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Chad Ford 6.0
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Murray, Skal, Zizic. I'm good with that.

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Now that we have a better idea of the final draft order, which NBA prospect will each team draft?

The draft lottery odds are set for every team that holds a lottery pick, leading up to the May 17 NBA lottery. Also, the draft order for every team that made the playoffs is now in place.

We are starting to get a clearer picture of who is in and who is out of this year's draft.

So far, just two players in our top 30 -- Indiana's Thomas Bryant and Duke's Grayson Allen -- have indicated they are returning to school. Two others -- Cal's Jaylen Brown and Ivan Rabb -- are still on the fence.

Remember, this mock draft doesn't say where a player should go, but rather what each team in the draft would likely do with its pick.

Here's our latest full first-round mock draft (assuming every eligible prospect who has yet to state his intentions on the draft declares), after taking into account team needs, based on our discussions with NBA scouts and general managers.
1. Philadelphia 76ers

Ben Simmons
LSU
Freshman
Forward

The Sixers finally made it to the top of Tank Mountain. For the first time in three years, they have the worst record in the NBA and the best odds of winning the lottery.
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In fact, their odds are better than those of any team in recent memory thanks to a trade this summer that also allows them to swap picks with the Kings if Sacramento gets a higher pick. The Kings have a 1.9 percent chance of winning the lottery, upping the 76ers' odds to 26.9 percent.

If Philly gets the No. 1 pick? Well, that's where the debate begins.

With Sam Hinkie out and Bryan Colangelo at the helm, things could look very different. The last time Colangelo had the No. 1 pick, in Toronto, he took Andrea Bargnani with the top pick.

Sixers fans are hoping for much better results and they should get it whether the pick is Simmons or Duke forward Brandon Ingram. Ingram fits more of a need for the Sixers. Simmons has a higher upside.

I think the ceiling will likely win the debate, which is why Simmons is here, but as we get more familiar with what's happening in Philly, that could change.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 26.9 percent, 10-72
2. Los Angeles Lakers*

Brandon Ingram
Duke
Freshman
Forward

Finishing with the second-worst record gives the Lakers a 56 percent chance of holding on to their draft pick. They just need it to land in the top three to keep it from the Sixers due to a previous trade involving Steve Nash.

With Kobe Bryant now off to retirement, they need a superstar, and either Simmons or Ingram would be a really good fit. Simmons could be off the board, but Ingram should be able to step right in and provide shooting and the ability to defend multiple positions. He's thin, but there's a lot of talent there.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 19.9 percent, 17-65
3. Boston Celtics*

Jamal Murray
Kentucky
Freshman
Guard

A late season swoon by the Nets upped the Celtics' chances of winning the lottery to 15.6 percent chance (due to the trade that sent Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce to Brooklyn). Given that the team just won 48 games, landing a top-three pick could turn them into contenders next year.
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With Simmons and Ingram off the board, the Celtics can turn to need. Another consistent shooter in the backcourt could help and I think they'll have a tough decision to make between Murray and Buddy Hield.

While Hield's a better player now, Murray is three years younger and can play point guard. And the good news is that he's NBA ready from the get go.

Add him to the mix with Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley and Isaiah Thomas and the Celtics will have one of the best young backcourts in the NBA.

Odds of winning lottery, record (via Nets): 15.6 percent, 21-69
4. Phoenix Suns

Dragan Bender
Croatia
Age: 18
Forward/center

The Suns are loaded at the guard spot, so Bender continues to look like an obvious fit in the wake of the Markieff Morris trade. His minutes have (once again) dropped off for Maccabi Tel Aviv. Still, his upside is clear.

However, I have noticed scouts starting to show signs of doubts about Bender after making the trip to Israel to watch him. While he has the requisite size, athleticism and skill set, they wonder if he's further away than they thought.

