Sully's Price Tag

[BDeCosta26]

Sullinger has been pretty disappointing in his time in Boston. He has A LOT of skills. High BBIQ, great passer, consistent mid-range shooter, elite on the boards, able to score on bigger dudes near the hoop. Solid positional defender, especially with low-post guys, while lacking "rim protection" skills. Sullinger has the skill set to be a solid 17/10/4 kind of guy. It's a shame he's turning into a modern day Oliver Miller, because he could be really, really good if he just did a few simple things.

But he hasn't. Were 4 years into Sully's career now. He 'll get a few halfway decent offers because he still contributes even at his weight. But I don't think he gets 8 figures. I'd be interested in keeping him on a short term deal for cheap money, but it's likely he won't accept that.

See, if Sully isn't on this team at the start of next season, we HAVE to have a different high level rebounder in our rotation. Sully is one of the best rebounders in the NBA, and were seriously lacking rebounding outside of him. So really, if your for getting rid of Sully, you should have an idea in mind of who we can get to replace him.

[alldaboston]

Sullinger has been pretty disappointing in his time in Boston. He has A LOT of skills. High BBIQ, great passer, consistent mid-range shooter, elite on the boards, able to score on bigger dudes near the hoop. Solid positional defender, especially with low-post guys, while lacking "rim protection" skills. Sullinger has the skill set to be a solid 17/10/4 kind of guy. It's a shame he's turning into a modern day Oliver Miller, because he could be really, really good if he just did a few simple things.

But he hasn't. Were 4 years into Sully's career now. He 'll get a few halfway decent offers because he still contributes even at his weight. But I don't think he gets 8 figures. I'd be interested in keeping him on a short term deal for cheap money, but it's likely he won't accept that.

See, if Sully isn't on this team at the start of next season, we HAVE to have a different high level rebounder in our rotation. Sully is one of the best rebounders in the NBA, and were seriously lacking rebounding outside of him. So really, if your for getting rid of Sully, you should have an idea in mind of who we can get to replace him.

ah true, this is a good point. we need rebounding from someone. KO wont do it. we will need another rebounding big.

simmons? lol

[crimson_stallion]

Stiemsma walked because the Celtics foolishly used the MLE on Jason Terry, so only had the biannual exception to match a contract offer and he got a bigger deal from Minnesota.

Where he averaged 4 points and 3 rebounds in 16 minutes, followed by 3 points and 4 rebounds in 18 minutes for the Pelicans, followed by 1 point and 1 rebounds for the Raptors....followed by disappearing from the league.

Sully is obviously a better player then Stiemsma, but just making the point that being great at one thing doesn't necessarily mean you should are worth holding on to.

[crimson_stallion]

Sullinger has been pretty disappointing in his time in Boston. He has A LOT of skills. High BBIQ, great passer, consistent mid-range shooter, elite on the boards, able to score on bigger dudes near the hoop. Solid positional defender, especially with low-post guys, while lacking "rim protection" skills. Sullinger has the skill set to be a solid 17/10/4 kind of guy. It's a shame he's turning into a modern day Oliver Miller, because he could be really, really good if he just did a few simple things.

But he hasn't. Were 4 years into Sully's career now. He 'll get a few halfway decent offers because he still contributes even at his weight. But I don't think he gets 8 figures. I'd be interested in keeping him on a short term deal for cheap money, but it's likely he won't accept that.

See, if Sully isn't on this team at the start of next season, we HAVE to have a different high level rebounder in our rotation. Sully is one of the best rebounders in the NBA, and were seriously lacking rebounding outside of him. So really, if your for getting rid of Sully, you should have an idea in mind of who we can get to replace him.

ah true, this is a good point. we need rebounding from someone. KO wont do it. we will need another rebounding big.

simmons? lol

Amir, Jerebko and Mickey are all pretty good rebounders.

In the draft there is Simmons (if we get lucky) and Poetlyl/Ellenson (if we don't). 

Failing that there is free agency (Dwight, Whiteside, Pachulia, Hill, Mozgov, Mahinmi, Noah, Hickson) and the trade market (Cousins, Monroe, Love, and smaller name guys). 

