Rumor: J Butler to the Celtics in blockbuster being considered by Bulls

[Timdawgg]

Was I the source....http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84596.msg2089077#msg2089077

LOL!!!

I still think we trade #3 & #16 + Bradley, Jerebko  to Bulls for Butler and #14.  It almost seems perfect especially if the Bulls really like someone at #3

[jpotter33]

1) I'm not a capologist but I'll do my best and would appreciate any additions or corrections from knowledgeable nontrolls.

2) We trade for Butler and max Durant and Horford.

3) Our four stars (Thomas plus the three new guys) would be approximately $76 million of the probable $92 million cap.

4) The trade for Butler would be Crowder, Bradley, Young and #3. This is an overpay but allows you to get Horford and Durant here. The cap situation probably won't allow you to keep either Bradley or Crowder.

5) We have to let Johnson, Jerebko, Turner, Sullinger, Zeller, and Holland (bet you forgot about him) just walk.

6) That would leave about $11 million left in guaranteed salary: Smart, Olynyk, Hunter, Rozier, and Mickey. This would give us 9 total players for $87 million and $5 million left to sign draft choices and fill out the roster with minimum wage guys. If that's not enough we can always move someone like Olynyk for a future draft choice, though I prefer not to.

7) The cap will go up again next year which will allow us to fill out our rotation with some veterans plus Brooklyn 2017.

This is, of course, based on the idea that Durant would come here if Butler and Horford are brought in. That idea may be entirely false. 

I've worked it out where you can get away with it just being one of Bradley/Crowder, Rozier, Hunter, and Young after signing Durant and Horford with capspace, though that'd assume that Durant would be okay as a small-ball 4 here.

[LarBrd33]

1) I'm not a capologist but I'll do my best and would appreciate any additions or corrections from knowledgeable nontrolls.

2) We trade for Butler and max Durant and Horford.

3) Our four stars (Thomas plus the three new guys) would be approximately $76 million of the probable $92 million cap.

4) The trade for Butler would be Crowder, Bradley, Young and #3. This is an overpay but allows you to get Horford and Durant here. The cap situation probably won't allow you to keep either Bradley or Crowder.

5) We have to let Johnson, Jerebko, Turner, Sullinger, Zeller, and Holland (bet you forgot about him) just walk.

6) That would leave about $11 million left in guaranteed salary: Smart, Olynyk, Hunter, Rozier, and Mickey. This would give us 9 total players for $87 million and $5 million left to sign draft choices and fill out the roster with minimum wage guys. If that's not enough we can always move someone like Olynyk for a future draft choice, though I prefer not to.

7) The cap will go up again next year which will allow us to fill out our rotation with some veterans plus Brooklyn 2017.

This is, of course, based on the idea that Durant would come here if Butler and Horford are brought in. That idea may be entirely false. 

I've worked it out where you can get away with it just being one of Bradley/Crowder, Rozier, Hunter, and Young after signing Durant and Horford with capspace, though that'd assume that Durant would be okay as a small-ball 4 here.

FYI, I just looked at what the salary situation would be if we did the "rumored" (not actually rumored, but just a trade idea someone came up with on bleacherreport) Jimmy Butler deal. 

The trade idea has us giving up Bradley, Jerebko, Rozier, #3 and #16

It actually would make sense.  You kind of need to include Bradley in such a deal, because he makes more money than anyone on the team (8+ mil) and you'd have to match salary to preserve max cap space.   

Here's what the salary situation would look like afterwards:



So this deal would leave us with roughly 50 mil in cap space.  With max contracts 25 mil each, we'd be able to bring in Durant and Horford.

But you'd have to renounce the rights to Zeller, Sully, Amir, and Evan Turner.   

So really, you're losing #3, #16, Bradley, Rozier, Jerebko, Zeller, Sully, Amir and Turner.  A lot of those guys played significant roles for this team and who knows how good #3 and #16 could end up being.

You're potentially gaining Butler, Durant and Horford.

Obviously, it makes us a better team.   PG - Thomas/Smart, SG - Butler, SF - Durant, PF - Crowder, C - Horford

Nobody is going to be disappointed at that, obviously.   Just be prepared to say goodbye to a lot of familiar faces and some "what-if" draft picks in the process.   

It's 100% worth it if it results in Kevin Durant. 

[SHAQATTACK]

Just do it already.

[LarBrd33]

FYI in Chad Ford/Kevin Pelton's latest insider article, Ford suggests Boston trade The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.

You guys still on board with that?

[celticsclay]

FYI in Chad Ford/Kevin Pelton's latest insider article, Ford suggests Boston trade The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.

You guys still on board with that?

I am not (but that also just seemed like a random idea rather than an actual rumor). Also it is not a trade that makes a whole lot of sense for either team. They can't play rose and IT together, really at all. It seems like Crowder or Bradley and the number 3 for Butler would make more sense for both teams.

