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The Three Players the Celts Must Add This Summer
« on: May 03, 2016, 06:23:42 PM »

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Well, this past season didn't end the way we wanted it to, but it was a pretty decent season overall. 

The 2015-2016 Celts were a hard-working, mostly lovable bunch with some really rad strengths and some really wince-worthy weaknesses.  Those weaknesses were on display in the first round loss to the Hawks, but were noticeable all season long.


Those weaknesses included, in particular:

- Poor defensive rebounding
- Poor shooting, especially from three point territory
- Not very many free throw attempts (relative to overall field goal attempts)


This summer, the Celts have three notable free agents, each of whom is in some way representative of these weaknesses:

- Jared Sullinger, a big man with an absolutely pathetic Effective Field Goal Percentage (well below 50%).

- Evan Turner, a ball-dominant player with a relatively low Effective Field Goal Percentage and an abysmal shooting percentage from beyond the arc.

- Tyler Zeller, a big man with a poor overall rebounding percentage, especially on the defensive glass, considering he's a pure center.


Like every team, the Celts will look to improve this summer.  Obviously the overarching goal from that vantage point will be to upgrade the talent level on the roster, specifically by targeting high usage, high minutes stars who can carry a load on both ends to make life easier for the Celts' many young role players.

Acquiring stars is difficult, though.  At the very least, the Celts need to make it a goal to move on from the three free agents mentioned above and replace them with the following:

- A quality defensive rebounder who can also finish at a decent rate.

- A honest-to-goodness outside shooter, i.e. takes and makes lots of shots from deep.

- A player who can take and make lots of shots (from anywhere) with decent efficiency, while also getting to the line.



I'd like to note that what the Celts could really, really use is a wing or frontcourt player who is a quality rebounder, an above average shooter from everywhere, including three point territory, and who gets to the line frequently.

Unfortunately, players fitting that description are almost invariably stars.  So yeah, of course that's what they need.


There is one player who is a free agent this summer and who, to at least some extent, addresses each area.

Luol Deng.

He shoots 34% from three, his free throw rate is 25.7%, his defensive rebound rate is OK for a wing (15.4%), and his EFG% is 51.3.  He only scores 13.7 points per 36 minutes these days, though.  Luol is your classic Jack-of-All-Trades. 

He'd help, but the Celts really need to add some guys with stand-out strengths.


In that vein, here are some names that could possibly be available via free agency -- or trade, noted by an asterisk -- that the Celts perhaps ought to consider.

Rebounder / Finishers

(>20 DR% and >50 EFG%)

- Dwight Howard
- Hassan Whiteside
- Ian Mahinmi
- Tyson Chandler*
- Marcin Gortat*
- Kenneth Faried*
- Jon Leuer*
- Bismack Biyombo
- Greg Monroe
- Thaddeus Young

Shooters

(>36 3P% and > 1.5 3P per 36 min)

- Mirza Teletovic
- Eric Gordon
- Terrence Ross
- Hollis Thompson*
- Ryan Anderson
- Marvin Williams
- Evan Fournier
- Ersan Ilyasova
- Jared Dudley


Shot Taker / Maker

(>15 Points per 36 min; >1 3P per 36 min; >33 3P%; >20% FTR)

- Lou Williams*
- Gerald Henderson
- Omri Casspi*
- Evan Fournier
- Rudy Gay*
- Ryan Anderson
- Eric Gordon
- Mirza Teletovic



What do you think?  Do you have any players in mind who fit the descriptions above that aren't listed?


Again, it's obvious that what the Celts need to add in order to reach contention is a "star," probably multiple "stars." 

This is an attempt to identify what the Celts are lacking overall beyond "star power," and how those shortcomings might be addressed this summer regardless of which stars do or do not become available.
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Re: The Three Players the Celts Must Add This Summer
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 06:40:28 PM »

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you forgot shot blocking. Celts finished 22nd in the league, I believe. Scoring on the Cs in the paint is easier than Taylor Swift.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 06:44:46 PM »

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I'd go for Eric Gordon. He has been relatively healthy this past season, and although he will look to get paid like everyone else, he's already had a huge contract and may be due for a pay cut after failing to live up to expectations.

