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Anthony Bennett = top number 1 draft pick bust of all time?
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At least some of the so called busts like kwame brown stuck around the league for a long time and Odens excuse is injury.

What about Bennett?  He might get a SL invite or two maybe.  But watching him play for 2 seasons now, it looks like the Cavs really messed up

Tweener in the worst way possible. 6-6 long wingspan , athletic but is no Draymond Green.  Low IQ being the primary weakness

So far biggest number 1 pick bust?

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Watch Danny be the one that invites him

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If it was Charlotte or the Clippers maybe. The gods favor the Cavs somehow with all those #1 picks.

He was also a (small) piece in the Love/Wiggins deal that has them in contention to win it all.
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What was he projected to go in the predraft boards?

It was if I remember a pretty bad draft class.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_first_overall_NBA_draft_picks

Based on this list of overall number 1 picks, this is the best I could come up with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Melchiorre

Point shaving scandal

Melchiorre was involved in a massive point shaving scandal in 1951 which brought seven schools and 32 players from around the US to face charges on violations of the New York state penal code. On July 24, 1951, Melchiorre and four of his teammates admitted taking bribes to hold down scores against St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia in 1951 and against Oregon State University in Chicago.[3]

Melchiorre and two of his teammates pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in New York. Though the players faced three years in prison, the assistant District Attorney praised the trio's cooperation, and they were given suspended sentences.

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After completion of his four years at Bradley and a suspended sentence for the point shaving scandal, Melchiorre entered the 1951 NBA Draft. He was selected as the first overall pick in the draft by the Baltimore Bullets. Melchiorre would never play a minute of NBA basketball, however. Not long after he admitted his role in the scandal, NBA President Maurice Podoloff banned all players involved in the point shaving scandal, including Melchiorre, from the NBA for life.

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Andy Tonkovich and Clifton Mcneely were nothing to write home about either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifton_McNeely

Clifton McNeely (June 22, 1919 – December 26, 2003) was an American basketball player and coach. McNeely graduated from Slidell High School in Slidell, Texas.

After serving with the United States Army Air Corps in World War II, McNeely played basketball at Texas Wesleyan University. He earned All-American honors in 1947 after leading the nation in scoring,[1] and was selected with the first pick of the 1947 BAA Draft by the Pittsburgh Ironmen. However, McNeely never played professional basketball, opting to coach at Pampa High School in Texas

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tonkoan01.html

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LaRue Martin has to be up there too. 

4 seasons.  Out of the league by age 26.  Averaged roughly 5/4 for his career.


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Re: Anthony Bennett = top number 1 draft pick bust of all time?
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The only thing you can really say about Bennett at this point is that the draft he was taken 1st in was thought to be historically weak.  There was no consensus top pick.  Nerlens Noel was seen as the best prospect, but his injury caused him to fall and nobody really thought he was a superstar prospect either.  Nobody really saw Bennett as a potential superstar.  The draft was seen as a crap shoot.  He was universally seen as a reach at the time he was drafted, but the Cavs apparently thought he had the highest ceiling if he could figure it out.  I watched him his first couple years and he was obviously terrible, but you could see glimmers of what the Cavs saw in him.  He had some tools.  Good mobility, large body, explosive, decent shooting mechanics.  He occasionally showed signs of being a decent player.  He performed well for Team Canada and in Summer League.  You could at least get a sense of why they drafted him and the type of player he could develop into if he put the tools together. 

In terms of how a #1 pick ended up, yeah... Bennett is a disaster.  But I could see a case being made that Greg Oden is a bigger bust simply because expectations were sky high for Oden.  That's the definition of a bust for me.  It's the same reason I don't look at failures taken 15-30 as "busts".  Nobody should reasonably expect a guy like Fab Melo to become a star - he was just a nice cheap late-round gamble in case he figured it out.  I don't think anyone reasonably expected Bennett to be a star.  He just had tools.  We've seen guys with tools who don't figure it out at all.  We've seen guys with tools who put it all together.  And we've even seen a rare instance of a guy with tools who disappeared for years only to return as a functional NBA basketball player (Gerald Green comes to mind).

There was enough of a glimmer of potential with Bennett that I made an infamous post during the dregs of the 2015 offseason hypothetically asking if it would be worthwhile to trade the #16 pick for Bennett:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78383.0

I admitted up front that the trade didn't make any functional sense, because of Bennett's contract.  It was never going to happen.  I myself never actually said I'd do it (though others did).  I admitted up front it was a ridiculous premise... I literally open the post by saying "ok, let me know when you're done laughing."  I was more just trying to start a conversation about targeting buy-low candidates who might have a higher ceiling than the players available at #16.  I later made a post asking if it would be worthwhile to trade #16 for Nik Stauskas. 

