Idea: Blockbuster Trade for Cousins

[slamtheking]

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins and Ben McLemore

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, 16, 23, 31, 35, 45, 51, 58, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18, Memphis '19

Assuming the Kings are unwilling to negotiate with the Lakers due to their rivalry, who could possibly trump this deal?

It's a king's ransom, but Cousins is poised to be the best center in the league the next 5-7 seasons, so it could take A LOT to pry him away from Vlade Divac...

I would pull the trigger, particularly if it could bring Durant to town. Even if Durant goes elsewhere, Smart can replace Bradley, we can re-sign Turner to start in place of Crowder, and then sign a couple Amir-like players to fill out the rest of the roster (while managing the cap in such a way that we'll be players in the 2017 offseason, too).

grotesque overpayment.  you've given up every trade asset we have so we have nothing left for any other trades to bring in other players.  You also gave up our starting SG and SF with no one of equal talent to step into their roles.  we're back in the lottery for years

[jmen788]

No way any GM pays that for Cousins. Not only are you giving up a lot of picks but also guys you need to win. We don't want a Kings 2.0 team. And no way a gutted C's team can draw KD after a trade like that one. It's more like

3, 16, 31, 2018 Nets 1st, Grizz 1st, JJ, AJ, Hunter, Rozier for Cousins and Casspi. That is almost five 1st still more than enough.
Draft Jones or Zubac at 23. Johnson for 35+45. Brogdon for 51+ 58
IT/Smart
AB/Brogdon/Young
KD/Crowder/Casspi
KO/Mickey/Johnson
Cousins/Jones

I would pee my pants in delight if that trade happened... but it won't. Kings don't get enough. We get Cousins AND CASSPI (great underrated player who is a great shooter) and they get the 3 this year and a 2018 pick that may not be that great, and they don't get any of Bradley, Crowder or Smart... I think we'd have to give up at least one of those guys.

[Granath]

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins and Ben McLemore

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, 16, 23, 31, 35, 45, 51, 58, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18, Memphis '19

Assuming the Kings are unwilling to negotiate with the Lakers due to their rivalry, who could possibly trump this deal?

It's a king's ransom, but Cousins is poised to be the best center in the league the next 5-7 seasons, so it could take A LOT to pry him away from Vlade Divac...

*facepalm*

Words fail me

[Csfan1984]

No way any GM pays that for Cousins. Not only are you giving up a lot of picks but also guys you need to win. We don't want a Kings 2.0 team. And no way a gutted C's team can draw KD after a trade like that one. It's more like

3, 16, 31, 2018 Nets 1st, Grizz 1st, JJ, AJ, Hunter, Rozier for Cousins and Casspi. That is almost five 1st still more than enough.
Draft Jones or Zubac at 23. Johnson for 35+45. Brogdon for 51+ 58
IT/Smart
AB/Brogdon/Young
KD/Crowder/Casspi
KO/Mickey/Johnson
Cousins/Jones

I would pee my pants in delight if that trade happened... but it won't. Kings don't get enough. We get Cousins AND CASSPI (great underrated player who is a great shooter) and they get the 3 this year and a 2018 pick that may not be that great, and they don't get any of Bradley, Crowder or Smart... I think we'd have to give up at least one of those guys.

Casspi is simply an okay player. You are under selling the players going and the other picks. They have value to.

[Roy H.]

I love Boogie, but what's the sense of a deal that turns us into Sactown East?

[Chief Macho]

Sure, why not. Its the only way we are getting a star.

[meangreenmachine]

I may be utterly wrong (it would not be the first or last time!), but I am not convinced it is enough to land Cousins, the best center in the league and a top 10 NBA player who is only 25. Who wants to propose the trade on a Kings' forum to gauge the response of their most rabid fans?

Would some of you change your vote if the trade was as follows:

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18

[Csfan1984]

I may be utterly wrong (it would not be the first or last time!), but I am not convinced it is enough to land Cousins, the best center in the league and a top 10 NBA player who is only 25. Who wants to propose the trade on a Kings' forum to gauge the response of their most rabid fans?