That's caused Murray to pass him on our board and it's not out of the question that Henry Ellenson passes him too.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 11.9 percent, 23-59
5. Minnesota Timberwolves

Henry Ellenson
Marquette
Freshman
Forward/center

The Wolves have started searching for a new GM and head coach, so it's unclear exactly what their preference will be if they land at No. 5.

Ellenson would fit a major need for them as a stretch-4 who could play next to Karl-Anthony Towns.

Ellenson had a terrific freshman season at Marquette. He can rebound, shoot 3s and run the floor. He'd be a great fit between Towns and Andrew Wiggins.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 8.8 percent, 29-53
6. New Orleans Pelicans

Buddy Hield
Oklahoma
Senior
Guard

This may be Hield's floor. He should be in the mix for Boston and Minnesota, and I think it will be hard for the Pelicans to pass on him if he's still on the board.

Eric Gordon is a free agent this summer, Anthony Davis could really use a sniper on the perimeter and, given the entire direction of the Pelicans, I think they want an NBA-ready player. With coach Alvin Gentry running this offense, I think it's the perfect fit for Hield and New Orleans.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 6.3 percent, 30-52
7. Denver Nuggets*

Jaylen Brown
Cal
Freshman
Forward

The Nuggets would get this pick from the Knicks as long as it falls higher in the draft than their own selection, after the lottery drawing.

Brown's NBA body and elite athleticism make him an intriguing prospect despite the fact that he had an up-and-down freshman year at Cal. He really looks like a power forward who is just two to three inches too short.

He needs to become a much better shooter, but most scouts believe he'll be a better pro than a college player.

Odds of winning lottery, record (New York): 4.3 percent, 32-50
8. Sacramento Kings*

Kris Dunn
Providence
Junior
Guard

Rajon Rondo is a free agent this summer, which means he might not be back in a Kings uniform next season.

Dunn has a case for being the best point guard in the draft. He's quick, sees the floor well and has good size for the position. He's not a lights out shooter and can be turnover prone, but he should be a good long-term fit in Sacramento.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 1.9 percent, 33-49 (if this happens, the No. 1 pick goes to Philadelphia in a pick swap)
9. Toronto Raptors*

Marquese Chriss
Washington
Freshman
Forward

The Raptors' biggest hole is at power forward, and general manager Masai Ujiri has never been shy about swinging for the fences.

Chriss has as much upside as anyone in the draft not named Simmons or Ingram. He's an athletic big who can shoot and protect the rim.

He would be a great fit in Toronto, as long as fans can be patient. Chriss is inconsistent, and there is some bust potential. But he's worth the risk here.

Odds of winning lottery, record (Denver): 1.9 percent, 33-49 (if this happens, the No. 1 pick goes to the Nuggets in a pick swap)
10. Milwaukee Bucks

Jakob Poeltl
Utah
Sophomore
Center

The Bucks suffered defensively with Greg Monroe in the middle and will likely look to see what they can get on the trade market this summer. Even if they keep him, Poeltl -- the No. 1 rated center on our Board -- seems like a good fit. He's a fluid athlete with great hands who rebounds and protects the rim. He needs to get stronger, but he's a good value at No. 10.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 1.8 percent, 33-49
11. Orlando Magic

Ivan Rabb
Cal
Freshman
Forward/center

There are questions about whether Rabb will ultimately declare for the draft. There is evidence that he's seriously eyeing a return to Cal for his sophomore season.

If he does end up in the draft, he seems like a good fit in Orlando -- despite the fact that they have both Aaron Gordon and Andrew Nicholson at the position. Rabb is bigger and a better rebounder and has some terrific upside if his body ever fills out.

Given the dearth of talent after the first 10 prospects are off the board, he's a good pick at No. 11.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 0.8 percent, 35-47
12. Utah Jazz

Furkan Korkmaz
Turkey
Age: 18
Shooting guard

I'm not sure the Jazz really need much help, especially from rookies. Their roster is already loaded. If anyone in the lottery were to trade their pick, I think they'd be the most likely candidate (with the Kings a close second).