It would be the equivalent of me asking, "If the 2016 picks falls to #6, would any of you trade it for Mario Hezonja?"... Naturally, if Hezonja never reaches his potential you'd have guys here years later taking my question out of context and suggesting I thought Hezonja was a future superstar.  The "buy low" idea was a premise based on actual behavior from Danny Ainge.  Back in 2006 Ainge looked at his options with the #7 pick and decided he'd rather trade it for a buy-low candidate named Sebastian Telfair.  It didn't really work out.   Likewise, in the 2014 draft there was a strong rumor that Ainge was considering moving the #6 pick for Ben McLemore.   

Naturally, my comments were taken out of context and you'll see in dozens of threads, "LarBrd33 is an idiot... he thought Anthony Bennett, Nik Stauskas and Ben McLemore would be superstars".  Saw one of those as recently as yesterday.  I'm clearly an idiot, but at least find the stuff I'm actually an idiot about.

Anyways.  Bennett hasn't figured it out and probably never will.  But I'm not sure I'd say he's the biggest bust.  I saw Bennett the same way I saw Kedrick Brown.  Brown was a massive reach, but you could kind of see the things that were appealing about him.  He never figured it out.   In terms of guys who had massive expectations only to fall short, there's probably better examples than Bennett. 
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The thing that kills me with Bennett and gives me some hope that he may down the road carve out a bench role in the NBA (still only 23) is the fact that he came into the league at the perfect time. His physical profile and projected NBA skill set where perfect for the current NBA. In a time era when two similar style forwards who where 2nd round picks Green and Milsap are all-stars Bennett should be flourishing.   
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What was he projected to go in the predraft boards?

It was if I remember a pretty bad draft class.

With it being a weak draft board there was a lot of variation, but mostly Bennett seemed to be in the 5-10 range. Number 1 was a definite surprise.

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What was he projected to go in the predraft boards?

It was if I remember a pretty bad draft class.

He was in the 5-10 range.  Oladipo went 2, and has been mediocre.  Same story with Porter at 3.  Cody Zeller was serviceable in his third season, but hasn't been much more useful than players picked in the teens.  Len finally started to show something in the second half of this season.  Noel has been very good defensively, but has a lot of flaws on offense (and also missed an entire season).

Any of those players would have been better than Bennett, obviously, but I'm not sure that you'll even see a single all-star or all-NBA season from anyone picked 2-6.  He was not the best choice, and few thought he was at the time.  But there was no one who was a franchise-altering player that was missed out on, and the one closest to that description, Nerlens Noel, had blown out his ACL and couldn't score but for dunking.

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The only thing you can really say about Bennett at this point is that the draft he was taken 1st in was thought to be historically weak.  There was no consensus top pick.  Nerlens Noel was seen as the best prospect, but his injury caused him to fall and nobody really thought he was a superstar prospect either.  Nobody really saw Bennett as a potential superstar.  The draft was seen as a crap shoot.  He was universally seen as a reach at the time he was drafted, but the Cavs apparently thought he had the highest ceiling if he could figure it out.  I watched him his first couple years and he was obviously terrible, but you could see glimmers of what the Cavs saw in him.  He had some tools.  Good mobility, large body, explosive, decent shooting mechanics.  He occasionally showed signs of being a decent player.  He performed well for Team Canada and in Summer League.  You could at least get a sense of why they drafted him and the type of player he could develop into if he put the tools together. 

In terms of how a #1 pick ended up, yeah... Bennett is a disaster.  But I could see a case being made that Greg Oden is a bigger bust simply because expectations were sky high for Oden.  That's the definition of a bust for me.  It's the same reason I don't look at failures taken 15-30 as "busts".  Nobody should reasonably expect a guy like Fab Melo to become a star - he was just a nice cheap late-round gamble in case he figured it out.  I don't think anyone reasonably expected Bennett to be a star.  He just had tools.  We've seen guys with tools who don't figure it out at all.  We've seen guys with tools who put it all together.  And we've even seen a rare instance of a guy with tools who disappeared for years only to return as a functional NBA basketball player (Gerald Green comes to mind).

There was enough of a glimmer of potential with Bennett that I made an infamous post during the dregs of the 2015 offseason hypothetically asking if it would be worthwhile to trade the #16 pick for Bennett:  http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78383.0

I admitted up front that the trade didn't make any functional sense, because of Bennett's contract.  It was never going to happen.  I myself never actually said I'd do it (though others did).  I admitted up front it was a ridiculous premise... I literally open the post by saying "ok, let me know when you're done laughing."  I was more just trying to start a conversation about targeting buy-low candidates who might have a higher ceiling than the players available at #16.  I later made a post asking if it would be worthwhile to trade #16 for Nik Stauskas. 

It would be the equivalent of me asking, "If the 2016 picks falls to #6, would any of you trade it for Mario Hezonja?"... Naturally, if Hezonja never reaches his potential you'd have guys here years later taking my question out of context and suggesting I thought Hezonja was a future superstar.  The "buy low" idea was a premise based on actual behavior from Danny Ainge.  Back in 2006 Ainge looked at his options with the #7 pick and decided he'd rather trade it for a buy-low candidate named Sebastian Telfair.  It didn't really work out.   Likewise, in the 2014 draft there was a strong rumor that Ainge was considering moving the #6 pick for Ben McLemore.   

