Article: Noel for Teague is a bad deal

[loco_91]

This is an interesting article that makes some great broader points, not just relating to this particular trade rumor. The punchline:
1. Teague's expiring contract + age limits his value, especially to the Sixers
2. Noel is really, really, really good.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

If Philly is seriously considering this trade, I think we should try to out-bid Atlanta. A package centered around AB might get it done.

[saltlover]

It's been my opinion for awhile that Noel is overvalued as a trade piece.  Is he better than Hassan Whiteside?  Do you want to pay him $25 million in 2017?  If you don't, do you think someone else will want to?

At the same time, Philly needs a PG who knows how to run an offense.  They need someone who can get the ball to Okafor and Embiid in positions that will allow them to score, and not 10-15 feet from the basket in a face-up situation.  With two interior players, or three with Simmons, they need that PG to be a threat shooting the ball from deep to keep some amount of spacing on offense.

If Teague walks in a year, it'd be a bad deal.  But what if Team Colangelo is able to convince Jeff Teague to buy into the Sixers, and extends him this summer?  Now you've got the very good PG you need, who can make sure your young guys develop properly, being given the ball in situations they can handle, as opposed to developing bad habits because they never get the ball where they need to, and because winning is never a goal.

And if Okafor or Simmons or Embiid take a quick step towards stardom, now you've got a veteran like Teague there to help recruit a free agent next summer.  And since Hinkie did a nice job of getting a pick swap with Sacramento next season, they can try to start winning now, and potentially still wind up at the top of the lottery.  That team's goal should be to win 30 games this year.  They don't need to be special, but they do need to stop being the laughingstock.

[CoachBo]

Age-wise and contract-wise, Teague doesn't fit.

They need a younger PG who can grow with Noel, Simmons, Embiid, etc.

They need Kris Dunn.

At 3.

[sofutomygaha]

The 6ers don't need to trade assets to get a decent, mid-career point guard, if that is what they truly think they need (it isn't. at all.). Mike Conley, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Clarkson, Jeremy Lin, Deron Williams, and Brandon Jennings are all free agents, demand is low, and the 76ers have no salary commitments whatsoever.

This story doesn't add up at all.

[Moranis]

Trade doesn't make sense, now if they end up sending Jeff Teague somewhere else in a 3 team trade, it might make more sense.  You know like Burke and Burks from the Jazz which was rumored at the deadline.  That would give the Sixers a 23 year old PG and a 24 year old SG, who each have shown some promise.  Maybe they can even finagle a future 1st or some other asset out of the trade as a result of the injuries.

[dreamgreen]

This is an interesting article that makes some great broader points, not just relating to this particular trade rumor. The punchline:
1. Teague's expiring contract + age limits his value, especially to the Sixers
2. Noel is really, really, really good.

http://www.phillymag.com/news/2016/06/03/dissecting-the-jeff-teague-for-nerlens-noel-rumor/

If Philly is seriously considering this trade, I think we should try to out-bid Atlanta. A package centered around AB might get it done.

I like the kid but there is no evidence of that.

[Ilikesports17]

Trade doesn't make sense, now if they end up sending Jeff Teague somewhere else in a 3 team trade, it might make more sense.  You know like Burke and Burks from the Jazz which was rumored at the deadline.  That would give the Sixers a 23 year old PG and a 24 year old SG, who each have shown some promise.  Maybe they can even finagle a future 1st or some other asset out of the trade as a result of the injuries.

Noel for Burke and burks would be tremendously disappointing in my opinion.

Id rather risk Teague walking in FA than settle for Burke and Burks

[Geo123]

The 6ers don't need to trade assets to get a decent, mid-career point guard, if that is what they truly think they need (it isn't. at all.). Mike Conley, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Clarkson, Jeremy Lin, Deron Williams, and Brandon Jennings are all free agents, demand is low, and the 76ers have no salary commitments whatsoever.

This story doesn't add up at all.

Teague is a LOT BETTER than a decent, mid-career PG.   

[Lucky17]

It's been my opinion for awhile that Noel is overvalued as a trade piece.  Is he better than Hassan Whiteside?  Do you want to pay him $25 million in 2017?  If you don't, do you think someone else will want to?

At the same time, Philly needs a PG who knows how to run an offense.  They need someone who can get the ball to Okafor and Embiid in positions that will allow them to score, and not 10-15 feet from the basket in a face-up situation.  With two interior players, or three with Simmons, they need that PG to be a threat shooting the ball from deep to keep some amount of spacing on offense.

