How Good Will Saric Be?

[Eddie20]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual. If I'm wrong link your "source". He's like Mirotic with better playmaking, but worse shooting. The fact is that he's improved very little since he was drafted. This season he's averaging 11 ppg and 5.8 rpg in 22 mpg. The rebounding numbers are concerning, but more concerning are his assists (1.4) to turnovers (1.5) since he's often been billed as a playmaking 4. He's now 22, so that would be held against him greatly during a draft. Also held against him would be a marginal wingspan (6-10) and athletic ability, which like Mirotic, makes him a liability against 4's and 3's. I could see him going in the lottery, but definitely can't see him going ahead of Bender, Murray, Dunn, or Hield (similar wingspan at nearly 6-10 himself and with better positional size).

"Mirotic with better playmaking" sounds better than Bender to me.

You forgot the worse shooter part, though. Saric is the better player now, but Bender is 18 and 4 years younger. That's like saying Perry Ellis is better than Harry Giles right now.

[footey]

Any video on Saric from the last year? Stats?  Would be curious to hear how he has developed since he was drafted.  I seem to recall his agent (or was it his dad) did not want him to go to Sixers, and had a list of teams he would leave Europe to play for, and it included the Celtics. Am I having a senior moment, or does that sound familiar to you guys??

[loco_91]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual. If I'm wrong link your "source". He's like Mirotic with better playmaking, but worse shooting. The fact is that he's improved very little since he was drafted. This season he's averaging 11 ppg and 5.8 rpg in 22 mpg. The rebounding numbers are concerning, but more concerning are his assists (1.4) to turnovers (1.5) since he's often been billed as a playmaking 4. He's now 22, so that would be held against him greatly during a draft. Also held against him would be a marginal wingspan (6-10) and athletic ability, which like Mirotic, makes him a liability against 4's and 3's. I could see him going in the lottery, but definitely can't see him going ahead of Bender, Murray, Dunn, or Hield (similar wingspan at nearly 6-10 himself and with better positional size).

"Mirotic with better playmaking" sounds better than Bender to me.

You forgot the worse shooter part, though. Saric is the better player now, but Bender is 18 and 4 years younger. That's like saying Perry Ellis is better than Harry Giles right now.

Yeah... the difference between an 18 year old and a 22 year old is kind of worth noting. Also, afaik Saric is a one-way offensive prospect, so that's another difference right there.

If I could've voted "average starter/good rotation player" I would have. Saric looks like he fits in, but the reality is that 80% of draft prospects never become "above average starters."

[LarBrd33]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

[Eddie20]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

[celticsclay]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

I mean I'm pretty sure Chad Ford said that Mirotic would be a top 5 pick in the 2014 NBA draft
That means they viewed him as being a better prospect than the majority of Smart, Randle, Gordon and Exum. I don't think, with the possible exception of Exum cause of injuries, that any of those teams would pick up the phone to trade those guys for Mirotic. People are complaining about Hield's age cause he is a few years older than a lot of the other prospects. Saric is 6 months younger and may not come over this season.

BTW I kind of put the option of Superstar in as a joke. Dirk is really the only modern day superstar from Europe (though the Gasol brothers are great) and even he was a number 8 pick in a time when there was a lot more fear of european players. The idea that Saric drafted at the end of the lottery and staying in Europe for a few years come over and becomes a superstar seems like an incredible longshot.

I am curious what players you would call a superstar that are currently from Europe
I would say

James
Curry
Durant
Westbrook
Harden
Antonio Davis
Chris Paul
Blake Griffin
Aldridge
 and a perhaps a very few select others would be considered superstars.

A few years back the list would have included
Ray Allen
KG
Pierce
Kobe
Duncan
dirk nowitzki
Wade
Bosh
and a few others

Pau in particular was close but he was always clearly the second best player on the Lakers and never had a period where he was clearly playing as a 1. If you disagree with that, please explain where you think I am missing. However, your current posts is just garbage that contributes nothing to the board. Please contribute more than this in the future.

Seriously, dude?  In what way is that necessary?  This part of your current post is just garbage that contributes nothing to the board. Please contribute better than this in the future.

I get you are trying to be cute or something here by repeating my comments. I think the overwhelming majority of people on this board would agree that if you disagree with someone it is much better for the board and everyone reading it to supply a written reply explaining why you disagree. Responding with an image of a guy slapping his head contributes nothing to the conversation because the reader has no idea why the person is slapping their head (so there is no further discussion) and also it is calling someone an idiot through an image. If everyone did this the board would be awful (not to mention I would have to imagine it is in the ballpark of violating the forum rules of not insulting and belittling other posters.

I think it is fair to say that adding an insulting image and no response to a post really is garbage and makes the board less appealing to read. Thankfully the majority of posters don't do this kind of stuff cause it would make it unreadable (if for no other reason than the conversations would be filled by disruptive images)

Edit: Ill also add in the past at one point I believe I responded to someone I disagreed on this forum with similarly with an animation suggesting they were dumb and after seeing how bad the thread got (and how it killed the thread) I regretted making the posts instead of verbalizing my point.

[LarBrd33]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

[celticsclay]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

LRBRD thank you for perfectly illustrating my point on how messy this thread will get if everyone starts doing this lol.

[LarBrd33]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

LRBRD thank you for perfectly illustrating my point on how messy this thread will get if everyone starts doing this lol.

