Do not trust hield

[Celtics18]

I know I'm crazy, but I'd rather end up with Hield than Simmons or Ingram. 

I completely caught BuddyMania this year.  I never really follow college ball, but I found myself taping all the televised Oklahoma games just to see him play.

I love the whole Bahamas thing, I love that he started his college career as just another guy, and how he worked himself into the best player in the NCAA and a lottery pick over four years.  His game and his personality shout "star" to me.  He seems like he'll be able to get buckets anywhere, against anyone.

Like I said, I know I'm crazy, but I think getting to root for this kid as a Celtic would be fun. 

Let Simmons be a Laker. 

[PhoSita]

I know I'm crazy, but I'd rather end up with Hield than Simmons or Ingram. 

I completely caught BuddyMania this year.  I never really follow college ball, but I found myself taping all the televised Oklahoma games just to see him play.

Watching Hield in the tourney, it was hard not to get caught up in it.

But just take a look at what J.J. Redick did in his senior year at Duke.  In some ways his numbers were even better.

Players tend to make a huge leap in their last year in college.  Kelly Olynyk put up superstar stats his last year in college, too.


I'd be super confident if I'm drafting Hield that he's gonna turn into a deadly weapon off the ball (and sometimes on), whether it's in a bench role or as a starter.  Not so sure what he'll be beyond that.


And stow that nonsense about Simmons on the Lakers!  What we want is for the Lakers to LOSE their pick while the Celts get the #1 overall pick.

I want to see Simmons running the fast break next year, choosing between lobbing to Smart, dishing to a streaking Crowder, kicking out to a trailing Isaiah or Olynyk, or slamming it home himself.

Rooting for Ben Simmons to become the Celtics own version of Magic Johnson ... come on now, wouldn't THAT be fun?

[TheTruth]

Phosita,

You seem to know your stuff man.

I was just reading the thread title and was about to post that Hield will probably be a JJ Redick or Kyle Korver comp at best.

Hield really struggled to get separation against better defenders. He constantly has to push off to get enough space to shoot. The positive is that the guy can really shoot. So if you get him in a system that runs him, he can have some value. It's going to be all about being in the right system for him and having him run pin downs or get him coming off screens.

[Rondo9]

Buddy improved is ball handling tremendously over the years. I expect him to continue to work on it.

[TheTruth]

Rondo,

Hield has nice footwork off the dribble. Nice step back, nice side step to his weak side for the pull up.

The problem is is that he doesn't have the length or Height of someone like Pierce to get these shots off and lacks quickness. So yes. I do think he has nice footwork and shooting ability but he's still more of a role player.

[greece66]

I agree with Pho, players who stay that long in college naturally have an advantage. Hield is a good prospect but his ceiling is much lower than his last few performances suggest.

[PhoSita]

Some other names I pulled up on Sports-Reference.com:

- Guard / Guard Forward
- Senior season
- >= 20 points per game
- >= 4 free throw attempts per game
- >= 2.5 three pointers made per game
- >= 60% True Shooting


- Buddy Hield
- J.J. Redick
- Dan Dickau
- Troy Bell
- C.J. McCollum
- Juan Dixon
- Keith McLeod

A bunch of other names came up, most of them are white guys and players well under 6' who played mostly overseas or in the D-League.

This reinforces my feeling that with Hield, you can feel confident you're getting a valuable scoring weapon at SG, but probably not a cornerstone of your team building plan. 

For me that puts him in the mix with Jakob Poeltl and Kris Dunn in the 5-7 range, but if I'm picking at 3 or 4, I want to take Murray.  I might even take a big gulp and draft Bender.  I'd take him over Jaylen Brown every day of the week, though.  At least I'm confident he will have a role in the NBA.

[guava_wrench]

Buddy improved is ball handling tremendously over the years. I expect him to continue to work on it.

As will everyone else drafted.

[TheTruth]

I like Dunn a lot more then Hield.

Better handle. Quicker. Shiftier. Plays better D. Can rise up better off the bounce.

Drives to the hoop better.

[tankcity!]

Some other names I pulled up on Sports-Reference.com:

- Guard / Guard Forward
- Senior season
- >= 20 points per game
- >= 4 free throw attempts per game
- >= 2.5 three pointers made per game
- >= 60% True Shooting


- Buddy Hield
- J.J. Redick
- Dan Dickau
- Troy Bell
- C.J. McCollum
- Juan Dixon
- Keith McLeod

A bunch of other names came up, most of them are white guys and players well under 6' who played mostly overseas or in the D-League.

This reinforces my feeling that with Hield, you can feel confident you're getting a valuable scoring weapon at SG, but probably not a cornerstone of your team building plan. 

For me that puts him in the mix with Jakob Poeltl and Kris Dunn in the 5-7 range, but if I'm picking at 3 or 4, I want to take Murray.  I might even take a big gulp and draft Bender.  I'd take him over Jaylen Brown every day of the week, though.  At least I'm confident he will have a role in the NBA.

