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[alldaboston]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

People here said the same thing about Doc. It is an easy thing for armchair quarterbacks to criticize.

And how many of those young guys was Doc wrong about?

Not only that but Doc actually played the young guys plenty. We won a championship with Rondo (2nd year), Baby (rookie) and Powe (2nd year) all playing key minutes.

And for that matter Stevens has given meaningful minutes to plenty of young guys: KO, Smart and Sully spring to mind as guys that played plenty in their rookie and second seasons. Heck, Phil Pressey played a bunch for us.

The inconsistent rotation criticism is just nonsense. When the 3rd-12th guys on the team are all fairly close in talent, and sometimes guys get hurt, rotations will vary.

Sully's  rookie year was under doc.

[Csfan1984]

I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging the overall great job Stevens has done while also wondering about some of his decisions.  For example, why is he putting a poor 3 point shooter like Smart into an offensive role where he mostly stands outside the arc waiting to shoot 3s?  Turner and Sully have largely stopped, so why does Smart have a green light?

Mike

Smart has to be lights out in practice is what I think. In the game he just isn't shooting the same. It would then make sense that BS is hoping he can get past game jitters on the shot.

[Tr1boy]

I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging the overall great job Stevens has done while also wondering about some of his decisions.  For example, why is he putting a poor 3 point shooter like Smart into an offensive role where he mostly stands outside the arc waiting to shoot 3s?  Turner and Sully have largely stopped, so why does Smart have a green light?

Mike

Smart has to be lights out in practice is what I think. In the game he just isn't shooting the same. It would then make sense that BS is hoping he can get past game jitters on the shot.

Exactly. Some argue well in practice Mickey must not be doing 1,2,3

But what about smart?  If he is not good shooting practice 3's why have him stay in the corner in games

He has been brutal shooting the three with any kind of consistency . he should stop shooting 3's and dribble up a bit for the 17ft

[Csfan1984]

I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging the overall great job Stevens has done while also wondering about some of his decisions.  For example, why is he putting a poor 3 point shooter like Smart into an offensive role where he mostly stands outside the arc waiting to shoot 3s?  Turner and Sully have largely stopped, so why does Smart have a green light?

Mike

Smart has to be lights out in practice is what I think. In the game he just isn't shooting the same. It would then make sense that BS is hoping he can get past game jitters on the shot.

Exactly. Some argue well in practice Mickey must not be doing 1,2,3

But what about smart?  If he is not good shooting practice 3's why have him stay in the corner in games

He has been brutal shooting the three with any kind of consistency . he should stop shooting 3's and dribble up a bit for the 17ft

I don't mind three a game, he is a guard afterall. But he has to take quality shots to get his confidence. I always tell young players to get to the line before taking your first 3.

[Boris Badenov]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

People here said the same thing about Doc. It is an easy thing for armchair quarterbacks to criticize.

And how many of those young guys was Doc wrong about?

Not only that but Doc actually played the young guys plenty. We won a championship with Rondo (2nd year), Baby (rookie) and Powe (2nd year) all playing key minutes.

And for that matter Stevens has given meaningful minutes to plenty of young guys: KO, Smart and Sully spring to mind as guys that played plenty in their rookie and second seasons. Heck, Phil Pressey played a bunch for us.

The inconsistent rotation criticism is just nonsense. When the 3rd-12th guys on the team are all fairly close in talent, and sometimes guys get hurt, rotations will vary.

Sully's  rookie year was under doc.

I'm aware of that. That's why I included "second seasons" in the quote...

Don't think it changes anything in the post though.

I'll be bummed out if we end up having to deal with persistent misconceptions about Stevens like we had to with Doc (and Danny for that matter). It was really tiring to see the same myths pop up over and over again.

[hwangjini_1]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

People here said the same thing about Doc. It is an easy thing for armchair quarterbacks to criticize.

And how many of those young guys was Doc wrong about?

Not only that but Doc actually played the young guys plenty. We won a championship with Rondo (2nd year), Baby (rookie) and Powe (2nd year) all playing key minutes.

And for that matter Stevens has given meaningful minutes to plenty of young guys: KO, Smart and Sully spring to mind as guys that played plenty in their rookie and second seasons. Heck, Phil Pressey played a bunch for us.