Would some of you change your vote if the trade was as follows:

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18

Not happening that is an over pay what has Cousins done for the king's?  And where would an overpay leave the C's? There is no way C's over pay to that level for Cousins.

[meangreenmachine]

I may be utterly wrong (it would not be the first or last time!), but I am not convinced it is enough to land Cousins, the best center in the league and a top 10 NBA player who is only 25. Who wants to propose the trade on a Kings' forum to gauge the response of their most rabid fans?

Would some of you change your vote if the trade was as follows:

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18

Not happening that is an over pay what has Cousins done for the king's?  And where would an overpay leave the C's? There is no way C's over pay to that level for Cousins.

Cousins is on the most dysfunctional franchise in the league, so it's not fair to blame him for their woes in the west. As it stands right now, It's only an overpay if Brooklyn '17 and Brooklyn '18 both end up being top five picks. Even then, it's only an overpay if the players drafted in those slots become VERY good players, if not all-stars.

Boogie is the consensus top center in the league. He's only 25 and few would argue he does not belong on the list of the top ten players in the NBA. You obviously do not get a player like that for nothing. As much as we like Jae Crowder and Amir Johnson, they are VERY replaceable in free agency (admittedly, Crowder's contract relative to his play is tough to replicate, but that is what makes him a valuable trading piece). As much as we like Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart is poised to replace him in the near-future. Olynyk is destined to be a role-player. The third overall pick in this draft is nowhere near as valuable as many third overall picks in the past. Lastly, there is no guarantee the remaining Brooklyn picks will be top lottery picks given the nature of the Eastern Conference...

Vlade Divac is not going to trade his superstar unless you make an attractive offer. Otherwise, he will look at more attractive offers from others who are willing to outbid us. Fortunately for us, we are the only ones that can offer a top lottery pick and two picks which are perceived as having a decent (but not guaranteed) chance of being top lottery picks. Throw in the best defensive shooting guard in the league (who also happens to get along with Rondo, who the Kings are probably bringing back as their PG), a respectable starting small forward on a great contract, and two other respectable front-court guys, and Vlade might just bite. He just might.

[sdceltsfan]

I'm probably one of the biggest Cousins fans on this forum, and I laughed about half way through looking down the line of this trade offer.

Our 60-80% of our starting lineup, our entire 2016 draft stock, and every possible piece we would need to draft guys good enough to make this team a true contender.

Bringing in Cousins alone, will not put this team over the top. No Free Agents will sign here, knowing we have no ways to further improve the team. It's almost equivalent to what BKN did to destroy their franchise, granted Cousins is more in his prime at this point, where KG/PP were in their twilight.


The most I would offer for Cousins would be #3, #16, #23, Bradley, KO. Trading for Cousins is probably enough to convince a guy like Horford or Ryan Andersen to sign. We have a solid 8 man rotation, with some quality youth pieces. If it doesn't put us over the top, we still have the BKN picks in following drafts to build around a core of IT, Smart, Crowder, Cousins.

Even that is a lot for one player, not named Lebron, Curry, Durant. If Cousins had the attitude and drive that Curry or KD did, I would offer the moon, but then, in reality, he wouldn't even be available in trade talks anyway.

[meangreenmachine]

Our 60-80% of our starting lineup,

This is a starting lineup that needs to improve anyway:

Bradley is poised to be replaced by Smart in the near-future and Bradley's value is at an all-time high right now, so now is the time to cash in. McLemore is a young guy who could blossom into sixth man of the year, so it makes more sense having him come off the bench rather than Smart. Our back-court would be worse this year than last, but come 2017-2018 it could be nearly as good. By 2018-2019, particularly if Hunter or Rozier develops, maybe even better.

Olynyk should NOT be our starter and will never be more than a role-player in this league. Obviously going from Olynyk to Cousins is a dramatic improvement of astronomical proportions.