I wouldn't worry too much.  We've had years of competitive basketball without a rim protector, and we gave the Hawks a pretty good fight (despite having Bradley and Crowder hurt) with Sullinger barely playing, so I don't think his rebounding is that critical. 

Either we replace it with another guy, or we get by without it.

[chambers]

I don't think we'll overpay for Sully. If he gets a good offer somewhere and walks, I'm okay with that, but if we can get him on a good deal then I'd be happy- pretty unlikely that we'll match larger offers for him though.

By the way, all the people saying 'if we had Biyombo instead of Sully...Biyombo is a center. Sully is a PF. lol.

[Celtics4ever]

See, if Sully isn't on this team at the start of next season, we HAVE to have a different high level rebounder in our rotation. Sully is one of the best rebounders in the NBA, and were seriously lacking rebounding outside of him. So really, if your for getting rid of Sully, you should have an idea in mind of who we can get to replace him.

Sully was 24th in the league that is good but not truly elite.  How about Zaza Pachulia, C who was 14th and a free agent?

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avgRebounds/seasontype/2

We could live with a guy who gets less rebounds provided they do other things.   I would like a big that shoots over 50%.   One who can stand in front of their man.   One that can rotate on help instead of watching then scorer score.   One that can maintain a playing weight.   One that can stay in shape for the season.

Sully was 6th on our team during the post season.

http://espn.go.com/nba/team/stats/_/name/bos/cat/avgRebounds/boston-celtics

at 4.5 RPG.   Smart got that many and he could defend Milsap.   

Seriously, Sully is not a key element to this team and is replaceable.

By the way, all the people saying 'if we had Biyombo instead of Sully...Biyombo is a center. Sully is a PF. lol.

Many websites call him a C.  ESPN for instance.  The NBA page lists him as both.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jared_sullinger/

All those years of defending Sully and you must never looked at his player pages, that is astounding.  lol.

[clover]

We're approaching three weeks since the C's played their last game--and only six weeks until FA.

I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen any twitter updates from Sully or Lucas about them rekindling their summer training regimen.

Likewise, no updates from KO on whether he's going to have surgery. I take it they are watching to see how rest does for healing his shoulder, but the longer it goes the more likely that recovery from surgery would impact the upcoming season.

(The local Celtics press seems to do a really poor job of checking in with players and getting any news if it is not spoon fed to them all at an official Celtics press opportunity.)

[jambr380]

I don't think we'll overpay for Sully. If he gets a good offer somewhere and walks, I'm okay with that, but if we can get him on a good deal then I'd be happy- pretty unlikely that we'll match larger offers for him though.

By the way, all the people saying 'if we had Biyombo instead of Sully...Biyombo is a center. Sully is a PF. lol.

Sully was almost always listed at center with Amir at PF. I realize these two are pretty interchangeable in these positions, but no way Sully can consistently keep up with many of the leagues PFs.

Biyombo would have made the Hawks think twice about coming into the lane and would have gobbled up every rebound possible. Our spacing would have sucked with Biyombo and Amir, but it's not like Sully was money from downtown or anything.

[Eja117]

With Jerebko making so little and Jae C and Avery only making 7mill I just can't see offering him more than like 8.

What does a decent back up pf make these days?

[greece66]

I don't think we'll overpay for Sully. If he gets a good offer somewhere and walks, I'm okay with that, but if we can get him on a good deal then I'd be happy- pretty unlikely that we'll match larger offers for him though.

By the way, all the people saying 'if we had Biyombo instead of Sully...Biyombo is a center. Sully is a PF. lol.

You have a point there bcs had we got Biyombo, the natural move would have been not to sign Amir. Sully would still be with the team no matter what, and he could well fit in the same line up with Biyombo.

But the point is rather that Sully's best skill (his rebounding) was not there when it was most needed whereas Biyombo (often snubbed by fans - I'm not talking about the Forums) did a fine job in the playoffs.

Having said this, Heat was dilapidated in the series against TOR. Playing against Milsap and Horford is a different story.