He is definitely the type of shooter and shot maker we can use, and can also handle the ball well. If we move Bradley in a trade for a superstar and don't keep Turner, Gordon could be a great fit.

On the shot blocking and rebounding end, all of those guys have some major flaws for the cost needed to obtain them. What about Asik for cheap? NO barely uses him, and he can still rebound and block shots. He is a disaster on offense though, and too slow for today's game, but paying top dollar for a broken down, aging Dwight Howard or Marcin Gortat or Tyson Chandler doesnt interest me.

If we don't land a big man superstar like Horford or Marc Gasol, I'd go try and get Nurkic from the Nuggets. He's tough as nails, rebounds extremely well, and would be a terror inside. He's still very young and could be obtainable at the moment.

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 06:45:22 PM »

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you forgot shot blocking. Celts finished 22nd in the league, I believe. Scoring on the Cs in the paint is easier than Taylor Swift.

I think shot-blocking is nice, but I tend to feel that it's more a general indicator of paint defense rather than something that represents a lot of value in itself.

Overall, the Celts were quite good defensively.  They might have been even better if they had done a better job of hauling in rebounds.

While I'd agree that interior defense is something the Celts could stand to improve, I wouldn't highlight it as one of the major areas that need to be addressed. 

The Celts demonstrated this season they could have a solidly top 5-10 defense even though only one player in their end-of-year rotation had a Block Percentage greater than 2, and that guy only played 22.8 minutes per game (Amir Johnson).
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 06:47:45 PM »

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I'd go for Eric Gordon. He has been relatively healthy this past season, and although he will look to get paid like everyone else, he's already had a huge contract and may be due for a pay cut after failing to live up to expectations.

He is definitely the type of shooter and shot maker we can use, and can also handle the ball well. If we move Bradley in a trade for a superstar and don't keep Turner, Gordon could be a great fit.


I'd be willing to take a chance of Gordon, but only for the right price on a fairly short term deal.  Maybe something like what the Celts gave Amir last summer.

Gordon was healthier this season, and it's fair to wonder how many games and minutes he'd have played if the Pelicans weren't completely out of the playoff chase so early in the year, but he did miss the end of the season with an injury to his shooting hand. 

Overall, I'd say Gordon should be signed with caution and slated for a bench scoring role, and the team that signs him should have backup plans in place.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 06:55:11 PM »

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There were a few rumors of our interest in trading for Thad Young. I would like to see that happen. He can be a long term 4 for us in my opinion.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 06:55:17 PM »

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You had me at Luol Deng.

He's the perfect 2 year stop gap until we get that PF we can have for the next 8-10 years. As he switched to the PF spot, he has played well. He will be a good outside shooting threat for his position, still quick enough to defend pick and rolls, quick for his position offensively, and has decent enough size (6'9", 220) to battle against traditional PF's.

He's going to fit like a puzzle piece for us. I don't mind paying him 2 years / $24 million. He's still a good player, and has been really good when he switched positions.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 06:56:16 PM »

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Grabbing Jaylen Brown with the 5th or 6th pick and then swapping out Zeller and Sully for Mahinmi and Ryan Anderson might win for the biggest but least sexy improvement any team would make this offseason.

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you forgot shot blocking. Celts finished 22nd in the league, I believe. Scoring on the Cs in the paint is easier than Taylor Swift.

I think shot-blocking is nice, but I tend to feel that it's more a general indicator of paint defense rather than something that represents a lot of value in itself.

Overall, the Celts were quite good defensively.  They might have been even better if they had done a better job of hauling in rebounds.

While I'd agree that interior defense is something the Celts could stand to improve, I wouldn't highlight it as one of the major areas that need to be addressed. 