Who's your pick for ROY this year?  Dario Saric or Joel Embiid?

[Lucky17]

Dirk is really the only modern day superstar from Europe (though the Gasol brothers are great)

http://hoopshype.com/2015/09/21/the-top-25-european-players-ever/#slideIdslide-0

Perhaps you're too young to have seen many of these guys play, but I see about a dozen bona fide "superstars" here.

[Eddie20]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

LRBRD thank you for perfectly illustrating my point on how messy this thread will get if everyone starts doing this lol.

Who's your pick for ROY this year?  Dario Saric or Joel Embiid?

Your silence speaks volumes. Glad I called you out on your usual MO of BS. At least we have clarity on where you received that information.

[celticsclay]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

LRBRD thank you for perfectly illustrating my point on how messy this thread will get if everyone starts doing this lol.

Who's your pick for ROY this year?  Dario Saric or Joel Embiid?

I kind of don't think Saric will play this year in the NBA. It seems like coming over this year could cost him like 15 million dollars over his next contract. He would be off the Rookie scale next year (which is not super high salary for the 14th pick($1,684,600). I believe there is also a limit on how much the 76ers can contribute to a buyout of his contract. You couple that with the fact that  next year could just sign for 6 million a year (if I am understanding this correctly) and it seems like it would be crazy for him to come now. However, it is possible if for no other reason than he wants to be in the NBA asap and doesn't care how much it costs him.

I don't think Embiid is super likely to be the rookie of the year if for no other reason than I imagine he would have a pretty low minutes cap not having played organized basketball in 2.5 years (not to mention his conditioning as many players have said nothing can replace in-game reps). It would be harder for him to put up numbers that are comparable to what a healthy Simmons or Ingrams will get on LA and Philly unless both teams go buck wild on the free agency front.

[LarBrd33]

I'd be interested to hear from an expert where he'd go in this draft.  I doubt anyone here is really qualified to make an estimate.  I've just read that he's a better prospect than Bender so that might give us a small idea.

No way. I guarantee you that you're likely sourcing some Sixers blog as usual.

k

I'm just basing this off your track record of posting ideas based on fan sites (usually some Sixers blog) and then regurgitating that opinion here as either factual or as if it were coming from an unbiased and credible source. If I'm wrong then I kindly ask you to link the source. It should be easy to find since you stated that you just read that opinion.

LRBRD thank you for perfectly illustrating my point on how messy this thread will get if everyone starts doing this lol.

Who's your pick for ROY this year?  Dario Saric or Joel Embiid?

Your silence speaks volumes.

I guess Ben Simmons might finish above both of them, but is it possible for a player to win both MVP and rookie of the year in the same season? 

[celticsclay]

Dirk is really the only modern day superstar from Europe (though the Gasol brothers are great)

http://hoopshype.com/2015/09/21/the-top-25-european-players-ever/#slideIdslide-0

Perhaps you're too young to have seen many of these guys play, but I see about a dozen bona fide "superstars" here.

Funnily enough, I actually looked at that exact same article to make sure I wasn't forgetting anyone. One point that may have caused confusion is that by Modern I meant the last 20 years. I also do remember everyone on that list and watched almost all of them play. I am curious even if we extend it back which players you think were superstars? I am also a bit bewildered by how you see a dozen bona fide superstars here?

Dragic - no
Calderon - no
Juan Navaroo- no
Daniel Galinari - no
Dejan Bodiroga - no
Mehmet Okur - no
Predrag Danilovic - no
Turkoglu - No
Dino Radja - no (although I did love him for two season)
Sarunas Marciulionis - good player but no
Rik Smits - no
Ilgauskas - no, made a few all star games but probably never called a superstar
Kirilenko - fun to watch, but no
Kukoc - near star, but not superstar
Noah - No
Marc Gasol - Star for sure (and a great player), but not a superstar
Schremph - No, briefly a star but never a superstar
Vlade Divac - not a superstar
Sabonis - Would have been, but came over injured on back end of career
Predrag Stojakovic - not a superstar
Drazen Petrovic. - Had a chance but tragically died before we could see his career
Tony Parker - an all star and great player, but never a superstar
Pau Gasol - closest besides Dirk, but just wasn't quite ever a number 1 player
Dirk - Yes a superstar, led his team to a title as clear number 1, top 10 all time scoring.

I 100% stand by my comments and would love to know how you see a dozen superstars on that list?  (or were you just kidding)

[Eddie20]

Any video on Saric from the last year? Stats?  Would be curious to hear how he has developed since he was drafted. I seem to recall his agent (or was it his dad) did not want him to go to Sixers, and had a list of teams he would leave Europe to play for, and it included the Celtics. Am I having a senior moment, or does that sound familiar to you guys??

2014 (age 20 and year drafted)
MPG 32.8
PPG 12.9
RPG 8.3
APG 2.7

2015
MPG 24.4
PPG 9.9
RPG 6.4
APG 2.3

2016
MPG 22.5
PPG 11.7
RPG 5.8
APG 1.5

Numbers wise, it's pretty clear that there has been little to no growth between 20 to 22, which are years that you would expect plenty of development. So I find it ridiculous for one to suggest he would be a top 3 pick this season, since he is now 22 years old and it's debatable if he's even improved since he was drafted.