This is pretty much spot on, TP. I think Hield's ceiling is JJ Reddick of the Clippers, which is not bad at all. Redick is a really good player.

I do have thing to pick at, I think Jaylen Brown will be a stud. The college game just didn't fit him well. But that's my opinion.

[PhoSita]

I think it's entirely possible Jaylen Brown ends up playing really well in the NBA, I just have no confidence in that.  I just don't know what he does at the college level that will definitely translate to the NBA, other than finishing in fast break situations and possibly rebounding.

He's got great tools, but perimeter guys without elite perimeter defense, point guard skills, or off-ball shooting don't have an obvious path to a role in the NBA.

[Evantime34]

I think it's entirely possible Jaylen Brown ends up playing really well in the NBA, I just have no confidence in that.  I just don't know what he does at the college level that will definitely translate to the NBA, other than finishing in fast break situations and possibly rebounding.

He's got great tools, but perimeter guys without elite perimeter defense, point guard skills, or off-ball shooting don't have an obvious path to a role in the NBA.

Part of the lure of Brown (and what I will mutter to myself as a cry in the corner if we pick him) is that he has the potential to be an elite perimeter defender.

He reminds me a lot of Stanley Johnson, only Johnson was a better shooter and Brown is more athletic and finishes a lot better at the rim.

[tankcity!]

I think it's entirely possible Jaylen Brown ends up playing really well in the NBA, I just have no confidence in that.  I just don't know what he does at the college level that will definitely translate to the NBA, other than finishing in fast break situations and possibly rebounding.

He's got great tools, but perimeter guys without elite perimeter defense, point guard skills, or off-ball shooting don't have an obvious path to a role in the NBA.

Part of the lure of Brown (and what I will mutter to myself as a cry in the corner if we pick him) is that he has the potential to be an elite perimeter defender.

He reminds me a lot of Stanley Johnson, only Johnson was a better shooter and Brown is more athletic and finishes a lot better at the rim.

It's Brown's upside that scares me. He's an athletic freak. His athleticism reminds me of dare I say Westbrook. He also likes attacking the rim. I mean we could end up passing up on a franchise player, but I also understand how risky the pick is because he has a low BB IQ from what everyone says about him

[IDreamCeltics]

Some other names I pulled up on Sports-Reference.com:

- Guard / Guard Forward
- Senior season
- >= 20 points per game
- >= 4 free throw attempts per game
- >= 2.5 three pointers made per game
- >= 60% True Shooting


- Buddy Hield
- J.J. Redick
- Dan Dickau
- Troy Bell
- C.J. McCollum
- Juan Dixon
- Keith McLeod

A bunch of other names came up, most of them are white guys and players well under 6' who played mostly overseas or in the D-League.

This reinforces my feeling that with Hield, you can feel confident you're getting a valuable scoring weapon at SG, but probably not a cornerstone of your team building plan. 

For me that puts him in the mix with Jakob Poeltl and Kris Dunn in the 5-7 range, but if I'm picking at 3 or 4, I want to take Murray.  I might even take a big gulp and draft Bender.  I'd take him over Jaylen Brown every day of the week, though.  At least I'm confident he will have a role in the NBA.

JJ is shooting .470% from three this season and has an eFG% of .588.  I'd take Buddy 1st overall if I thought he could play off the ball and hit shots at that kind of efficiency.  It's a short list of guys in the NBA that can do that.

 
 

[PhoSita]

Some other names I pulled up on Sports-Reference.com:

- Guard / Guard Forward
- Senior season
- >= 20 points per game
- >= 4 free throw attempts per game
- >= 2.5 three pointers made per game
- >= 60% True Shooting


- Buddy Hield
- J.J. Redick
- Dan Dickau
- Troy Bell
- C.J. McCollum
- Juan Dixon
- Keith McLeod

A bunch of other names came up, most of them are white guys and players well under 6' who played mostly overseas or in the D-League.

This reinforces my feeling that with Hield, you can feel confident you're getting a valuable scoring weapon at SG, but probably not a cornerstone of your team building plan. 

For me that puts him in the mix with Jakob Poeltl and Kris Dunn in the 5-7 range, but if I'm picking at 3 or 4, I want to take Murray.  I might even take a big gulp and draft Bender.  I'd take him over Jaylen Brown every day of the week, though.  At least I'm confident he will have a role in the NBA.

JJ is shooting .470% from three this season and has an eFG% of .588.  I'd take Buddy 1st overall if I thought he could play off the ball and hit shots at that kind of efficiency.  It's a short list of guys in the NBA that can do that.

 
 

Look, I like Redick a lot.  It's really valuable to have a guy with that skillset on your team.

At the same time, he mostly relies on others to create for him and doesn't do a lot other than shoot the lights out.  Again, valuable skillset, but I think #1 overall for an elite role player would be a major reach.