The Celts demonstrated this season they could have a solidly top 5-10 defense even though only one player in their end-of-year rotation had a Block Percentage greater than 2, and that guy only played 22.8 minutes per game (Amir Johnson).

Tell that to Jeff Teague, Denis Schroder, Kent Bazemore and Paul Millsap.... our first round series was an absolutely lay-up line.
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2016, 06:58:16 PM »

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Grabbing Jaylen Brown with the 5th or 6th pick and then swapping out Zeller and Sully for Mahinmi and Ryan Anderson might win for the biggest but least sexy improvement any team would make this offseason.

Mike

Ryan Anderson would be awesome. I don't know why he hasn't been more successful paired with Anthony Davis, I thought that duo would be something the Pelicans would want to keep long term, they should have complemented each other better than they did.

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Stevens has said repeatedly that our greatest need is a versatile wing, and I'll go with that: a player who can score on a consistent basis, help with the rebounding, play good D and can also dribble and pass well, ie. a young Luol Deng.

Of the players mentioned, I'm p sure I don't want Lou Williams here (age +poor defence).

Fournier is not exactly athletic and he is more of a 2/3 than the 3/4 that we need: he won't be of any help with rebounding. Still, his offensive game is exciting, and he is among the most interesting of the players mentioned.

PS1 I'm not sure Stevens even wants a traditional center.  Someone like Kevin Love or Blake Griffin would be a nice fit, but I am much less optimistic about someone like Howard.
As for Biyombo, I rooted for us to take him last summer; now that he has drawn so much attention to him it is kind of late: from being undervalued he went straight to being overrated.

PS2 Does the asterisk stand for RFA?

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Grabbing Jaylen Brown with the 5th or 6th pick and then swapping out Zeller and Sully for Mahinmi and Ryan Anderson might win for the biggest but least sexy improvement any team would make this offseason.

Mike

Ryan Anderson would be awesome. I don't know why he hasn't been more successful paired with Anthony Davis, I thought that duo would be something the Pelicans would want to keep long term, they should have complemented each other better than they did.

The problem is that Anderson can't defend a chair and playing with Davis means that Davis has to play the 5. Davis doesn't want to play the 5 and given all the issues he's had physically I think he's right and his body won't be able to handle the banging inside. It's why the Pelicans traded for Asik and then re-signed Ajinca in free agency. Obviously neither is the answer, which is why they're rumored to be targeting Whiteside via free agency or Poeltl in the draft.

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If we're going to overpay for the FA's that aren't star level, which is a definite possibility, I'd go for Biyombo and Fournier. Both are 23, healthy, and address needs. For a third, I'd try to get Dudley on a modest deal.

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If we're going to overpay for the FA's that aren't star level, which is a definite possibility, I'd go for Biyombo and Fournier. Both are 23, healthy, and address needs. For a third, I'd try to get Dudley on a modest deal.
There is no reason whatsoever to overpay. Overpaying leads to mediocrity. Just look at the contracts that GSW and SAS have.

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Grabbing Jaylen Brown with the 5th or 6th pick and then swapping out Zeller and Sully for Mahinmi and Ryan Anderson might win for the biggest but least sexy improvement any team would make this offseason.

Mike

Ryan Anderson would be awesome. I don't know why he hasn't been more successful paired with Anthony Davis, I thought that duo would be something the Pelicans would want to keep long term, they should have complemented each other better than they did.

The problem is that Anderson can't defend a chair and playing with Davis means that Davis has to play the 5. Davis doesn't want to play the 5 and given all the issues he's had physically I think he's right and his body won't be able to handle the banging inside. It's why the Pelicans traded for Asik and then re-signed Ajinca in free agency. Obviously neither is the answer, which is why they're rumored to be targeting Whiteside via free agency or Poeltl in the draft.

I think it's a shame that in today's NBA where the definition of a center has changed to include smaller players who spend more time out of the paint, a top tier young big man doesnt want to play center because its too much banging on his body.