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Sign Boban!
« on: May 09, 2016, 07:55:53 AM »

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This would be a great, low key signing - Boban Marjanovic's advanced stats are crazy and Pop barely let's him play. He can do everything Sully can do, but even better (and at 1/3 or 1/2 the price).

These are the type of stealth moves that title teams make. Please do it Danny!

Re: Sign Boban!
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2016, 08:05:06 AM »

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This would be a great, low key signing - Boban Marjanovic's advanced stats are crazy and Pop barely let's him play. He can do everything Sully can do, but even better (and at 1/3 or 1/2 the price).

These are the type of stealth moves that title teams make. Please do it Danny!

While I agree someone like Marjanovic *might* be a good acquisition, I do not think for one moment that the best coach in the NBA is holding back a player. Boban is raw, already 27 and extremely tentative on the offensive end of the court. But for the right price he might be able to fill a role off the bench.
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Re: Sign Boban!
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2016, 08:06:46 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2016, 08:18:23 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

^this

his salary is peanuts.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 08:40:07 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2016, 08:48:36 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

Agree to disagree, mate. Per Marc Stein's most recent article (he's the only guy for ESPN basketball that I trust), the Spurs would be looking to move Danny Green, Mills, and Diaw, and they'd also let Boban go. Then Duncan and Ginobli and maybe even west opt out and then re-sign at even further discounts.

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2016, 09:07:30 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

Agree to disagree, mate. Per Marc Stein's most recent article (he's the only guy for ESPN basketball that I trust), the Spurs would be looking to move Danny Green, Mills, and Diaw, and they'd also let Boban go. Then Duncan and Ginobli and maybe even west opt out and then re-sign at even further discounts.

Boban will cost them all of an extra $900k against the salary cap (because of the minimum roster holds).  If they're willing to let Boban walk for that little, that should tell you what the best organization at scouting talent thinks of him.  If they actually trade all three of Green, Mills, and Diaw, they'll have enough to sign Durant without Duncan and Ginobli taking paycuts.  And West is already scheduled to make the minimum, so he can't take a pay cut (although he can sign a one-year which saves the Spurs cap space but pays him the same amount).

But the Spurs could find the money to pay Boban in a world where they trade those three for Durant.  His salary is pocket change by NBA standards.  So either they think he's barely worth the minimum, in which case pass, because I trust the Spurs front office, or they keep him.

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2016, 09:10:24 AM »

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He is very raw, but very hard to stop under the basket as well. You could consider letting Zeller go and sign Boban instead, but I can't see how he would fit in Stevens' system as he can't shoot that well (as far as I'm aware of).
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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

^this

his salary is peanuts.

And if someone offered him $5.6, I'd be frustrated.

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

Agree to disagree, mate. Per Marc Stein's most recent article (he's the only guy for ESPN basketball that I trust), the Spurs would be looking to move Danny Green, Mills, and Diaw, and they'd also let Boban go. Then Duncan and Ginobli and maybe even west opt out and then re-sign at even further discounts.
If the Spurs would be looking to trade Danny Green then he's the one we should be targeting. He took re-signed at less than market value to stay with them, that contract is only going to get better. Plus he's not too shabby a player either!

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2016, 09:25:34 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

Agree to disagree, mate. Per Marc Stein's most recent article (he's the only guy for ESPN basketball that I trust), the Spurs would be looking to move Danny Green, Mills, and Diaw, and they'd also let Boban go. Then Duncan and Ginobli and maybe even west opt out and then re-sign at even further discounts.

Boban will cost them all of an extra $900k against the salary cap (because of the minimum roster holds).  If they're willing to let Boban walk for that little, that should tell you what the best organization at scouting talent thinks of him.  If they actually trade all three of Green, Mills, and Diaw, they'll have enough to sign Durant without Duncan and Ginobli taking paycuts.  And West is already scheduled to make the minimum, so he can't take a pay cut (although he can sign a one-year which saves the Spurs cap space but pays him the same amount).

But the Spurs could find the money to pay Boban in a world where they trade those three for Durant.  His salary is pocket change by NBA standards.  So either they think he's barely worth the minimum, in which case pass, because I trust the Spurs front office, or they keep him.


His salary would only be "peanuts" for the first year or two, but could then balloon to max levels after that. Plus, a small market team paying the luxury tax to that extent is highly unlikely, even if they got Durant. Boban is not likely to be back with the Spurs as they have as good a shot at Durant as anyone, and it doesn't mean letting him go "shows what they think of him," it means you let him go 100 out of 100 times for a shot at Durant. And even not taking Durant into account I doubt they want to pay 10 to 15 mil in years 3 and 4 if not more than that. We can just agree to disagree.

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2016, 09:44:56 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

Agree to disagree, mate. Per Marc Stein's most recent article (he's the only guy for ESPN basketball that I trust), the Spurs would be looking to move Danny Green, Mills, and Diaw, and they'd also let Boban go. Then Duncan and Ginobli and maybe even west opt out and then re-sign at even further discounts.

Boban will cost them all of an extra $900k against the salary cap (because of the minimum roster holds).  If they're willing to let Boban walk for that little, that should tell you what the best organization at scouting talent thinks of him.  If they actually trade all three of Green, Mills, and Diaw, they'll have enough to sign Durant without Duncan and Ginobli taking paycuts.  And West is already scheduled to make the minimum, so he can't take a pay cut (although he can sign a one-year which saves the Spurs cap space but pays him the same amount).

