Perry Ellis thoughts? 2016 NBA draft prospect

[Fred Roberts]

With one of our 3 2nd rounders after #31, sure.

He's a heady veteran type player any team could use. There will be 2nd round gems in this draft. Upper class men are so heavily overlooked it's silly.

[Tr1boy]

FWIW, listed at #59 in DraftExpress latest mock.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Perry-Ellis-6288/

Strikes me as a crafty player, skilled around the basket, with a decent face-up game. Willing defender, if not a good individual one. I wonder if he'll be strong enough to play vs. PF, or quick enough to guard opposing 3s. Classic tweener.

I'm watching the the game vs maryland from the other day. He is not the same guy as we all know. He is explosive.  He can play sf at the NBA level imo.  The way he has brought it together he can play sf

He is still not a good enough ball handler for a SF. Right hand dominant and only straight line penetration.   Not an above average passer.   Kind of like an AB .  But at least efficient scorer.  Puts himself in good position to score.     Good team D, positional defender but no lockdown or anything.   you can tell his newfound explosiveness is helping him keep/up/recover quicker than before

[The Rondo Show]

I've watched a ton of Perry Ellis over the last three years, and he's the definition of an excellent college player who won't make it at the next level. He's extremely limited athletically and undersized for the 4 spot. He's skilled, but he lives on going back-to-basket against smaller college forwards. He's a versatile shooter and can stretch the floor, but I don't see him having a ton of value other than spot up shooting. I'd be shocked to see him able to guard NBA three's. He should definitely get a chance to prove himself somewhere in summer league and training camp, but I expect him to play overseas.

[Tr1boy]

I've watched a ton of Perry Ellis over the last three years, and he's the definition of an excellent college player who won't make it at the next level. He's extremely limited athletically and undersized for the 4 spot. He's skilled, but he lives on going back-to-basket against smaller college forwards. He's a versatile shooter and can stretch the floor, but I don't see him having a ton of value other than spot up shooting. I'd be shocked to see him able to guard NBA three's. He should definitely get a chance to prove himself somewhere in summer league and training camp, but I expect him to play overseas.

ok. again .  I'm asking because ppl have this idea of him from what they have seen in the past

have you seen a ton of games he has played this season? Did you see the round of 32 and sweet 16 games?

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

[CFAN38]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

[Eddie20]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

puhahahaha!! omg thanks for the laugh

cmon that is not the game

[The Rondo Show]

I've watched a ton of Perry Ellis over the last three years, and he's the definition of an excellent college player who won't make it at the next level. He's extremely limited athletically and undersized for the 4 spot. He's skilled, but he lives on going back-to-basket against smaller college forwards. He's a versatile shooter and can stretch the floor, but I don't see him having a ton of value other than spot up shooting. I'd be shocked to see him able to guard NBA three's. He should definitely get a chance to prove himself somewhere in summer league and training camp, but I expect him to play overseas.

ok. again .  I'm asking because ppl have this idea of him from what they have seen in the past

have you seen a ton of games he has played this season? Did you see the round of 32 and sweet 16 games?

To channel my inner Donald Trump -- god help us -- I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone on this blog who watches more Big 12 basketball (remember our Myles Turner discussions last year?). I didn't watch the R32, but I watched last night and several regular season games. I've also seen him live four times, though not this year.

I'm actually very pro-Ellis and I enjoy watching him play. Outstanding college player and should be in NPOY discussion. That said, he's 23, a very limited athlete, can't play multiple positions and struggles defending bigger players. We already have a surplus of PF's and I think the Celtics should pass on a low-ceiling, low-floor player like Ellis in the second round.

I hope he gets his chance somewhere though. He will absolutely be a Summer League & training camp guy.

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

[Smitty77]

I've watched a ton of Perry Ellis over the last three years, and he's the definition of an excellent college player who won't make it at the next level. He's extremely limited athletically and undersized for the 4 spot. He's skilled, but he lives on going back-to-basket against smaller college forwards. He's a versatile shooter and can stretch the floor, but I don't see him having a ton of value other than spot up shooting. I'd be shocked to see him able to guard NBA three's. He should definitely get a chance to prove himself somewhere in summer league and training camp, but I expect him to play overseas.

ok. again .  I'm asking because ppl have this idea of him from what they have seen in the past

have you seen a ton of games he has played this season? Did you see the round of 32 and sweet 16 games?

To channel my inner Donald Trump -- god help us -- I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone on this blog who watches more Big 12 basketball (remember our Myles Turner discussions last year?). I didn't watch the R32, but I watched last night and several regular season games. I've also seen him live four times, though not this year.

I'm actually very pro-Ellis and I enjoy watching him play. Outstanding college player and should be in NPOY discussion. That said, he's 23, a very limited athlete, can't play multiple positions and struggles defending bigger players. We already have a surplus of PF's and I think the Celtics should pass on a low-ceiling, low-floor player like Ellis in the second round.

I hope he gets his chance somewhere though. He will absolutely be a Summer League & training camp guy.

I think the interest from us would be IF he can play SF.  Can he do that IF he improves his handle?  Thanks for your valuable input having watched some many Big 12 games!!

Take care,

Smitty77

[Eddie20]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

[The Rondo Show]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

[Eddie20]

I had one GM ask me before the game if I thought Ellis would be a second-round pick. I thought no. He lacks an elite skill, size or athleticism. After the game, in which he was thoroughly dominated by Kentucky's bigs, he told me simply, "You're right, he can't play with NBA athletes."

[Tr1boy]

a guy who is limited athletically, can't dunk like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l6Oc6EKPjs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mUPBGeTZs

Exactly.

Triboy, he's 6-8 so him being able to dunk on a running start isn't anything to write home about. You posted links like we were going to be blown away or something. Pretty funny.

for a late 1st/2nd round pick you should be blown away.

This guy has done everything possible (staying until his senior year) to max his game. And now has above average explosiveness and can shoot.  Below is extended highlights of Ellis vs Maryland (sweet sixteen, yesterday) .  Those last two shots are vintage paul pierce.  And even today many sfs are not able to do.   

I would be happy to grab Ellis with one of our later picks. 

27 pts vs Maryland to lead Kansas to the Elite 8.   Kansas was riding on his back in the 2nd half
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thCMuo9kY58

Triboy, you have a hard time seeing the difference between college success and NBA success. It's a completely different game. It's a reason why so many star collegiate players flame out and don't amount to anything. There are countless examples of this. Ellis will be another. He has a low skillset and combines that with limited athleticism. He can get away with it in collge by going up against smaller/younger players and having really high basketball IQ. On the NBA level, he's toast.

Also why a lot of college under-performers end up becoming studs. Totally different game

exactly

NBA space + newfound explosiveness is only going to help Ellis. His 1st step is really good this season.  Like he was not able to blow by his man and finish under/around the basket before.  Or he had problems to do it

Eddie20 I understand its a different. You have to understand that Perry Jones 3 type of mouthwatering physical tools is not always going to cut it in the NBA.   You need to look at the "nuts and bolts" also. 

Ellis if he came out after last season would of prob been undrafted.  Tweener in a bad way like a few have said.  But this season he has worked/developed on "SF" part of the game.   Explosiveness/quickness/ jump shot/3 pt range.     

So why put him down and remember him as the player we know from freshman to junior?  He has advanced his game . And I think he could be the next PJ Tucker,  Ryan Gomes, Marcus Morris at the NBA level