Johnson was not even a starter in 2014-2015. Yeah, he helped us move from 8th to 5th, but the end result was basically the same. He is easily replaceable in free agency (for example, Jordan Hill).

As much as we love Crowder, he can be replaced in free agency. Would anybody care if we traded Crowder if we ended up with Durant this offseason? I think giving up Crowder and bringing back Turner would not be as much of a drop as some people perceive.

our entire 2016 draft stock, and every possible piece we would need to draft guys good enough to make this team a true contender.

There is no guarantee we will be able to draft guys good enough to make this team a contender in the future. Dating back to the formation of the Big Three, here is our drafting record:

Good Picks: Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart
Meh Picks: Sully and Olynyk
Garbage Picks: Everyone else (excluding 2015, which is too early to call)

As much as I love thinking about all of the great players we could potentially draft, our draft record scares me and I would give up all of draft picks this year, along with our top pick in each of the next three years, if it guaranteed securing the best center in the league, who is poised to be absolutely dominant the next 5-8 years on a team with a good coach.

The most I would offer for Cousins would be #3, #16, #23, Bradley, KO.

Go propose that trade on a Kings' forum and see their reaction. What would we have done if instead of trading for Garnett and Allen, Danny had traded Paul Pierce for #3, #16, #23, a good defensive guard and a roleplayer center? Kings' fans would have Vlade's head if he accepted the above trade.

For this trade to occur, both sides have to find it mutually beneficial. If we want a top ten NBA player, it's going to cost.

[guava_wrench]

It would have to be a draft day deal since we can't trade all our firsts this year and our first for next year.

That trade is really going on in on free agency. With KD being an unlikely pickup, who are we hoping to get to pair with Cousins? The trade isn't worth it without free agent pickups.

[meangreenmachine]

It would have to be a draft day deal since we can't trade all our firsts this year and our first for next year.

That trade is really going on in on free agency. With KD being an unlikely pickup, who are we hoping to get to pair with Cousins? The trade isn't worth it without free agent pickups.

If we can't get Durant this offseason, we try again next summer. In the meantime, add a couple veterans this offseason to 1+1's like we did with Amir last offseason. We could conceivably move into the second seed, fall short to Cleveland, and be poised for a big offseason next summer.

[makaveli]

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins and Ben McLemore

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, 16, 23, 31, 35, 45, 51, 58, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18, Memphis '19

Assuming the Kings are unwilling to negotiate with the Lakers due to their rivalry, who could possibly trump this deal?

It's a king's ransom, but Cousins is poised to be the best center in the league the next 5-7 seasons, so it could take A LOT to pry him away from Vlade Divac...

I would pull the trigger, particularly if it could bring Durant to town. Even if Durant goes elsewhere, Smart can replace Bradley, we can re-sign Turner to start in place of Crowder, and then sign a couple Amir-like players to fill out the rest of the roster (while managing the cap in such a way that we'll be players in the 2017 offseason, too).

lol

[Timdawgg]

I may be utterly wrong (it would not be the first or last time!), but I am not convinced it is enough to land Cousins, the best center in the league and a top 10 NBA player who is only 25. Who wants to propose the trade on a Kings' forum to gauge the response of their most rabid fans?

Would some of you change your vote if the trade was as follows:

To Boston: DeMarcus Cousins

To Sacramento: Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder, Amir Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, 3, Brooklyn '17, Brooklyn '18

That is slightly more reasonable but I don't think Sacramento are viable trade partners. I think you might be right in that Sacramento still might say your first proposal is not enough. But I would in no way ever consider that if I was the Celtics. Even your second offer is probably too much from Boston's perspective.

Take out one of the following 3 items from your second offer and I think that would be fair. Take out either Bradley, Crowder or 1 of the Brooklyn Picks.. Again, Sacramento does not do either of your deals period unless Cousins does something like shoots someone over the summer.