CLNS Radio: Celtics Medical and Conditioning Staff Deserve Blame for Injuries

[eddies2010]

http://clnsradio.com/boston-celtics-news/item/13589-how-much-blame-does-the-boston-celtics-medical-staff-deserve-for-celtics-injuries

Interesting take here and I think it's fair game.  There's a lot of stuff in there that I didn't know. Pretty informative, even for real life.

[manl_lui]

this is interesting, and I agree with some of the points here. KG/Shaq's injury definitely stood out. Maybe because to this day, I firmly believe had that 2011 team been healthy, they would've beat any team in the league and be champions. I do remember that game in Detroit when Shaq who was given clearance to come back and play, came back and then being out the rest of the regular season, just to come back for ONE game against Miami, the only game we won in that series.

[Eddie20]

The gripes from fans have been: He doesn’t work hard enough.  But if the goal is fat loss, exercise shouldn’t be the primary means to achieve that goal.  Diet is.  I wouldn’t have to touch a dumbbell or a button on a treadmill for eternity, yet I could effortlessly quell excess fat gain as long as I wasn’t exceeding my own personal glycogen levels.

 

The Celtics, or Sullinger for that matter, apparently fail to understand this.  According to Sullinger himself, he spent the 2015 offseason working out every day and all day - an absolute foolish and clueless means of achieving optimal health as extended elevate heart rates do not allow for any recovery, destruct hormone levels, drain glycogen levels which spike sugar cravings, and lead to overtonis in the muscle cells.  There is literally nothing to be achieved out of what Sullinger was doing this past summer.  Cliches make Americans believe that the harder one works, the more they gain.  However cliches are not based upon science and the science in this leads completely the other way.

A few things I don't agree with though. The glycogen part at the beginning is odd. That's just glucose, which is your body's preferred source of energy. However, you can easily implement a keto type diet (cyclic ones probably being the best), where your body will use ketones for energy use, since it's completely depleted of glucose, and you will lose fat. Perhaps that's not optimal for muscle fullness (your body can hold roughly 2.7 grams of water per gram of carb) or performance, but for sheer fat loss it works very well for a lot of people.

Sullinger is a classic endomorph. He needs to watch his carb intake, as he is likely carb resistant, and implement carbs (of the low glycemic variety) in a peri-nutrition style (pre, post, and during training). When he's not active he needs to eliminate carbs and instead have good fats (no sat or trans) and veggies (obviously along with protein) since fat and fiber slows down the rate of absorption.

This isn't rocket science. It's very simple, but you need to track your macros, weigh foods, time your meals, and have a plan. It's called being a professional.

[dannyboy35]

Sullinger needs to put the Doritos down. Look at these people from the biggest loser type shows. He's s disgrace when he's getting paid millions. I have no respect for him as a teammate and I think he hasn't deserved a minute all season. I don't care about his output. People want a winning culture? Set an example. Sully let us down. Other guys busted their humps.

[Evantime34]

I'm a LHR fan. I listen to the podcast every week, and think he really does a great job interviewing guests.

However, when he talks about diet and nutrition he comes off as that guy who now does paleo and suddenly thinks he knows everything about diet and exercise. I agree that just exercising a ton without dieting is a terrible way to lose weight, but I think Sully's issues have more to do with him not following the team's diet plan rather than them giving him a poor plan.

On Crowder, he acts like they pushed him back early, where it's more likely he was pushing the training staff to let him come back early. It's really hard to keep a guy out if he can play, wants to play and the team needs him. If anyone is to blame for Crowder coming back early, it's Crowder.

In general I this team was pretty healthy this year and I could do without LHR talking about the training staff as if he had a masters in nutrition.

[LHR]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

[Evantime34]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

[loco_91]

I 100% agree with this article. Avery Bradley's hamstring pull was a classical example of a preventable injury. This type of injury results from dehydration and improper stretching. It does not result from random bad luck, or from bad genetics, or from awkward falls. Avery was just running down the court - not even sprinting. I also agree 100% with the assessment that Sully's inability to lose weight is partly the fault of the training staff. They're right - you don't lose weight by exercising all day, you do it with moderate exercise + strict dieting. And what's this news that Crowder might require surgery? If that's true, then it's the most [dang]ing thing of all.

