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[wayupnorth]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

You've had different experiences than I have. I think there are plenty of good ones, but a disproportionately high number of sleazy ones.

I don't disagree about eviction laws. I just think that there are plenty of landlords trying to make a sleazy and illegal book off good tenants.

As a group, who is sleazier, landlords or lawyers?

Shots fired!

[SHAQATTACK]

bring him home Danny.

Agree .    Nothing that would put the brakes on signing him . 


I don't blame him for getting high ......that dis functional organization might caused me to do the same......or worse.

LOL .....

[Roy H.]

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Does your opinion of him change if he insists on fighting this in court and loses instead of paying the bill and moving on?

Not really. The damages seem inflated to me. He has a right to contest them.

He obviously owes something. I suppose if ultimately he's a total deadbeat and does nothing to make things right, then it's an issue. I've dealt with too many landlords professionally and personally to take their word on anything, though. Just from my experience, their collective character ranks somewhere around the same level as "strip club owner".

As a landlord who owns and rents a number of his own units, I take offense to this. I personally make my own renovations and clean up after tenants when they leave. It is true that this particular landlord is obviously exaggerating charges because he has an NBA player on the hook for damages and knows he can pay, but too often I am left with a unit that has been trashed with no way to collect any money for damages.

And don't even get me started on evictions. You can give a tenant many opportunities to make good on their rent and they will still take advantage of you when it comes down to it. Being unable to collect money for months of unpaid rent because the disadvantaged tenant has nowhere to go and no way to pay should be the government's problem, not the landlord's, as they are the ones who have set up these asinine housing laws.

The perception of landlords is unfair in this country.

You've had different experiences than I have. I think there are plenty of good ones, but a disproportionately high number of sleazy ones.

I don't disagree about eviction laws. I just think that there are plenty of landlords trying to make a sleazy and illegal book off good tenants.

As a group, who is sleazier, landlords or lawyers?

Shots fired!

Have you ever met a sleazy attorney? I'm doubtful. I've met dozens of sleazy landlords.

Attorneys are the one occupation where the profession as a whole is penalized for being clever. Until, of course, somebody needs to hire us. Then we're saviors, at least until you don't need us anymore.

To answer your question: Easily landlords. Sleazy lawyers get disbarred.

[KGs Knee]

A lawyer, an accountant, and a landlord walk into a bar...

Bartender says, "well, at least you're not used car salesmen".

[PhoSita]

This doesn't bother me that much. He's an underage kid living like a pig. Is that a character concern?

The "threat" seems more like a dumb prank.  The sensationalistic writing makes this sound like a big deal, but the pics were underwhelming.

He'll pay the bill and move on.

Agreed. I suspect many of us who spent time working as RAs in college wont find this story particularly surprising.

It's not surprising, but he does come off as a jerk. Also, he seems very careless, haha.

Well, yeah, he's a guy in his early 20s making millions of dollars a year and spending most of his life on the road, playing basketball, or blowing off steam in the little time he gets to spend at home.

None of this is surprising, and it's not news.  Should have zero effect on his trade value whatsoever.


Anybody here spent time living with a college athlete?  I have.  Nightmare.  At least nobody has to share an apartment with Noel.  That's the story here.

[PhoSita]

Have you ever met a sleazy attorney? I'm doubtful. I've met dozens of sleazy landlords.

Attorneys are the one occupation where the profession as a whole is penalized for being clever. Until, of course, somebody needs to hire us. Then we're saviors, at least until you don't need us anymore.

To answer your question: Easily landlords. Sleazy lawyers get disbarred.

Lawyers rub people the wrong way because sometimes the whole "zealously represent your client's interests thing" can look like pushing every possible advantage and exploring every avenue in the course of discovery or to gain an advantage in negotiation or whatever.  Which makes the lawyer look like a jerk.  And it's a profession that often attracts people who aren't the warmest people in the world to begin with.

The common wheeze is that lawyers lie.  Lawyers don't lie because lying gets you disbarred.  Lawyers are trained to tell the truth in the most strategic way possible, which to normal people can be even more frustrating than lying.


Landlords take an entrepreneurial attitude to an industry that involves providing housing to people who don't have the resources to buy property for themselves.  So that gets ugly fast, especially when they're renting to people who have little incentive to treat a place well, or people who don't have the resources or the education to advocate on their own behalf when it comes to violation of landlord tenant law and housing code.

[Donoghus]

A lawyer, an accountant, and a landlord walk into a bar...

Bartender says, "well, at least you're not used car salesmen".

Oh, so now us accountants get lumped in with them too?

 

[wdleehi]

A lawyer, an accountant, and a landlord walk into a bar...

Bartender says, "well, at least you're not used car salesmen".

Oh, so now us accountants get lumped in with them too?

 

But still a step over used car salesmen....for the moment. 

[wdleehi]

As for the story, not a big deal in terms of the NBA. 



I would still be happy if he could be added to the team as a piece. 

[jambr380]

This is going down a slippery slope. As far as I'm concerned, one of the legends of CB is being fairly prejudiced toward an occupation to which I personally devote my life. I go above and beyond expectations to make my tenants happy even though I sometimes/often get slammed in the end.

If both parties hold up their end of the bargain (landlords make timely repairs and tenants pay their rent / treat their home with respect), then there is no issue.

Some out there also think that housing is a right; if this is the case, then the government needs to get more involved with making sure landlords aren't getting screwed. If an individual steals a '97 Toyota Corolla, they are likely going to jail for a period of time. If an individual gets evicted and cheats a landlord out of costs associated with the eviction plus several months of rent, nothing happens and the landlord is often not ever compensated anything for the thousands of dollars lost. It is just not right.