If Teague walks in a year, it'd be a bad deal.  But what if Team Colangelo is able to convince Jeff Teague to buy into the Sixers, and extends him this summer?  Now you've got the very good PG you need, who can make sure your young guys develop properly, being given the ball in situations they can handle, as opposed to developing bad habits because they never get the ball where they need to, and because winning is never a goal.

And if Okafor or Simmons or Embiid take a quick step towards stardom, now you've got a veteran like Teague there to help recruit a free agent next summer.  And since Hinkie did a nice job of getting a pick swap with Sacramento next season, they can try to start winning now, and potentially still wind up at the top of the lottery.  That team's goal should be to win 30 games this year.  They don't need to be special, but they do need to stop being the laughingstock.

SL, wouldn't an extension of Teague's current contract be based on his current $8 mil salary, with maximum increases based off that number? In other words, nowhere close to max level? Or can PHI use cap space to offer whatever they want?

[Ilikesports17]

The 6ers don't need to trade assets to get a decent, mid-career point guard, if that is what they truly think they need (it isn't. at all.). Mike Conley, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Clarkson, Jeremy Lin, Deron Williams, and Brandon Jennings are all free agents, demand is low, and the 76ers have no salary commitments whatsoever.

This story doesn't add up at all.

Teague is a LOT BETTER than a decent, mid-career PG.

teague is a notch above all those guys with the lone exception probably being Conley who he is probably about in line with. However he is not a LOT BETTER

[colincb]

It's a decent deal and if anything is in ATL's favor.

[jambr380]

The 6ers don't need to trade assets to get a decent, mid-career point guard, if that is what they truly think they need (it isn't. at all.). Mike Conley, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Clarkson, Jeremy Lin, Deron Williams, and Brandon Jennings are all free agents, demand is low, and the 76ers have no salary commitments whatsoever.

This story doesn't add up at all.

TP - FA is loaded with decent PGs all possibly looking for a bigger role. Philly can spend as much as they want on any of them. Conley is probably a stretch, but someone like Rondo would be a tremendous upgrade and talk about getting the ball to guys in the right spots. They aren't likely going to contend in the near future and Rondo would love a big contract and a featured role.

The fit with Simmons might not be wonderful, but then trade Noel for a lights-out shooter instead.

[saltlover]

It's been my opinion for awhile that Noel is overvalued as a trade piece.  Is he better than Hassan Whiteside?  Do you want to pay him $25 million in 2017?  If you don't, do you think someone else will want to?

At the same time, Philly needs a PG who knows how to run an offense.  They need someone who can get the ball to Okafor and Embiid in positions that will allow them to score, and not 10-15 feet from the basket in a face-up situation.  With two interior players, or three with Simmons, they need that PG to be a threat shooting the ball from deep to keep some amount of spacing on offense.

If Teague walks in a year, it'd be a bad deal.  But what if Team Colangelo is able to convince Jeff Teague to buy into the Sixers, and extends him this summer?  Now you've got the very good PG you need, who can make sure your young guys develop properly, being given the ball in situations they can handle, as opposed to developing bad habits because they never get the ball where they need to, and because winning is never a goal.

And if Okafor or Simmons or Embiid take a quick step towards stardom, now you've got a veteran like Teague there to help recruit a free agent next summer.  And since Hinkie did a nice job of getting a pick swap with Sacramento next season, they can try to start winning now, and potentially still wind up at the top of the lottery.  That team's goal should be to win 30 games this year.  They don't need to be special, but they do need to stop being the laughingstock.

SL, wouldn't an extension of Teague's current contract be based on his current $8 mil salary, with maximum increases based off that number? In other words, nowhere close to max level? Or can PHI use cap space to offer whatever they want?

Philly could use cap space to increase his 2016 salary, and then base future raises off the new 2016 salary.  So say they thought Teague might get $60 million over 3 years next year in the free agency market (which is not remotely ridiculous given a salary cap of $111 million).  They could raise his salary to $16 million this year, and then give him the max raises over the next 3 years, paying him effectively $63 million over three years, but have it count as $17-19 million against the cap, because he got an $8 million raise this season he otherwise wouldn't have.

Relatedly, if we are able to sign Durant and Horford to long-term deals this summer, I think Ainge should just take next year's cap space and give IT a new deal before he hits free agency.

[Csfan1984]

I don't like the deal much but I think it is an okay option for 76ers. No brainer for Hawks.

[PhoSita]

Age-wise and contract-wise, Teague doesn't fit.

They need a younger PG who can grow with Noel, Simmons, Embiid, etc.

They need Kris Dunn.

At 3.

This rumor actually makes a lot of sense as a ploy to get Danny Ainge to raise his offer of the third pick for Okafor.