Do not trust hield

[PhoSita]

I think it's entirely possible Jaylen Brown ends up playing really well in the NBA, I just have no confidence in that.  I just don't know what he does at the college level that will definitely translate to the NBA, other than finishing in fast break situations and possibly rebounding.

He's got great tools, but perimeter guys without elite perimeter defense, point guard skills, or off-ball shooting don't have an obvious path to a role in the NBA.

Part of the lure of Brown (and what I will mutter to myself as a cry in the corner if we pick him) is that he has the potential to be an elite perimeter defender.

He reminds me a lot of Stanley Johnson, only Johnson was a better shooter and Brown is more athletic and finishes a lot better at the rim.

Stanley Johnson passed the eye test for me, Jaylen Brown didn't.  Even in highlight reels, Brown looks like a single minded slasher, e.g. Tyreke Evans, without the exceptional finesse in getting to the rim or finishing. 

[IDreamCeltics]

Some other names I pulled up on Sports-Reference.com:

- Guard / Guard Forward
- Senior season
- >= 20 points per game
- >= 4 free throw attempts per game
- >= 2.5 three pointers made per game
- >= 60% True Shooting


- Buddy Hield
- J.J. Redick
- Dan Dickau
- Troy Bell
- C.J. McCollum
- Juan Dixon
- Keith McLeod

A bunch of other names came up, most of them are white guys and players well under 6' who played mostly overseas or in the D-League.

This reinforces my feeling that with Hield, you can feel confident you're getting a valuable scoring weapon at SG, but probably not a cornerstone of your team building plan. 

For me that puts him in the mix with Jakob Poeltl and Kris Dunn in the 5-7 range, but if I'm picking at 3 or 4, I want to take Murray.  I might even take a big gulp and draft Bender.  I'd take him over Jaylen Brown every day of the week, though.  At least I'm confident he will have a role in the NBA.

JJ is shooting .470% from three this season and has an eFG% of .588.  I'd take Buddy 1st overall if I thought he could play off the ball and hit shots at that kind of efficiency.  It's a short list of guys in the NBA that can do that.

 
 

Look, I like Redick a lot.  It's really valuable to have a guy with that skillset on your team.

At the same time, he mostly relies on others to create for him and doesn't do a lot other than shoot the lights out.  Again, valuable skillset, but I think #1 overall for an elite role player would be a major reach.

What if that elite roleplayer was Klay Thompson?  Would you still pass on him?

[Silent Storm]

I see all these posts around...i want hield, i want hield...why? Stevens has developed a team character.. defensive one.. we have thomas bradley and smart... will hield play more than 10 min per night? I do not think so... we need to help crowder.. and some quality bigs..
Brown ingramm simmons skai maker jones stone poetl valentine are players i like...
Hield is just a good scorer... a senior one who was playing against many younger, more inexperient opponents.. his upside is not high..

So, you're saying we should yield on Hield?

[HuskerCeltic]

The "what is going to happen this summer" is my favorite topic and why I come to this forum.

I like Hield. Is IT a one way offence only player? I think so. and we would be lost without him. We neeeeeed shooters on this team. Our offence is lost when IT and Turner are out at the same time. Sure D is our trademark right now, but the vision is closer to the Spurs which means balance.

Another thing, we may not completely turn our roster over this year but there is no way we are going into next year without some major movements. Fireworks are a must this off-season. I don't see DA going the route of declining on Turner, Sullinger, Amir, Jerebko, and Zeller and then drafting 8 guys.

[PhoSita]

What if that elite roleplayer was Klay Thompson?  Would you still pass on him?

I think Thompson is a lot more than just an elite roleplayer because of his excellent defense.  But you are right that what makes him a star is that his shooting is absolutely stupendous.

[HuskerCeltic]

How about the comp that Hield = JR Swish, instant offence without the baggage?

[PhoSita]

How about the comp that Hield = JR Swish, instant offence without the baggage?

I hope he's a more consistent shooter than J.R.

[HuskerCeltic]

How about the comp that Hield = JR Swish, instant offence without the baggage?

I hope he's a more consistent shooter than J.R.

I'm okay with 40% 3pt

[PhoSita]

How about the comp that Hield = JR Swish, instant offence without the baggage?

I hope he's a more consistent shooter than J.R.

I'm okay with 40% 3pt

J.R.'s the kind of shooter who fluctuates between 34-35% and 39-40% shooting year to year.

And he tends to achieve 40% overall by going 5-8 one night and 1-7 the next, if you know what I mean.

[HuskerCeltic]

How about the comp that Hield = JR Swish, instant offence without the baggage?

I hope he's a more consistent shooter than J.R.

I'm okay with 40% 3pt

J.R.'s the kind of shooter who fluctuates between 34-35% and 39-40% shooting year to year.

And he tends to achieve 40% overall by going 5-8 one night and 1-7 the next, if you know what I mean.

Okay.

My point is that he will be an instant offence type player in the NBA. I see JR as being close to Buddy's floor and JJ Reddick as close to his ceiling. I like his game.

[Rondo9]

What if that elite roleplayer was Klay Thompson?  Would you still pass on him?

I think Thompson is a lot more than just an elite roleplayer because of his excellent defense.  But you are right that what makes him a star is that his shooting is absolutely stupendous.

I think Thompson is a good, but not an excellent defender. I could see Buddy's ceiling being like Thompson though.

[Celtics18]

JJ's not a bad comparison, but I think Buddy's got a little more game off the dribble.  More of a Bradley Beal/Eric Gordon type (both of whom would be really good players if they could stay healthy).

I don't think he was a great defender in college, but he's got some tools for that end.