[CelticSooner]

FYI in Chad Ford/Kevin Pelton's latest insider article, Ford suggests Boston trade The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.

You guys still on board with that?

Is Durant coming? If not no

[LarBrd33]

FYI in Chad Ford/Kevin Pelton's latest insider article, Ford suggests Boston trade The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.

You guys still on board with that?

I am not (but that also just seemed like a random idea rather than an actual rumor). Also it is not a trade that makes a whole lot of sense for either team. They can't play rose and IT together, really at all. It seems like Crowder or Bradley and the number 3 for Butler would make more sense for both teams.

Same article in which Kevin Pelton said "Jusuf Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft is probably reasonable value."

I'm starting to get the sense our options at #3 are pretty underwhelming.  Everyone seems to be saying there is nobody with star potential once Simmons and Ingram are off the board.  Nurkic is ok, but the dude had a pretty bad injury and was the #16 pick back in 2014.  Rough. 

[celticsclay]

FYI in Chad Ford/Kevin Pelton's latest insider article, Ford suggests Boston trade The No. 3 pick, Isaiah Thomas and Jonas Jerebko for Jimmy Butler.

You guys still on board with that?

I am not (but that also just seemed like a random idea rather than an actual rumor). Also it is not a trade that makes a whole lot of sense for either team. They can't play rose and IT together, really at all. It seems like Crowder or Bradley and the number 3 for Butler would make more sense for both teams.

Same article in which Kevin Pelton said "Jusuf Nurkic for the No. 3 in a down draft is probably reasonable value."

I'm starting to get the sense our options at #3 are pretty underwhelming.  Everyone seems to be saying there is nobody with star potential once Simmons and Ingram are off the board.  Nurkic is ok, but the dude had a pretty bad injury and was the #16 pick back in 2014.  Rough.

I believe Pelton said Okafor was the 8th best rookie this year so surprised you take his opinion seriously on this but not that. The Nurkic idea seemed to be completely a hypothetical idea from Pelton like thinking out loud at the bar. I wouldn't worry about that much as having any real insight or meaning. Obviously I would be bummed with that trade

[Rondo2287]

1) I'm not a capologist but I'll do my best and would appreciate any additions or corrections from knowledgeable nontrolls.

2) We trade for Butler and max Durant and Horford.

3) Our four stars (Thomas plus the three new guys) would be approximately $76 million of the probable $92 million cap.

4) The trade for Butler would be Crowder, Bradley, Young and #3. This is an overpay but allows you to get Horford and Durant here. The cap situation probably won't allow you to keep either Bradley or Crowder.

5) We have to let Johnson, Jerebko, Turner, Sullinger, Zeller, and Holland (bet you forgot about him) just walk.

6) That would leave about $11 million left in guaranteed salary: Smart, Olynyk, Hunter, Rozier, and Mickey. This would give us 9 total players for $87 million and $5 million left to sign draft choices and fill out the roster with minimum wage guys. If that's not enough we can always move someone like Olynyk for a future draft choice, though I prefer not to.

7) The cap will go up again next year which will allow us to fill out our rotation with some veterans plus Brooklyn 2017.

This is, of course, based on the idea that Durant would come here if Butler and Horford are brought in. That idea may be entirely false. 

I've worked it out where you can get away with it just being one of Bradley/Crowder, Rozier, Hunter, and Young after signing Durant and Horford with capspace, though that'd assume that Durant would be okay as a small-ball 4 here.

FYI, I just looked at what the salary situation would be if we did the "rumored" (not actually rumored, but just a trade idea someone came up with on bleacherreport) Jimmy Butler deal. 

The trade idea has us giving up Bradley, Jerebko, Rozier, #3 and #16

It actually would make sense.  You kind of need to include Bradley in such a deal, because he makes more money than anyone on the team (8+ mil) and you'd have to match salary to preserve max cap space.   

Here's what the salary situation would look like afterwards:



So this deal would leave us with roughly 50 mil in cap space.  With max contracts 25 mil each, we'd be able to bring in Durant and Horford.

But you'd have to renounce the rights to Zeller, Sully, Amir, and Evan Turner.   

So really, you're losing #3, #16, Bradley, Rozier, Jerebko, Zeller, Sully, Amir and Turner.  A lot of those guys played significant roles for this team and who knows how good #3 and #16 could end up being.

You're potentially gaining Butler, Durant and Horford.

Obviously, it makes us a better team.   PG - Thomas/Smart, SG - Butler, SF - Durant, PF - Crowder, C - Horford

Nobody is going to be disappointed at that, obviously.   Just be prepared to say goodbye to a lot of familiar faces and some "what-if" draft picks in the process.   

It's 100% worth it if it results in Kevin Durant.

Excellent post, thanks for doing the legwork here.  TP