Why is jae so bad suddenly?

[BornReady]

I still can't believe that Ainge got hung up on Crowder in a Jimmy Butler deal. You don't pass on these opportunities for stars because they don't come around often, especially two way stars. He would have fit so perfectly into this offense!! It just sucks seeing Crowder struggle and thinking that IT could have had Butler help guide them to the 2nd round. Let's say the Brooklyn pick falls at 3 this summer. Now not only are you in the same position you were at the deadline, but you have a Jae Crowder who has clearly declined in value after this playoffs, injury or not. People think that Crowder has been struggling with injuries, which he most likely is, but Atlanta has exposed his flaws immensely. They've forced him left and not allowed him to get a head of steam. Without these Crowder has struggled really bad because those are huge parts of his game. Now we have a pick that has significantly depreciated because I'm sure the Bulls believed that it had a chance at the 1st overall pick. Now we actually have a better chance to get the 4th or 5th pick. So now even if we were to trade for him we would probably have to trade more because of all our assets have depreciated.
It's good to bet on yourself like Jimmy, but sometimes the market doesn't always reward you. Too many factors.

I'm sure Danny will lowball the Bulls for Jimmy. The chemistry issues they have probably make the Bulls all the more desperate to make a move, so I could see Danny remaining by his offers, whatever they were.

That's true, but you also have to look at it from this angle. There is a huge market for a player like Jimmy. For example, if a team like Philly suddenly becomes aggressive to reverse their rebuild with their assets of Okafor, Noel, Saric, Embiid, and picks then we can easily be outbidded on pretty much any player on the market. Would Chicago rather take a packaged centered around Crowder, or a package centered around Okafor or Noel and picks?? Think about this. Philly lands 1 and grabs Ben Simmons. They send over Saric, Covington, Embiid, and a pick for Butler. They can clearly send over Okafor and other players. Here's a quick rebuild though. They send Okafor for our pick 3, Avery Bradley, and Rozier. They take Kris Dunn with 3.
So here's their starting lineup:

PG: Kris Dunn
SG: Avery Bradley
SF: Jimmy Butler
PF: Ben Simmons
C: Nerlens Noel

Now tell me that wouldn't be a dangerous team in the East. The scary part is that they could easily do that.
Sorry guys it's just interesting to think about how to build some of these teams.

In theory it is that easy
But teams don't necessarily want to trade their stars or like phillys players
I mean Covington is ok

Embiid has potential but both him and Saric haven't played
So Chicago may not see them as high valued assets as Philly does

The key thing with rebuilding through trades is the timing
Timing has to be ripe where your assets are at max value while the player your trading for is low enough to steal in a trade without giving too much

[SHAQATTACK]

He 's Hurt?

[BornReady]

I still can't believe that Ainge got hung up on Crowder in a Jimmy Butler deal. You don't pass on these opportunities for stars because they don't come around often, especially two way stars. He would have fit so perfectly into this offense!! It just sucks seeing Crowder struggle and thinking that IT could have had Butler help guide them to the 2nd round. Let's say the Brooklyn pick falls at 3 this summer. Now not only are you in the same position you were at the deadline, but you have a Jae Crowder who has clearly declined in value after this playoffs, injury or not. People think that Crowder has been struggling with injuries, which he most likely is, but Atlanta has exposed his flaws immensely. They've forced him left and not allowed him to get a head of steam. Without these Crowder has struggled really bad because those are huge parts of his game. Now we have a pick that has significantly depreciated because I'm sure the Bulls believed that it had a chance at the 1st overall pick. Now we actually have a better chance to get the 4th or 5th pick. So now even if we were to trade for him we would probably have to trade more because of all our assets have depreciated.
It's good to bet on yourself like Jimmy, but sometimes the market doesn't always reward you. Too many factors.

