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young ones
« on: March 11, 2016, 03:21:53 AM »

Offline rollie mass

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coty clarke ,jordon mickey and james young took the shuttle to get some game time up north
coty clarke led scorers with 6-7 and 2 -2 threes for 18pts
mickey 6-10 for 14pts
young 4-12 and 2-9 threes- what is it with our young shooters

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2016, 06:14:10 AM »

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I got excited and thought it might be these Young Ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEMGFEPulw

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2016, 06:38:15 AM »

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I was there for 3 qtrs. Mickey was by far the best player on the court.
James Young looks like he's just going through the motions. Great
Athlete though. Thornton was nailing all his 3's in warmups, but not
During the game. Thornton has excellent ball skills, and can get to
Wherever he wants, needs to hit his shots.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 07:27:38 AM »

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-how was coty clarke-seems like the red claws go quite a bit of talent
what makes young a great athlete-

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 10:21:09 AM »

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-how was coty clarke-seems like the red claws go quite a bit of talent
what makes young a great athlete-

athleticism and youth


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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 10:34:40 AM »

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coty clarke ,jordon mickey and james young took the shuttle to get some game time up north
coty clarke led scorers with 6-7 and 2 -2 threes for 18pts
mickey 6-10 for 14pts
young 4-12 and 2-9 threes- what is it with our young shooters
In back to back years we picked guys who didn't put up great college percentages but had solid shooting strokes that everyone assumed would lead to improved results.

From now on I don't want Danny to draft any "shooters" who haven't shot a high percentage in college/internationally.
DKC:  Rockets
CB Draft: Memphis Grizz
Players: Klay Thompson, Jabari Parker, Aaron Gordon
Next 3 picks: 4.14, 4.15, 4.19

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 11:12:54 AM »

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young isn't quick ,can't move laterally, can't get over a screen,can't go more than two dribbles right,isn't explosive but duh you got young right-
and of course i am open minded-given facts

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2016, 02:44:37 PM »

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young isn't quick ,can't move laterally, can't get over a screen,can't go more than two dribbles right,isn't explosive but duh you got young right-
and of course i am open minded-given facts

I always assumed James Young was a great shooter who needed to learn most facets of the NBA. The opposite to me would be a Marcus Smart or Crowder not known for their jump shooting but perhaps having all the other fundamentals down pat.

If James Young isn't that good a shooter, Danny should let him go.

At Kentucky, he shot 47% on two's, 34.9% on three's, 40.7% overall, and 70.6% on free throws. That to me are the kind of numbers a chucker generates, not a pure shooter.

None of his other college stats seem that impressive either, such as a couple assists, a couple turnovers, one steal, no blocks and five rebounds per 40 minutes.

I agree he doesn't seem much for athleticism.

At least with RJ, one can see the makings of a two-way player as long as he stops shooting so badly.

I think Young's time with the Celtics is coming to a close. He was 18. It was a gamble. Maybe he could've ended up like Jamal Crawford of the Clippers. I don't think James Young has what it takes to survive basketball for a second contract unless it's in Europe or China.

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2016, 03:11:16 PM »

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You can't draft solely based on college stats though, especially with Freshman.  Have to try to project what the player will become, which is why it's such a crapshoot.  This is especially true when it comes to shooting. Young was only 18, putting up decent numbers.   There was reason for optimism.

Missing on his lack of quickness though, that's tougher to excuse.  Good scouting should have seen that.

Here's Mickey's highlights from the game:  http://dleague.nba.com/games/20160310/erimne/

Good to see him score in a variety of way, including putting the ball on the floor and getting to the rim 3 times.  Hit one mid range jumper too.

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2016, 03:43:47 PM »

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young isn't quick ,can't move laterally, can't get over a screen,can't go more than two dribbles right,isn't explosive but duh you got young right-
and of course i am open minded-given facts
From watching young I think he is pretty athletic. He is a smooth guy so I dont think he looks as athletic as he is. He has some good vertical explosivenessoff two feet which allows him to get rebounds and I think he is pretty quick.

He lacks lateral quickness and 1 leg explosiveness.

I dont see a path for him to return to the Cs next year, but I did feel like when he got a few minutes earlier in the year he looked alright.

I am holding out hope for him to turn into a nice role player type.

Im trying as hard as I can to put a positive spin on it here, but here is a thought.

James  and Danny and Brad all believe James can score. But they also think he struggles in every other facet of the game. I think that james is trying to work on fitting into the game and playing within the team concept and helping the team without necessarily scoring.

Realistically you can remove all of the thinks and believes with "hope"s but I think it might be the case. I have noticed James has passed the ball pretty well in every opportunity Ive had to see him this year and hes rebounded quite well and the Red Claws were +25 with him in the game yesterday.

Perhaps theres still some hope?