If Utah does keep the pick, taking a sharpshooter like Korkmaz -- especially if he's willing to continue to stay overseas and develop -- seems like a smart move. He's a work in progress, but has the right size and shooting range to be a valuable addition to the Jazz down the road.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 0.7 percent, 40-42
13. Phoenix Suns*

Denzel Valentine
Michigan State
Senior
Forward/guard

The Suns will land this pick from Washington via the Markieff Morris trade as long as the Wizards don't win one of the top three lottery spots.

In this mock draft, they grabbed a stretch big man with their first pick, and I think Valentine would be awesome as a second pick.

His high basketball IQ and passing ability would make him a really nice fit at the small forward position. The ability to come right in and contribute is an added bonus.

Odds of winning lottery, record (Washington): 0.6 percent, 41-41
14. Chicago Bulls

Tyler Ulis
Kentucky
Sophomore
Guard

The Bulls have several needs, but point guard seems to be the most pressing. Yes, they might still holding onto hope that Derrick Rose can still be the guy, but they really need help behind him.

Ulis is small -- but, man, can he play. He has terrific court vision and speed and a great feel for the game. As a backup to Rose, he'd be perfect in Chicago.

Odds of winning lottery, record: 0.5 percent, 42-40
15. Denver Nuggets*

Deyonta Davis
Michigan State
Freshman
Forward

Making the playoffs on the last night of the season got the Rockets a playoff date with the Golden State Warriors, but it cost them their first-round pick this year. I'm not sure the privilege of losing four straight times to the Warriors is worth it.

For the Nuggets, Davis gives them a second elite athlete to add to the squad. He is a terrific shot-blocker and defender and has an emerging mid-range game. He's still a bit raw offensively, but he's good value here.

Record (Houston): 41-41
16. Boston Celtics*

Skal Labissiere
Kentucky
Freshman
Center/forward

Celtics GM Danny Ainge is never afraid to take risks and at this point in the draft, Labissiere's rewards begin to outweigh his weaknesses. Brad Stevens knows how to get the best out of people, they've already had luck with stretch bigs like Kelly Olynyk, and Labissiere's ability to protect the rim is a needed commodity in Boston.

He clearly has some bust potential, but I think Labissiere could also still turn into a real talent with the right development. The Celtics have a great D-League franchise to begin that develeopment. It seems like a really good fit.

Record (Dallas): 42-40
17. Memphis Grizzlies

Domantas Sabonis
Gonzaga
Sophomore
Forward

Sabonis is tough, rebounds, passes well and does the little things that help teams win. He's not a great athlete, nor a great defender, but the Grizzlies have had a lot of success with Zach Randolph in the past. Sabonis has some of that potential.

Record: 42-40
18. Detroit Pistons

Demetrius Jackson
Notre Dame
Junior
Guard

The Pistons don't really have a great backup point guard for next season behind Reggie Jackson, so why not go with yet another Jackson?

Demetrius Jackson is athletic, defends and shows a good balance between scoring and passing the basketball. He may not be an elite starter, but should do a good job coming off the bench.

Record: 44-38
19. Denver Nuggets*

Timothe Luwawu
France
Age: 20
Guard/forward

This is the third pick for the Nuggets, and Luwawu is worth a a draft-and-stash selection. His defensive ability has always been coveted by teams, but he's added a consistent 3-point shot this year that has helped him convince teams he could be a 3-and-D player in the NBA.

While he has the ability to come to the NBA this season, another year or two overseas might be in both Luwawu's and the Nuggets' interests.

Record (Portland): 44-38
20. Indiana Pacers

Diamond Stone
Maryland
Freshman
Center

I actually think Stone could be a nice complement to Myles Turner on the Pacers front line. While Turner is a better shot-blocker and can stretch the floor, Stone is a beast in the paint. He may play below the rim, but pairing him next to Turner should hide some of those weaknesses.