We don't know the exact details of the proposed trade
Maybe bulls asked for too many picks or assets

But I think one reason with not trading  crowder was the fact that his improvement and the fact that he gave us our defensive identity and was the heart of the team which was a big factor in our success this season
Ainge probably just wanted to see how it played out this season

Crowder is a good player but I don't think he'd become the allstar player we need like butler is

I would definitely do the trade if it was just crowder + 2x 2016 1st rounders for butler
(I didn't check what contract butler is on so I don't know how it figures salary wise or length of contract)

[Celtics4ever]

Still hurt, and not playing the wimp card, like some did.   High ankle sprains are brutal, I have had one and it takes longer to heal than a break.   Sure you can walk around, and play but your not 100% for weeks.

[nickagneta]

Still hurt, and not playing the wimp card, like some did.   High ankle sprains are brutal, I have had one and it takes longer to heal than a break.   Sure you can walk around, and play but your not 100% for weeks.

This is straight up, right on. Ask any orthopedic surgeon, if you have a choice between breaking your ankle or having a bad sprain, you should want to have broken your ankle. A broken ankle will heal to 100% faster, it will require less physical therapy, and you will have less of a chance of a recurrence.

[walker834]

We need him though.  We are starting to get healthy.  We need to bring it at all times. We miss bradley at this point but we are going to need crowder if we are going to win the next 2. Smart has stepped up but we need other guys too whether its ko or crowder or sully or whoever.  Isaiah can't do it alone. Amir has been the lone bright spot and he's basically that because atlanta is paying so much attention to Isaiah.

It's b asically been Isaiah, Smart, Amir, jerebko with all decent playoffs so far or even matching their regular seasons.  Isaiah has a bad game we are toast. Everyone else has been a no show or playing below their abilities.

[Tr1boy]

Crowder is paid 6 million a year for a reason.

He is good defensive player but inconsistent on the offensive end. 

Had a good year but right now is the true set to determine if he is a legit starting material. And he is not

If shot doesn't fall (not a natural shooter), his other parts of the offensive game is predictable. Hawks taking away the right lane. Crowder has nowhere to go

[walker834]

That's the thing is we aren't good enough where Crowder and guys can be no shows. Isaiah is really the only star we have where we need more than just 3 guys contributing. Other guys need to chip in and find a way to contribute in other ways.  Playoffs or not. We need to play to our strengths. We dont have other star players right now.

Suddenly we are all hurt and guys can't play. 

[The One]

Hampered by injury.

[Vermont Green]

In Dallas, he averaged between 10 and 17 minutes per game.  That bumped up some when he came to Boston last season but this season he played 31.6 minutes/gm for the entire season (73 games).  Injury and generally adjusting to more playing time is my feeling.

[Evantime34]

Crowder was our best player before getting a high ankle sprain. Since he came back he is probably half the player he was before he got hurt. Next year he is going to come back 100% and improve upon the season he had last year.

If he is 100%, the Hawks would struggle to show IT as much defensive attention as he's been getting these playoffs.

[Donoghus]

Hampered by injury.

This. 

It's pretty apparent watching him move that he's not anywhere near 100% comfortable with himself.  That's impacting everything.  Especially his shot.

[walker834]

I agree he's not moving around so good but we aren't the same team without him.  He needs to find other ways to contribute  One other note is apparently  it shows Rj and young aren't near ready to contribute or stevens has no confidence in them when we'd rather roll out a gimpy crowder then them.

Hopefully ainge will address this this offseason because we need more talent at this spot.  I'm not saying we need jimmy butler but we need to improve our talent level because when jae goes down we have no one at sf apparently besides jerebko who is basically spelling everyone right now. sully, ko and crowder.  and smart and turner are spelling bradley and crowder too.

We lose Amir its the same thing.  We have zeller that's it.

[Ed Hollison]

See: Sprain, high ankle

[walker834]

See: Sprain, high ankle

No way? Like i didn't hear the other 5  people who already said this? I already knew he had a sprained ankle and was trying to delve deeper than that how we can rectify this going forward get him more involved or find other options.  We aren't g oing to increase our talent level right this second.  We need jae if we are going to beat the hawks.  I realize it's difficult to have these conversations  and I end up talking to myself.