Is The Price Right: Bradley + # 3 For Butler?

[jambr380]

This seems about right - I would not offer more. We still keep Crowder, Smart, IT, and Rozier (with the option of keeping Turner, too) and consolidate. I really like Bradley, but there are other players on our team who can do what he does well, including Butler. His value is also at an all-time high and his [guaranteed] annual cap hit his higher than others on our team, allowing us to free up even more cap room.

Even if Chicago doesn't really want Bradley, some other team surely will and a three-way trade might be Chicago's preference, as they would be able to draw assets from multiple teams for Butler.

[Smokeeye123]

I think they should be able to get him for less.

The #3, the #23 and C's first rounder next year. I would rather do that than give up Bradley.

The celtics first rounder next year will essentially be a top 8 pick for sure in a loaded draft as we are swapping with Brooklyn. I'm keeping that pick.

[Donoghus]

If Chicago is moving Butler, they're blowing it up.   They're going to ask for a lot. 

Gotta factor in Butler's contract situation.  Team control for 3 more seasons at a rather team friendly & reasonable price given where things are headed in this league economically.  Chicago's not giving that up just for Avery Bradley & the #3 pick in the draft. 

[Eja117]

I think these kinds of trades where we try to get teams to give up an all star in hand for a couple starters in the bush and pretty unlikely to happen

Bradley is an All-Defensive First Team player who shutdown Steph Curry, and the third overall pick has been used in the past on people as notable as Michael Jordan, Kevin McHale, Grant Hill and James Harden. Nobody can say with certainty that the third overall pick this year will not join this list. The potential is there.

Some of you may be overestimating the efficacy of Butler (what has he really accomplished in the league?) while simultaneously underselling our assets in the process...

Ok, well I'm going on record right now saying Bradley plus 3 will not happen this offseason for an all star (unless maybe someone slips or something remarkable happens where we end up with Simmons or Ingram at 3 and then the whole situation could change).

[Bobshot]

This is a tough one. I said "maybe" because I'm not sure you want to break up that defensive backcourt for a guy who wants to be the main man offensively. He and IT might spend too much time competing for shots. The caveat is Butler is also a good defensive player, though he is much more expensive than Bradley. Bradley keeps improving offensively, but his one negative for me is he gets hurt in the playoffs--twice now. The first time probably cost the Celtics a title against Miami. I remember they had the Heat beat until Bradley's shoulder gave out.

I still favor focusing their ammunition on upgrading up front, where they are weakest. Including offense and defense. That's where they can make the biggest improvement to get to the next level. Butler alone won't be enough if they have to give up a significant piece for him.

[PaulP34]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

[Eja117]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

The Bulls won't do it. That's my take on that.

[PaulP34]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

The Bulls won't do it. That's my take on that.

But I thought Marcus Smart is a future superstar ? That's what most people r saying in this blog anyway. If he's gonna be all that great why wouldn't the Bulls jump on that deal ? I mean, its Marcus Smart we r talking about.

[ahonui06]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

The Bulls won't do it. That's my take on that.

But I thought Marcus Smart is a future superstar ? That's what most people r saying in this blog anyway. If he's gonna be all that great why wouldn't the Bulls jump on that deal ? I mean, its Marcus Smart we r talking about.

Does your facetious nature realize that celticsblog members don't work for the Bulls front office and pull triggers on trades?

[PaulP34]

The Bulls r not trading Butler. He's their keeper. Just like the Kings r not trading Cousins. These guys are not on the block so any idea that they come to Boston should stop. That opportunity window is closed and locked. Forget about it

[crimson_stallion]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

The Bulls won't do it. That's my take on that.

But I thought Marcus Smart is a future superstar ? That's what most people r saying in this blog anyway. If he's gonna be all that great why wouldn't the Bulls jump on that deal ? I mean, its Marcus Smart we r talking about.

Smart is a future superstar just like Will Smith is the future President of the United States.

[BitterJim]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

The Bulls won't do it. That's my take on that.

But I thought Marcus Smart is a future superstar ? That's what most people r saying in this blog anyway. If he's gonna be all that great why wouldn't the Bulls jump on that deal ? I mean, its Marcus Smart we r talking about.

Has anybody actually said that he's gonna be a superstar, or can you not tell the difference between liking a player and thinking they're gonna be a superstar?

[dannyboy35]

I do think it's funny how smart is deemed almost untradeable. I admit it makes me want to see him go and continue his gross offense. But it's really my distaste for our media and what they pumped him up to be. It's not his fault. I do love his hustle and d on everything but a point guard.

[Eja117]

Marcus Smart + #3 for Butler sounds better

The Bulls won't do it. That's my take on that.

But I thought Marcus Smart is a future superstar ? That's what most people r saying in this blog anyway. If he's gonna be all that great why wouldn't the Bulls jump on that deal ? I mean, its Marcus Smart we r talking about.

Smart is a future superstar just like Will Smith is the future President of the United States.

I personally think Will Smith being the POUS is more likely. 

[crimson_stallion]

I think they should be able to get him for less.

The #3, the #23 and C's first rounder next year. I would rather do that than give up Bradley.

The celtics first rounder next year will essentially be a top 8 pick for sure in a loaded draft as we are swapping with Brooklyn. I'm keeping that pick.

There is absolutely no certainty on that.

The Nets dropped from a 38 win team (in 2014/15) to a 21 win team (in 2015/16) when the highest profile players they lost were a Mason Plumlee and the fizzled out versions of Deron Williams & Andrew Kirilenko.  That was enough to see them drop 17 games and fall from a fringe playoff team to the 3rd worst team in the entire NBA.

With the significant cap space they have this year, it's not at all unrealistic to believe that they could be a fringe playoff team again as soon as next season.  It probably won't happen, but it's very possible.

People are overrating the "certainty" of those next two Brooklyn picks being valuable.  They both have the potential to fall outside the top 10 if the dominoes don't fall our way.  The Nets are basically a solid starting Point Guard and a half decent shooter away from being a surprisingly competitive team.