Naturally, my comments were taken out of context and you'll see in dozens of threads, "LarBrd33 is an idiot... he thought Anthony Bennett, Nik Stauskas and Ben McLemore would be superstars".  Saw one of those as recently as yesterday.  I'm clearly an idiot, but at least find the stuff I'm actually an idiot about.

Anyways.  Bennett hasn't figured it out and probably never will.  But I'm not sure I'd say he's the biggest bust.  I saw Bennett the same way I saw Kedrick Brown.  Brown was a massive reach, but you could kind of see the things that were appealing about him.  He never figured it out.   In terms of guys who had massive expectations only to fall short, there's probably better examples than Bennett.
Thats an interesting way of looking at busts.

I remember seeing a post last year around draft time that labeled Lester Hudson a "bust". I mean dude got picked 58th.

With Bennett I think its an interesting dynamic because it was such a weak draft, but at the same time it was still a number 1 pick. No one expected Bennett the prospect to be a stud, but when a franchise wins the lottery and get that #1 pick, I think the expectation is immediately that that pick will turn into something resembling a superstar.

I think Bennett might be the worst number 1 pick of all time, but Im not sure he is the worst bust of all time.

The Oden point is interesting because he obviously failed to meet the monstrous expectations. However, it feels strange for me to call him a bust, because I dont think you can blame Oden for his failings. He was just hurt all the time. Im not sure why I feel like injuries should shield players from the bust label, but Ive always felt that if a player never got a chance to really prove himself then I dont want to call him a bust.

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What was he projected to go in the predraft boards?

It was if I remember a pretty bad draft class.

With it being a weak draft board there was a lot of variation, but mostly Bennett seemed to be in the 5-10 range. Number 1 was a definite surprise.

Picking him # 1 was a classic example of drafting someone based on measurables (long arms, athletic) and ignoring other factors (especially basketball IQ).  Be real careful!!

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That was a pretty terrible draft at the top.  In a redraft Giannis probably goes 1 and he was 15 originally.  Giannis would be competing with Gobert (who went 27).  Noel probably goes 3.  McCollum probably goes 4 (he was 10th originally).  Then it is just a collection of who cares with guys like KO, Oladipo, Dieng, Adams, Len, Burke, MCW, etc. 

It really is a terrible draft at this point, but you never know maybe Giannis puts it all together, Gobert keeps developing, Noel becomes a defensive player of the year type player, McCollum keeps improving, and a couple of the next group end up in the next level.  At this point though it looks like it will be competing with 2000 for the worst draft of all time (or at least since the NBA/ABA merge). 
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The only thing you can really say about Bennett at this point is that the draft he was taken 1st in was thought to be historically weak.  There was no consensus top pick.  Nerlens Noel was seen as the best prospect, but his injury caused him to fall and nobody really thought he was a superstar prospect either.  Nobody really saw Bennett as a potential superstar.  The draft was seen as a crap shoot.  He was universally seen as a reach at the time he was drafted, but the Cavs apparently thought he had the highest ceiling if he could figure it out.  I watched him his first couple years and he was obviously terrible, but you could see glimmers of what the Cavs saw in him.  He had some tools.  Good mobility, large body, explosive, decent shooting mechanics.  He occasionally showed signs of being a decent player.  He performed well for Team Canada and in Summer League.  You could at least get a sense of why they drafted him and the type of player he could develop into if he put the tools together. 

In terms of how a #1 pick ended up, yeah... Bennett is a disaster.  But I could see a case being made that Greg Oden is a bigger bust simply because expectations were sky high for Oden.  That's the definition of a bust for me.  It's the same reason I don't look at failures taken 15-30 as "busts".  Nobody should reasonably expect a guy like Fab Melo to become a star - he was just a nice cheap late-round gamble in case he figured it out.  I don't think anyone reasonably expected Bennett to be a star.  He just had tools.  We've seen guys with tools who don't figure it out at all.  We've seen guys with tools who put it all together.  And we've even seen a rare instance of a guy with tools who disappeared for years only to return as a functional NBA basketball player (Gerald Green comes to mind).


I'm with you on arguing Greg Oden, but for a different reason.  The 2007 class wasn't amazing, but there was at least talent at the top.  Obviously Durant went #2, but Al Horford went #3 and Mike Conley went 4th.  Nine years later, and all three are top 2 players on their original teams.  What Portland missed out on by selecting Oden instead of Durant, or even Horford or Conley, was significant.  I don't think there's anyone in the top 5 of the 2013 draft who will even reach Conley's or Horford's NBA status, much less Durant's.  There needs to be some opportunity loss factored into considering busts.  Oden's is obvious.  Bennett, while obviously a major disappointment, isn't being blown out of the water by his peers.