[Dino Pitino]

The common wheeze is that lawyers lie.  Lawyers don't lie because lying gets you disbarred.  Lawyers are trained to tell the truth in the most strategic way possible, which to normal people can be even more frustrating than lying.

Haaaaaaaahahahahaha...ahahahaaaaaahaha.

[PhoSita]

This is going down a slippery slope. As far as I'm concerned, one of the legends of CB is being fairly prejudiced toward an occupation to which I personally devote my life. I go above and beyond expectations to make my tenants happy even though I sometimes/often get slammed in the end.

If both parties hold up their end of the bargain (landlords make timely repairs and tenants pay their rent / treat their home with respect), then there is no issue.

Some out there also think that housing is a right; if this is the case, then the government needs to get more involved with making sure landlords aren't getting screwed. If an individual steals a '97 Toyota Corolla, they are likely going to jail for a period of time. If an individual gets evicted and cheats a landlord out of costs associated with the eviction plus several months of rent, nothing happens and the landlord is often not ever compensated anything for the thousands of dollars lost. It is just not right.

I'd say lawyers, accountants, landlords all have at least one thing in common --- a small minority of the profession colors the perception of the public regarding pretty much the entire profession.


There are good landlords that care deeply about their tenants and doing their job well; there are lawyers who tirelessly advocate for the poor and downtrodden and get no credit or monetary gain for doing so.

[Dino Pitino]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel's steals and blocks look not only a lot better, but special. That's why Noel is a more valuable prospect than Sullinger was. Because Noel can actually be a special defender, a future DPOY. At center. Meanwhile the slight advantage in assists doesn't reflect how good of a passer Noel is.

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

What you're basically doing is showing how undervalued Sullinger was at that age. Maybe he would've been almost as valuable a commodity back then as Noel is now, if he weren't out of shape, if he didn't have a weird skeletal thing...if he hadn't assaulted his girlfriend, ahem. But we should at least be thankful he never stained a carpet or dented a dishwasher or damaged a window screen, because then his trade value would've been destroyed and we would've been forced to waive him. Can't have drink-spilling monsters on the team.

[jpotter33]

Being a former landlord I agree with everything jmbr380 said.  After reading the article no matter how exaggerated I don't believe Danny will want Noel.  The C's have good character players on their team and play hard together.  I say don't bring in a bad apple.

This team employs Jared Sullinger and Marcus Smart. Depending on who you ask, the claim of the Celtics only looking for "good character players" is dubious.

I'm curious, how do you justify claiming that Smart doesn't have a good character? Sure, he's passionate on the floor and that's gotten him into some trouble at times, but that's a far reach to say that that qualifies him as having a questionable character, especially given that he has all of the trademarks of a "good basketball character," i.e. team-first mentality, ridiculous work ethic, etc.

If you're talking about the incident with him shoving the fan, then I think that's an extension of the above. Further, I don't blame Smart if his claims were true that the guy lobbed the "N Word" at him. I would've whooped that guy's arse if it was me, and I think standing up for oneself is just as much a part of a good character as any other characteristic.

We're talking about a kid that has actually "made it" from very humble beginnings. Hell, he just started a foundation a couple of days ago for underprivileged kids that dealt with a lot of things that he had to growing up. That's a second-year player doing that, so I think your claim that he doesn't have a good character is completely off-base.

[MBunge]

Lol he had 17 points 11 rebounds, 2 steals and 2 blocks tonight, but clearly he's untradeable.

At 21, Nerlans is averaging 11 points and 8 rebounds a game.

At 21, Jared Sullinger averaged 13.3 points and 8.1 rebounds a game.

How many people were beating down Ainge's door to trade for 21-year-old Sully?  How many were offering veteran all stars or top 5 lottery picks?

Mike

Noel is not overweight with a post-surgery spine.

But still putting up worse numbers on a worse team.

Mike

Also numbers: FG% and blocks and steals and assists.

Which you didn't bother to look at.

21-year-old Noel: 52% 2 PF fg, 1.8 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.5 blks, 2.4 turnovers.

21-year-old Sully: 47% 2 pt fg, 1.6 assists, .5 steals, .7 blks, 1.6 turnovers.

So, better shooting percentage for Noel but balanced out by Sully being the one who can, you know, actually shoot a jump shot.  Assists basically a wash but Noel has more turnovers.  Noel's steals and block numbers look a lot better, but what do we see with more advanced analytics?

Noel's steals and blocks look not only a lot better, but special. That's why Noel is a more valuable prospect than Sullinger was. Because Noel can actually be a special defender, a future DPOY. At center. Meanwhile the slight advantage in assists doesn't reflect how good of a passer Noel is.

Noel - PER 16.2, Offensive Win Share .1, Defensive Win Share 2.6.

Sully - PER 16.4, Offensive Win Share 1.9, Defensive Win Share 2.

So, Noel is the better defender but terrible on offense.  Sully is still a reasonably good defender, comparatively, and is practically Michael Jordan on offense when compared to Noel.

Yeah, I'm sure GMs are just lining up to give Philly anything they want for Noel.

Mike

What you're basically doing is showing how undervalued Sullinger was at that age. Maybe he would've been almost as valuable a commodity back then as Noel is now, if he weren't out of shape, if he didn't have a weird skeletal thing...if he hadn't assaulted his girlfriend, ahem. But we should at least be thankful he never stained a carpet or dented a dishwasher or damaged a window screen, because then his trade value would've been destroyed and we would've been forced to waive him. Can't have drink-spilling monsters on the team.

Can't really argue with the "he's special" claim.  Wins don't matter.  Stats don't matter.  Even the eye test doesn't matter.  Noel is "special" just because he is, much like Hinkie is a genius just because he is.  I'm sure whomever gets the #1 pick this year is hoping that will be enough to pry Noel away from Philly.

Mike