Does anyone still think Harrison Barnes is worth a max from the C's?

[byennie]

I'm a bit on the fence about this, but the old "he's not a max guy" argument in meaningless. There is no special meaning to "max" - just a salary and a contract once it's signed. Some guys can get $21M, while others can make $30M. Some will be signed this offseason under one cap, some next summer under another. Some are 30 years old, some are 24.

When Barnes is making $22M under a $108M cap, it will be equivalent to $14M under the current cap. Is he not worth $14M during his prime years? Is $22M just another "max" deal when some other players are eligible to make $35M next summer?

As with all these things, it matters what other moves we make. The money is just 'ok' depending, IMO. He projects about the same as Crowder in terms of value... 15/6 ish with good defense and ability to play both forward spots. The money has to be spent and he's a useful piece.

[alldaboston]

I'd rather not. If we have to, maybe.

[Big333223]

Like others have said, he's not a "max player" but if a team wants to sign him this summer they're probably going to pay him max money.

Whether or not its a good idea for the Celtics has a lot to do with who we pick up in the draft but I'm leaning away from paying that much for a guy who might cap out as Rudy Gay.

[slamtheking]

Like others have said, he's not a "max player" but if a team wants to sign him this summer they're probably going to pay him max money.

Whether or not its a good idea for the Celtics has a lot to do with who we pick up in the draft but I'm leaning away from paying that much for a guy who might cap out as Rudy Gay.

exactly how I feel in terms of how I think this kid will end up.

[Denis998]

Tbh, I'd rather draft Buddy than get Barnes

[Chief]

Harrison Barnes just reminds me of Jeff Green.

[jambr380]

Harrison Barnes just reminds me of Jeff Green.

Yeah, I get that he is talented, athletic, versatile, and would fit right in with what we do, but I can't help think that he doesn't have that killer instinct. Maybe that doesn't matter to Danny and being able to sign a player of his caliber without giving up any assets makes perfect sense, but I don't think we should expect him to be one of our top options if he does sign here.

Harden was mentioned as an example of why he might flourish if given the chance; Barnes doesn't have Harden's mentality, at all.

[Csfan1984]

I would still give him the max. Just look at Hayward. Some times you take a gamble because talent is hard to come by. If Barnes takes a Hayward type leap you are in good shape. If he goes to Harden level you are very lucky. Also I think of things as who do you get if you lose on multiple guys like KD, Hordford and Whiteside types? Do you just resign Turner and Sully at 10 to 13 million each or gamble on the talent like Barnes. Barnes has yet to hit his talent peak Turner and Sully are clearly capped. I'd pay Barnes without question he can play sg, sf, and pf in small ball lineups. He is solid on both ends of the floor and he replaces Turner and offers more upside than Turner. We also have to think of talent available and market. Barnes is a max guy in this coming market.

[JSD]

If you can sign Barnes outright without giving up anything, of course you do it.

[moiso]

Harrison Barnes just reminds me of Jeff Green.

Yeah, I get that he is talented, athletic, versatile, and would fit right in with what we do, but I can't help think that he doesn't have that killer instinct. Maybe that doesn't matter to Danny and being able to sign a player of his caliber without giving up makes perfect sense, but I don't think we should expect him to be one of our top options if he does sign here.

Harden was mentioned as an example of why he might flourish if given the chance; Barnes doesn't have Harden's mentality, at all.

Harden was awesome in his last year in OKC.  He played the same kind of game in Houston, he just got more minutes and got to dominate the ball for all of his minutes.  As far as I can tell, Barnes doesn't have the ballhandling and shot creating skills to be a great player.  An opportunity on another team isn't going to make him what he is not.

[wdleehi]

No.



I don't see the significant upgrade over Crowder at SF.   


And it is not worth paying that much money to make one of them a PF.


Rather keep the flexibility moving forward with the trade pieces still in play. 



Keep major cap signing to either stars or the one year overpay cap filler deals (like this past off season)

[Evantime34]

Early in the season I was proponent of bringing in Barnes in the off-season. At this point though, I'd rather save cap space for a top notch player this off season or next.

This season has made me think it's more reasonable that we can bring in a star the next two years so I'd like to wait on a star or at least a player who better fits a need. For example I'd rather wait until 2017 to go after a non star like Ibaka than a non star like Barnes.

As for a fit, I don't like him and Crowder starting at the 3/4 unless you have a 5 that can rebound and protect the rim.

[Atzar]

I don't understand why Barnes ever got that 'secret superstar' label.  He's a solid 3 and D forward who will have good days and bad days like most roleplayers.  Offering the max to a player with that profile would be grossly irresponsible.

[CelticsJG]

No.

[Dino Pitino]

No freaking way. Let somebody else make that mistake. Would much, much rather just re-sign Sullinger and Turner with the money that would go to Barnes. He's average and his supposedly high ceiling is imaginary. Meanwhile, we have seen with our own eyes Sullinger and Turner significantly improve this year. The grass is greener on our side.