Record: 45-37
21. Atlanta Hawks

Jonathan Jeanne
France
Age: 18
Center/forward

At this point you start drafting for value, and at No. 21 Jeanne has terrific upside. He's not ready -- not by a long shot -- but with a 7-foot-7 wingspan and basketball skills, he's 25 to 30 pounds away from being a legit prospect.

At this point the Hawks will just have to be patient. But he's worth the patience.

Record: 48-34
22. Charlotte Hornets

Wade Baldwin IV
Vanderbilt
Sophomore
Guard

Kemba Walker and Jeremy Lin have been holding down the fort well in Charlotte, but Baldwin can bring more size and strength and a terrific 3-point shot.

Record: 48-34
23. Boston Celtics

Ante Zizic
Croatia
Age: 19
Center

This is the third first-round pick for the Celtics and gives Ainge a chance to do a draft-and-stash.

Many scouts feel that after Bender and Korkmaz are off the board, Zizic is the best international prospect in the draft. He is an elite rebounder and excellent athlete for his size. In fact, he's good enough that the Celtics could decide he could help their team right away.

Record: 48-34
24. Philadelphia 76ers*

Dejounte Murray
Washington
Freshman
Guard

Murray may have as much upside as any point guard in the draft after Jamal Murray and Dunn are off the board. He's got great size, toughness and a knack for seeing the floor. He also can be wild, and his jump shot is erratic.

Murray has bust potential, but he also carries some of the ingredients to be a star at the next level if he develops. That's exactly the type of player the Sixers need to find right now.

Record (Miami): 48-34
25. Los Angeles Clippers

DeAndre Bembry
St. Joseph's
Junior
Forward

Bembry is both athletic and a terrific playmaker at his size. His lack of a jump shot is the only thing from keeping him going much higher.

Still, his passing ability is so good at his size that he's tough to pass on. Big playmakers are all the rage these days in the NBA.

Record: 53-29
26. Philadelphia 76ers*

Thon Maker
Australia
Age: 19
Forward

The 76ers can still afford to take a few risks. This is their third pick in the first round and Maker is worth a risk here.

He's got the size and the motor to be a terrific NBA player, and his jump shot and perimeter skills are coming along, too. He's still painfully thin and doesn't have a strong feel for the game, but a year with the Delaware 76ers would do him good.

Record (Oklahoma City): 55-27
27. Toronto Raptors

Cheick Diallo
Kansas
Freshman
Forward

Diallo didn't really do much at Kansas this year, but that won't stop a team like the Raptors from grabbing him.

He is tough and athletic, and he might have the best motor in the draft. He's very, very raw. But had he stayed in school another year, he probably would have been a lottery pick. That makes him good value here.

Projected record: 56-26
28. Phoenix Suns*

Guerschon Yabusele
France
Age: 20
Forward

A number of scouts at the Nike Hoop Summit mention Yabusele as an underrated prospect who could sneak into the first round. He's a strong, athletic forward who is surprisingly nimble and skilled for someone his size. He's a bit undersized for his position, though his wingspan makes up for some of that.

He's averaging 9.6 PPG, 6.6 RPG and shooting 41 percent from 3 in 27 MPG for Rouen this season. The Suns should have three picks this draft. They won't want to keep all three in the NBA. Yabusele is another solid draft-and-stash candidate.

Record (Cleveland): 57-25
29. San Antonio Spurs

Josh Hart
Villanova
Junior
Guard

Hart's terrific play in the NCAA tournament finally got him the recognition he long deserved.

He is strong and a terrific rebounder for his size. He can defend multiple positions and has a solid 3-point shot. He should really excel in San Antonio.

Record: 67-15
30. Golden State Warriors

Stephen Zimmerman
UNLV
Freshman
Center

Zimmerman isn't ready, but the Warriors won't care. He's skilled as both a passer and shooter, making him a great fit on their D-League team, for now.

But over time, he could be a very valuable get at this point in the draft.