But the Spurs could find the money to pay Boban in a world where they trade those three for Durant.  His salary is pocket change by NBA standards.  So either they think he's barely worth the minimum, in which case pass, because I trust the Spurs front office, or they keep him.


His salary would only be "peanuts" for the first year or two, but could then balloon to max levels after that. Plus, a small market team paying the luxury tax to that extent is highly unlikely, even if they got Durant. Boban is not likely to be back with the Spurs as they have as good a shot at Durant as anyone, and it doesn't mean letting him go "shows what they think of him," it means you let him go 100 out of 100 times for a shot at Durant. And even not taking Durant into account I doubt they want to pay 10 to 15 mil in years 3 and 4 if not more than that. We can just agree to disagree.

It only balloons if someone offers him a ridiculous contract making the Spurs not want to match.  I didn't think that's what you were suggesting the Celtics do.

To clarify, his cap hold is $1.44 million.  If they renounce his cap hold, they would create $900k cap room, because they would still need a cap hold of the minimum salary of $543k, since they would have under twelve players and holds on their roster (in the scenario where they trade three players to create room for KD).  Durant signs, they could go above the cap to sign Boban, and accordingly match reasonable offers.  Now, we may have a disagreement about what a reasonable offer is for someone who turns 28 this summer, and had one season of nice advanced stats, albeit in 10 minutes a game mostly against opponents' scrubs.  If you think reasonable is 3 years, $24 million total, then yes, the Spurs won't match, and personally I'm not interested. If you think it's 2 years and $6 million total, then they very likely will, unless they have insider information that tells them otherwise.  I think they match up to 3 years, $12 million total, and I'm not really a fan of paying more than that.

EDIT: Also, the luxury tax line is about $20 million more than the salary cap, so the Spurs are not in danger of paying it under virtually any scenario.

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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2016, 09:49:35 AM »

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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.
Can you explain why the most he can be offered in one year is $5.6 MM? He's a restricted free agent, can't anyone offer him up to the max?

I think the only way Boban can be had is if a team signs him to an offer sheet as soon as free agency starts. If he gets enough that it would hinder the Spurs potential other plans then I doubt San Antonio matches.
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He's a restricted free agent.  Spurs will match any reasonable offer, and the most he can be offered in year one is about $5.6 million.

They will likely be trying to clear cap room to go after Durant. And even if he's not ready on offense his rebounding blocks and steals are great. And he is being held back because of these guys named Duncan, Aldridge & David West.

His cap hold is all of $1.44 million.  While it's possible that will matter, it's unlikely.  And they pretty much only get Durant if Duncan retires -- they need to get $20 million in salary from somewhere, and that somewhere has to be a couple of retirements, such as Duncan.

Agree to disagree, mate. Per Marc Stein's most recent article (he's the only guy for ESPN basketball that I trust), the Spurs would be looking to move Danny Green, Mills, and Diaw, and they'd also let Boban go. Then Duncan and Ginobli and maybe even west opt out and then re-sign at even further discounts.

Boban will cost them all of an extra $900k against the salary cap (because of the minimum roster holds).  If they're willing to let Boban walk for that little, that should tell you what the best organization at scouting talent thinks of him.  If they actually trade all three of Green, Mills, and Diaw, they'll have enough to sign Durant without Duncan and Ginobli taking paycuts.  And West is already scheduled to make the minimum, so he can't take a pay cut (although he can sign a one-year which saves the Spurs cap space but pays him the same amount).

But the Spurs could find the money to pay Boban in a world where they trade those three for Durant.  His salary is pocket change by NBA standards.  So either they think he's barely worth the minimum, in which case pass, because I trust the Spurs front office, or they keep him.


His salary would only be "peanuts" for the first year or two, but could then balloon to max levels after that. Plus, a small market team paying the luxury tax to that extent is highly unlikely, even if they got Durant. Boban is not likely to be back with the Spurs as they have as good a shot at Durant as anyone, and it doesn't mean letting him go "shows what they think of him," it means you let him go 100 out of 100 times for a shot at Durant. And even not taking Durant into account I doubt they want to pay 10 to 15 mil in years 3 and 4 if not more than that. We can just agree to disagree.

It only balloons if someone offers him a ridiculous contract making the Spurs not want to match.  I didn't think that's what you were suggesting the Celtics do.

To clarify, his cap hold is $1.44 million.  If they renounce his cap hold, they would create $900k cap room, because they would still need a cap hold of the minimum salary of $543k, since they would have under twelve players and holds on their roster (in the scenario where they trade three players to create room for KD).  Durant signs, they could go above the cap to sign Boban, and accordingly match reasonable offers.  Now, we may have a disagreement about what a reasonable offer is for someone who turns 28 this summer, and had one season of nice advanced stats, albeit in 10 minutes a game mostly against opponents' scrubs.  If you think reasonable is 3 years, $24 million total, then yes, the Spurs won't match, and personally I'm not interested. If you think it's 2 years and $6 million total, then they very likely will, unless they have insider information that tells them otherwise.  I think they match up to 3 years, $12 million total, and I'm not really a fan of paying more than that.

EDIT: Also, the luxury tax line is about $20 million more than the salary cap, so the Spurs are not in danger of paying it under virtually any scenario.

3 years 24 million is very reasonable IMO. I'd do that in a heartbeat.