Rumor: J Butler to the Celtics in blockbuster being considered by Bulls

[crimson_stallion]

Let's trade the best shooter on the team for a better version of MSmart?

Smell the coffee!

Yes, Butler would be an upgrade but not at the expense of AB.

A better version of Marcus Smart?

21 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 45% FG, 31% 3PT (but he's shot 38%+ twice), 83% FT.

Somehow that is equated to "a better version of Marcus Smart"?

This board just gets funnier and funnier, honestly.

Marcus Smart is a defensive role player who can somewhat partially hold his own as a passer and ball handler.  Butler is a top 15 scorer who can shoot, rebound, pass and defend at an outstanding level for his position - he does everything. 

Calling Butler a better version of Marcus Smart is like calling James Harden a better version of Marcus Thornton,  or calling Steph Curry a better version of Eddie House.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Weak rumor on RealGM board...Clipper fan says C's offered 3rd Pick for Jordan.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1440947&start=560

[LarBrd33]

you know, maybe that Butler trade would work out for us... but it also has the potential to be one of the worst trades in history depending on what the #3 ends up and how good Butler actually is.  Right now, I see him as a borderline all-star.  31% shooting from three isn't very encouraging.

[TheSundanceKid]

Let's trade the best shooter on the team for a better version of MSmart?

Smell the coffee!

Yes, Butler would be an upgrade but not at the expense of AB.

A better version of Marcus Smart?

21 points, 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 45% FG, 31% 3PT (but he's shot 38%+ twice), 83% FT.

Somehow that is equated to "a better version of Marcus Smart"?

This board just gets funnier and funnier, honestly.

Marcus Smart is a defensive role player who can somewhat partially hold his own as a passer and ball handler.  Butler is a top 15 scorer who can shoot, rebound, pass and defend at an outstanding level for his position - he does everything. 

Calling Butler a better version of Marcus Smart is like calling James Harden a better version of Marcus Thornton,  or calling Steph Curry a better version of Eddie House.

To be fair to him there are similarities. Obviously Smart is not the player that Butler is today. However compare their sophomore years in the NBA and they aren't too dissimilar. It might be a leap of faith to say that Smart will make the jump Butler did over the next two years but then it is probably worth remembering that Smart has half a decade to reach the level Butler is at now before he reaches Butler's current age

[iadera]

As time passes by and the more I read about potential trades, I think I'll say: Let's keep this no.3. The chances to have an All-Star in trade for no.3 are weak. We can probably get only a player that is at least same level as the potential no.3, but probably older player. Hardly better then that. So, gimme no.3!

[rickyfan3.0...]

I really don't want to give up AB in the deal. I want AB and JB starting together.

Besides, this article seems like Clickbait.

[rickyfan3.0...]

Isn't the Rumor that we almost did a deal for JB at the deadline but we wouldn't trade Smart?

[kozlodoev]

Isn't the Rumor that we almost did a deal for JB at the deadline but we wouldn't trade Smart?

No.

[trickybilly]

you know, maybe that Butler trade would work out for us... but it also has the potential to be one of the worst trades in history depending on what the #3 ends up and how good Butler actually is.  Right now, I see him as a borderline all-star.  31% shooting from three isn't very encouraging.

Exactly. I'd love to see some advanced nerds get into Jimmy. The "önly if Durant wants him" thing is the only consideration here

[loco_91]

you know, maybe that Butler trade would work out for us... but it also has the potential to be one of the worst trades in history depending on what the #3 ends up and how good Butler actually is.  Right now, I see him as a borderline all-star.  31% shooting from three isn't very encouraging.

Exactly. I'd love to see some advanced nerds get into Jimmy. The "önly if Durant wants him" thing is the only consideration here

His advanced stats are very good, and they make him out as a top-20 but not top-10 player. They were especially great in 2014-15, when he posted .214WS/40 and a 4.2 VORP. This year he posted .177 and 3.7. These numbers are better than Klay Thompson (.144, 1.8 this year), Demar Derozan (career-best .169, 2.4), or Dwyane Wade (.105, 1.6). But he isn't on the level of a true superstar like Chris Paul (.249, 6.0) or James Harden (.204, 6.9).

[Ilikesports17]

you know, maybe that Butler trade would work out for us... but it also has the potential to be one of the worst trades in history depending on what the #3 ends up and how good Butler actually is.  Right now, I see him as a borderline all-star.  31% shooting from three isn't very encouraging.

Exactly. I'd love to see some advanced nerds get into Jimmy. The "önly if Durant wants him" thing is the only consideration here

After a brief glance at Butlers advanced stats, they seem to be pretty complimentary of Butler.

Jimmy was 19th in O-rating, 12th in offensive win-shares, 20th in both win shares and win shares per 48 16th in BPM 14th in OBPM and 15th in VORP. Thats just what I got from scanning the league leaders page. Context always matters with these stats so you cant read too much into them without examining the situations, but my initial reading is that advanced stats like Jimmy.

Especially because in 2015 he was 6th in O-rating, Offensive Win shares, and win shares, 14th in BPM, 11th in OBPM, and 12th in the league in VORP.

Again, just listing out those stats doesnt mean a ton, but advanced stats seem to be A OK with Jimmy Butler.

[jbarnies]

I really like Jimmy but that seems like a bit much, and as someone else said, I don't want to give up AB. I'd much rather give up Crowder (and I LOVE Crowder). Butler isn't a great shooter so we still have that issue. Trading AB hurts that even more; Crowder, not so much.

[boscel33]

Thoughts?

http://windycityhoops.com/trade-proposal-sending-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-pending/

I would.pull the trigger in this... leaves cap space for another star.

I think it's too much and wouldn't do it from a C's perspective.

[Irish Stew]

1) I'm not a capologist but I'll do my best and would appreciate any additions or corrections from knowledgeable nontrolls.

2) We trade for Butler and max Durant and Horford.

3) Our four stars (Thomas plus the three new guys) would be approximately $76 million of the probable $92 million cap.

4) The trade for Butler would be Crowder, Bradley, Young and #3. This is an overpay but allows you to get Horford and Durant here. The cap situation probably won't allow you to keep either Bradley or Crowder.

5) We have to let Johnson, Jerebko, Turner, Sullinger, Zeller, and Holland (bet you forgot about him) just walk.

6) That would leave about $11 million left in guaranteed salary: Smart, Olynyk, Hunter, Rozier, and Mickey. This would give us 9 total players for $87 million and $5 million left to sign draft choices and fill out the roster with minimum wage guys. If that's not enough we can always move someone like Olynyk for a future draft choice, though I prefer not to.

7) The cap will go up again next year which will allow us to fill out our rotation with some veterans plus Brooklyn 2017.

This is, of course, based on the idea that Durant would come here if Butler and Horford are brought in. That idea may be entirely false. 

[wiley]

Thoughts?

http://windycityhoops.com/trade-proposal-sending-jimmy-butler-boston-celtics-pending/

I would.pull the trigger in this... leaves cap space for another star.

I think it's too much and wouldn't do it from a C's perspective.

It's way too much. There is giving to get and then there is shooting oneself in the foot.  This is shooting oneself in the foot for a year or so of good nurse attention followed by a lifetime of limping.