The fields of nutrition and sports science are FULL of quacks. C's management need to make sure that they aren't drinking some pseudoscience coolaid peddled by know-nothings with a track record of failure.

[loco_91]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

Of course he's going to say that. Job of training staff is to know better and put their foot down. Doesn't matter if they are ignorant or spineless, result is the same.

[hwangjini_1]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

Of course he's going to say that. Job of training staff is to know better and put their foot down. Doesn't matter if they are ignorant or spineless, result is the same.

or they might of honestly miscalculated and pushed things too far. legitimate reasons than character flaws are possible.

[LHR]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

Yeah Powe suggested that to me.  Doesn't matter though: The brass needs to make the appropriate call.  Obviously they didn't do so when they (or Jae...doesn't matter who) brought him back against the Blazers and his ankle flared up to the point he had to miss more time and now he's clearly laboring.  If he needs surgery this summer, I'll be pretty upset as a fan.

[Evantime34]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

Yeah Powe suggested that to me.  Doesn't matter though: The brass needs to make the appropriate call.  Obviously they didn't do so when they (or Jae...doesn't matter who) brought him back against the Blazers and his ankle flared up to the point he had to miss more time and now he's clearly laboring.  If he needs surgery this summer, I'll be pretty upset as a fan.

Before the game against the Blazers it was reported that he was only going to play in one of the next two games. So he played against the Blazers then sat against the Warriors, I don't think it was a case of his ankle flairing up and him not playing the next night.

I personally blame bad luck on the injuries at the end of the season, considering during the year they were one of the healthiest teams in the league.

[LHR]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

Yeah Powe suggested that to me.  Doesn't matter though: The brass needs to make the appropriate call.  Obviously they didn't do so when they (or Jae...doesn't matter who) brought him back against the Blazers and his ankle flared up to the point he had to miss more time and now he's clearly laboring.  If he needs surgery this summer, I'll be pretty upset as a fan.

Before the game against the Blazers it was reported that he was only going to play in one of the next two games. So he played against the Blazers then sat against the Warriors, I don't think it was a case of his ankle flairing up and him not playing the next night.

I personally blame bad luck on the injuries at the end of the season, considering during the year they were one of the healthiest teams in the league.

TP but that was only the case if there was a setback, but there was.  He wasn't even on the injury report going into the Golden State game and was supposed to play.  He was a late scratch.  He was hurt then and hurt now.

[Evantime34]

Honestly rushing Crowder back and not resting guys down the stretch - the aftermath of the Game 2 debacle yesterday really got me hot.

Are you sure that Crowder wasn't the driving factor behind him rushing back. It's hard to rest a guy when he says he's good to go.

Yeah Powe suggested that to me.  Doesn't matter though: The brass needs to make the appropriate call.  Obviously they didn't do so when they (or Jae...doesn't matter who) brought him back against the Blazers and his ankle flared up to the point he had to miss more time and now he's clearly laboring.  If he needs surgery this summer, I'll be pretty upset as a fan.

Before the game against the Blazers it was reported that he was only going to play in one of the next two games. So he played against the Blazers then sat against the Warriors, I don't think it was a case of his ankle flairing up and him not playing the next night.

I personally blame bad luck on the injuries at the end of the season, considering during the year they were one of the healthiest teams in the league.

TP but that was only the case if there was a setback, but there was.  He wasn't even on the injury report going into the Golden State game and was supposed to play.  He was a late scratch.  He was hurt then and hurt now.

I don't agree that he was a late scratch, it was always the plan for him to play in one of those games. Here is an article from before the Portland game.

Still, there is some doubt as to whether Crowder will play against the Trail Blazers, and that doubt is due to Boston’s schedule. The Celtics are slated to take on the Blazers tonight and then fly to the Bay Area to take on the Golden State Warriors Friday night. Crowder says that he, Brad Stevens and the medical staff have discussed the potential of him playing in only one of those games.

It was always the plan for him to play in only one of these games.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/news/sidebar/shoot-033116-all-signs-point-toward-crowder-returning-tonight

[Chief]

I 100 % agree and have been saying it myself for years.