Projected record: 73-9
*Traded picks

No. 2: The Lakers will send their first-round pick to the 76ers if it falls between 4 and 30. ... No. 3: The Nets will send their first-round pick to the Celtics. ... No. 7: The Nuggets have the right to swap first-round picks with the Knicks. Toronto gets the worse of the two picks. ... No. 8: The Kings will send their first-round pick to the Bulls if it falls between 11 and 30. Also, the Sixers can swap first-round picks with the Kings if the Kings' pick falls between 1 and 10. ... No. 9: The Knicks will send a first-round pick to the Raptors (either their own or the Nuggets, see No. 7). ... No. 13: The Wizards will send their first-round pick to the Suns if it falls between 10 and 30. ... No. 15: The Rockets will send their first round-pick to the Nuggets if it falls between 15 and 30. ... No. 16: The Mavericks will send their first-round pick to the Celtics if it falls between 8 and 30. ... No. 18: The Blazers will send their first-round pick to the Nuggets if it falls between 15 and 30. ... No. 24: The Heat will send their first-round pick to the 76ers if it falls between 11 and 30. ... No. 26: The Thunder will send their first-round pick to the 76ers if it falls between 16 and 30. ... No. 28: The Cavs will send their first-round pick to the Suns if it falls between 11 and 30.

Re: Chad Ford 6.0
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2016, 10:33:27 PM »

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I am not a fan of Chad Ford.  We don't need Murray. We have Marcus who is a better defender.  Skal is good but not sure he is the answer for us at center. I don't even know who Zizic is but if i were to look I'm guessing Chad Ford is wrong there too.

Skal Labissiere won't be there at 16 either.

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I'm ok with Murray and Skal (if he would still be available).

I wouldnt skip Thon Maker for Zizic though.

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I am not a fan of Chad Ford.  We don't need Murray. We have Marcus who is a better defender.  Skal is good but not sure he is the answer for us at center. I don't even know who Zizic is but if i were to look I'm guessing Chad Ford is wrong there too.

Skal Labissiere won't be there at 16 either.
you might want to check out zizic on draftexpress.com. he is an interesting player for later in the draft.
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I'm not in love with Murray. I guess I'd be okay with him at #3, but definitely not thrilled.
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After tonight, I think we need to either trade or draft some bigs.    We can take Murray but trade a present guard for a proven big. 

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I'm not in love with Murray. I guess I'd be okay with him at #3, but definitely not thrilled.
if we don't climb a spot or 2 in the draft, I'll all for using the pick in a trade for an all-star.  hopefully it'll keep us from having to include too much established talent to get that player

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I am not a fan of Chad Ford.  We don't need Murray. We have Marcus who is a better defender.  Skal is good but not sure he is the answer for us at center. I don't even know who Zizic is but if i were to look I'm guessing Chad Ford is wrong there too.

Skal Labissiere won't be there at 16 either.
you might want to check out zizic on draftexpress.com. he is an interesting player for later in the draft.

Nope. just watched highlights. The first highlight was him hanging on the rim.  Then he did it again and I shut it off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OV5JGP5feU

These are the type of prospects i don't like.  It's typical chad ford cole aldrich mediocre big man crap.   

he does run the floor pretty good and has good muscle tone and definition.   He's Arnold playing basketball. 

Weird thing is I did like Tyler Zeller though.  He was pretty nifty in space though. Also didn't mind Steven Adams.  But all in all these guys are pretty mediocre.

Every so often there is a Rony Seikely in there.  Watching him run up and down reminds me of that a bit, but a lot of what he is doing can't be done at the pro level unless he is truly special.
 
Regardless of if he is that or not which he isn't, I still wouldn't draft him.  Most of his highlights are clean lanes to the basket and dunks where is unguarded.  He loves to hang on the rim. 

This video is no different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVsXmmCFVcA

He looks like he is in the best shape of his life.  Be wary of the workout warriors looking for a contract.

Chad Ford loves to hype up players like this.
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