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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2016, 07:44:17 PM »

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-how was coty clarke-seems like the red claws go quite a bit of talent
what makes young a great athlete-

Sorry Rollie long day at work and then a 3.5 hrs drive home. First I have to disagree with your
assessment that he's not quick. In person he's very quick for someone 6'7" and when he wants to
can get plenty of hang time. I guess when I say he's a great athlete, I'm just stating the obvious
in that he's got better then average NBA potential. IMO 95% of all NBA players are great athletes.

He does have this weird pigeon toe thing with his feet, when he's warming up. It looks awkward
 but he loses it when he's in the game. It could effect his lateral quickness though? 

Until you see Coty Clarke play he doesn't draw much attention, he's got that tweener look about
him. Of course that all changes after you watch him for about 5 mins, because he got such a high
BBIQ. Has real good mechanics, always seems to make the right play. Not sure how that will
translate at the next level?

I can't explain how Mickey, Clarke and Young for that matter can all be standing next to each
other, and Mickey looks much taller for some reason? But he's not.

Anyway, it was real cool to these guys only a few feet away. Playing for the love of the game
and for most of them, just a glimmer of hope.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2016, 07:53:06 PM »

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I got excited and thought it might be these Young Ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpEMGFEPulw
Me too. I have that series on DVD.

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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2016, 03:37:49 AM »

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-how was coty clarke-seems like the red claws go quite a bit of talent
what makes young a great athlete-

Sorry Rollie long day at work and then a 3.5 hrs drive home. First I have to disagree with your
assessment that he's not quick. In person he's very quick for someone 6'7" and when he wants to


can get plenty of hang time. I guess when I say he's a great athlete, I'm just stating the obvious
in that he's got better then average NBA potential. IMO 95% of all NBA players are great athletes.

He does have this weird pigeon toe thing with his feet, when he's warming up. It looks awkward
 but he loses it when he's in the game. It could effect his lateral quickness though? 

Until you see Coty Clarke play he doesn't draw much attention, he's got that tweener look about
him. Of course that all changes after you watch him for about 5 mins, because he got such a high
BBIQ. Has real good mechanics, always seems to make the right play. Not sure how that will
translate at the next level?

I can't explain how Mickey, Clarke and Young for that matter can all be standing next to each
other, and Mickey looks much taller for some reason? But he's not.

Anyway, it was real cool to these guys only a few feet away. Playing for the love of the game
and for most of them, just a glimmer of hope.

another tp for a 3.5 hr commute and eyes on ground info
i love watching basketball in gyms like maine
to hear the trainers squeek the ball bounce and players communicating on court
AND players playing for love of game and a chance to move up
grisholm wrote a short book called"playing for pizza"-about a pro drummed out and forced to play european pro football
so thanks again
till yesterdays game, i thought frazier a better point guard than rozier till somebody showed me the shooting stats frazier put up with portland /philly--
when young was in his first year i thought he may have had deceptive speed and went back and looked for that player from old kareem lakers team to compare,now he was smooth
 the red claws seem to have some high character players
we have a pro team here in england  alot of american college players and i found the best pizza, ,which isn't easy in england and brought them along with some budweiser for after practice
better than chips and a pint-i scored big TPs for that from the players,even the english ones
my sons premier league 18-under was affilated with this pro team the chester phoenix
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2016, 07:33:40 PM »

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You can't draft solely based on college stats though, especially with Freshman.  Have to try to project what the player will become, which is why it's such a crapshoot.  This is especially true when it comes to shooting. Young was only 18, putting up decent numbers.   There was reason for optimism.

James Young can't even do what is supposed to be the best part of his game. College as one year definitely turns each draft pick into a crapshoot. That's a good point. I think Danny is letting him go or he's traded. Hunter could lift weights. His shot looks entertaining, but I'd rather they drop through the net. He has to figure that out. The rest of his game looks solid or one can see the blueprint for his skills.

James Young is closer to Fab Melo than Jordan Mickey? That's how I see it. He's had plenty of time. Maybe he will pull a Gerald Green and haunt us in one game eight years from now.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2016, 07:41:54 PM »

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I am reading good things on Coty Clarke.

http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/clarke-ready-add-energy-and-effort-celtics

Quote from: Kelly Olynyk
"He was with us in training camp," said Kelly Olynyk. "Great kid, been following him in the D-League obviously with Maine and he's been putting up some great numbers down there not only shooting the ball well but rebounding and passing the ball well. Double-digit assists the other night. So he's a great guy, a really, really tough worker, hard worker, and he's a great guy to have around."

Quote from: Brad Stevens
“First and foremost, as I told our team today, he was by no means given a 10-day," said coach Brad Stevens. "He was rewarded (for) his great play. He really has played great. Our front office has been thrilled about him and thrilled about his play in Maine the whole year. We obviously have a familiarity with him from being here in the fall, and so we thought it was a great opportunity to bring a guy on board while we have some practice time to really get a chance to evaluate him within our system, with our team, as the season has progressed. He’s kind of an undersized shooting forward and so we’ll see how it all goes from there. But he’s had a really nice year.”