The inconsistent rotation criticism is just nonsense. When the 3rd-12th guys on the team are all fairly close in talent, and sometimes guys get hurt, rotations will vary.

Sully's  rookie year was under doc.

I'm aware of that. That's why I included "second seasons" in the quote...

Don't think it changes anything in the post though.

I'll be bummed out if we end up having to deal with persistent misconceptions about Stevens like we had to with Doc (and Danny for that matter). It was really tiring to see the same myths pop up over and over again.

i feel your pain on the pop-pop effect. i have thought about this alot - "dang, didnt we just settle this a year ago"?

i believe a major contributor to the reoccuring nature of some debates has to do with the essence of being a public venue for opinions. posters come and posters go. lots of them. as new ones amble into cb-world they bring new, and missing, opinions and have not had the chance to see our earlier debates on a topic.

it is the nature of the beast. aside from possibly pinning some of the more common ones to the top of forums, we simply will have to ignore them or re-engage with them.

[Boris Badenov]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

People here said the same thing about Doc. It is an easy thing for armchair quarterbacks to criticize.

And how many of those young guys was Doc wrong about?

Not only that but Doc actually played the young guys plenty. We won a championship with Rondo (2nd year), Baby (rookie) and Powe (2nd year) all playing key minutes.

And for that matter Stevens has given meaningful minutes to plenty of young guys: KO, Smart and Sully spring to mind as guys that played plenty in their rookie and second seasons. Heck, Phil Pressey played a bunch for us.

The inconsistent rotation criticism is just nonsense. When the 3rd-12th guys on the team are all fairly close in talent, and sometimes guys get hurt, rotations will vary.

Sully's  rookie year was under doc.

I'm aware of that. That's why I included "second seasons" in the quote...

Don't think it changes anything in the post though.

I'll be bummed out if we end up having to deal with persistent misconceptions about Stevens like we had to with Doc (and Danny for that matter). It was really tiring to see the same myths pop up over and over again.

i feel your pain on the pop-pop effect. i have thought about this alot - "dang, didnt we just settle this a year ago"?

i believe a major contributor to the reoccuring nature of some debates has to do with the essence of being a public venue for opinions. posters come and posters go. lots of them. as new ones amble into cb-world they bring new, and missing, opinions and have not had the chance to see our earlier debates on a topic.

it is the nature of the beast. aside from possibly pinning some of the more common ones to the top of forums, we simply will have to ignore them or re-engage with them.

I get that. What I don't understand is how people become so certain of their opinion without bothering to take 5 minutes on Google to check whether it passes a sanity check.

I'm probably whining too much. For the most part this is my favorite place on the internet, and the myths we have to deal with here aren't as damaging as the ones we have to deal with in realms like politics, so enough said.

[hwangjini_1]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

People here said the same thing about Doc. It is an easy thing for armchair quarterbacks to criticize.

And how many of those young guys was Doc wrong about?

Not only that but Doc actually played the young guys plenty. We won a championship with Rondo (2nd year), Baby (rookie) and Powe (2nd year) all playing key minutes.

And for that matter Stevens has given meaningful minutes to plenty of young guys: KO, Smart and Sully spring to mind as guys that played plenty in their rookie and second seasons. Heck, Phil Pressey played a bunch for us.

The inconsistent rotation criticism is just nonsense. When the 3rd-12th guys on the team are all fairly close in talent, and sometimes guys get hurt, rotations will vary.

Sully's  rookie year was under doc.

I'm aware of that. That's why I included "second seasons" in the quote...

Don't think it changes anything in the post though.

I'll be bummed out if we end up having to deal with persistent misconceptions about Stevens like we had to with Doc (and Danny for that matter). It was really tiring to see the same myths pop up over and over again.

i feel your pain on the pop-pop effect. i have thought about this alot - "dang, didnt we just settle this a year ago"?

i believe a major contributor to the reoccuring nature of some debates has to do with the essence of being a public venue for opinions. posters come and posters go. lots of them. as new ones amble into cb-world they bring new, and missing, opinions and have not had the chance to see our earlier debates on a topic.

it is the nature of the beast. aside from possibly pinning some of the more common ones to the top of forums, we simply will have to ignore them or re-engage with them.

