation.

Who wants to compile a list of the last ~50 college freshman to score 20 a game?