I get that. What I don't understand is how people become so certain of their opinion without bothering to take 5 minutes on Google to check whether it passes a sanity check.

I'm probably whining too much. For the most part this is my favorite place on the internet, and the myths we have to deal with here aren't as damaging as the ones we have to deal with in realms like politics, so enough said.

now that is a different topic and i once again agree with you. that has no single answer.

when i was university prof, i would have students demonstrate a total lack of knowledge on topics on exams and quizzes even though the material was available, lectures were given, class room activities had focused on the topic, and more.

intelligent posting is more than intelligence. it also involves the willingness to do some research.

not everyone is intelligent. not everyone wishes to do the research. it is easier, and lazier, to simply post a momentary opinion that pops into one's head.

and as my good friend would often remark, opinions are like noses. almost everyone has one and most them are unattractive. 

[elcotte]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

No.

[guava_wrench]

Can we talk about Brad Stevens inconsistent rotations and lack of faith in young players?

People here said the same thing about Doc. It is an easy thing for armchair quarterbacks to criticize.

And how many of those young guys was Doc wrong about?

Not only that but Doc actually played the young guys plenty. We won a championship with Rondo (2nd year), Baby (rookie) and Powe (2nd year) all playing key minutes.

And for that matter Stevens has given meaningful minutes to plenty of young guys: KO, Smart and Sully spring to mind as guys that played plenty in their rookie and second seasons. Heck, Phil Pressey played a bunch for us.

The inconsistent rotation criticism is just nonsense. When the 3rd-12th guys on the team are all fairly close in talent, and sometimes guys get hurt, rotations will vary.

Pruitt even got some burn and he was horrible. But it wasn't enough minutes for some fans.

[Big333223]

You can't complain about Stevens' roatations without considering the context. He's still got the same roster he started with at the beginning of the season when everyone was excited about the C's depth and others were worried about making lineup decisions. The roster still has too many decent players that could be playing more minutes but would mean bumping guys who are contributing.

I'd love to see more Mickey but is he actually going to be more productive than Amir or Sully would be? Is his time more valuable than time given to Crowder or Jerebko playing time at the 4?

I think Stevens has done a terrific job juggling the minutes for all of these guys.

[CelticGuardian]

I understand James Young being exiled to the D-League but Mickey is actually showing us something... just doesn't seem like a good model... I thought the top performers get the most playing time... Mickey comes in for two minutes and does something, Amir is there for 20 mins and you forget he was even in the lineup today... Zeller comes in for 20 mins, he chokes some layups and lets the other bigs score... I understand Brad is some type of genius or something... but is his strategy suppose to bend the common logic for deciding who gets to play and who doesn't?... I mean, Mickey should be getting at least, 15 mins consistently right now.... he's earned it with his play.

[manl_lui]

I'm actually ready to move on from Zeller and give Mickey some minutes...he can take all 10 minutes and see where that leads us!

[jambr380]

I'm actually ready to move on from Zeller and give Mickey some minutes...he can take all 10 minutes and see where that leads us!

Yeah, I get where Stevens wants to create some consistency and cohesion, but Zeller can't possibly be in the long term plans of the Cs and now would be a perfect time to give Mickey 4-5 minutes per half in place of JJ. He must really be showing a lack of understanding rotations on offense and defense behind the scenes because he looks fairly productive in-game. Even Rozier is getting a few minutes now...and deservedly so.

[Vermont Green]

This has been debated endlessly on this board. Wyc and Stevens wanted us in the playoffs and they (and many on here)  got what they wanted. Danny (and many others on here) didn't.

Where are you getting it that Danny Ainge didn't want to make the playoffs or that he wanted to tank?  I remember Danny saying that he wanted the team to play well and deserve to make the playoffs but he didn't want to make the playoffs just because we were less bad than everyone else (paraphrasing).  Not that this has anything to do with how well Stevens is coaching.

In terms of Stevens, I think the Celtics have over-achieved this year so it is hard to criticize.  Think of teams like Detroit, Milwaukee, Washington, Miami, Atlanta, even Chicago and Indiana.  The Celtics are doing more with less than all of these teams.  I think the OP is manufacturing a problem that doesn't exist.