frazier vs rozier

[rollie mass]

between now and playoffs because of our style of play  are guards could suffer injury,
is rozier ready to step in
frazier has true backup guard potential and is 25
mvp d league,called up by several clubs
a pure experienced point guard

[slamtheking]

stick with the guy exposed to the program.  if Frazier was as good as you're proposing, one of those teams that called him up would have kept him

[rollie mass]

think you should watch his recent highlites a couple triple doubles-just watch his moves and court sense-nice shot a real easy slot in-and been in celtics system for awhile-

[KeepRondo]

Edit.

Wrong person

[slamtheking]

think you should watch his recent highlites a couple triple doubles-just watch his moves and court sense-nice shot a real easy slot in-and been in celtics system for awhile-

He's not on the C's 15-man roster so he's available to any team for the taking if I'm not mistaken.  As such, if he was that great a prospect or option for a team needing a PG off the bench, I think he'd already be with a team if he were that solid a player.  The fact that he's not leads me to believe the teams in the league aren't as excited about him as you are from recent games.

Philly would seem like the prime example of a team in need of a functional PG off the bench, especially since the bulk of their roster is D-League caliber, and yet this guy isn't getting a call from them. 

It may be an unfair bias against D-league talent but in all fairness, players rarely get pulled from the D-league and become productive rotation players in the NBA.  Not sure I'd be all that excited about signing a D-League player to replace one of our rotation players in the event of injury. 

I'm not a fan of Rozier at the moment but I'd hope he'd play more under-control/team-oriented ball than he does in garbage time if pushed into a more prominent role due to team injury and that he'd be more familiar with the team's playbook/style and therefore be a more productive player on the court in those circumstances.

[rollie mass]

red claws site has a wealth of info he spent some time playing with portland this year  and philly actually played against celts-he had a strong game against atlanta a stat stuffer played whole game -the guy won lane agility at tryouts is speedy and a great passer--6 -1 thin---take a look -i don't know why he was waived

[Csfan1984]

Could be off the court issue is keeping him out the nba

[hwangjini_1]

Could be off the court issue is keeping him out the nba

maybe, have you heard anything or is this conjecture?

[greece66]

If IT gets injured during the playoffs, we ll be scr**** no matter who the replacement is, so why worry?



PS I also think ppl in the forums are too dismissive of Rozier, he was fine in the mins he was given.

[jambr380]

think you should watch his recent highlites a couple triple doubles-just watch his moves and court sense-nice shot a real easy slot in-and been in celtics system for awhile-

He's not on the C's 15-man roster so he's available to any team for the taking if I'm not mistaken.  As such, if he was that great a prospect or option for a team needing a PG off the bench, I think he'd already be with a team if he were that solid a player.  The fact that he's not leads me to believe the teams in the league aren't as excited about him as you are from recent games.

Philly would seem like the prime example of a team in need of a functional PG off the bench, especially since the bulk of their roster is D-League caliber, and yet this guy isn't getting a call from them. 

It may be an unfair bias against D-league talent but in all fairness, players rarely get pulled from the D-league and become productive rotation players in the NBA.  Not sure I'd be all that excited about signing a D-League player to replace one of our rotation players in the event of injury. 

I'm not a fan of Rozier at the moment but I'd hope he'd play more under-control/team-oriented ball than he does in garbage time if pushed into a more prominent role due to team injury and that he'd be more familiar with the team's playbook/style and therefore be a more productive player on the court in those circumstances.

This is all very true. I don't know why there is not more of a call for each team to have their own D-League affiliate and for each of those players to be the 'property' of a respective franchise. This would require a draft with more rounds, but maybe then the D-League wouldn't be such a joke as the development of the players would seem to mean more to each franchise.

As for Frazier in particular, I don't know what the issue is. How can he be so good in the D-League, but not be desirable to ANY NBA team; it's just strange.

[guava_wrench]

It doesn't make sense to have a lot of players be the property of an NBA team because NBA teams don't use that many players and because basketball doesn't require the technical training that baseball does.

It is far better to just let young players have their freedom to go where it makes sense. An expansive minor leagues will never make sense for the NBA unless they themselves become profitable enough to support themselves. NBA teams won't get much value from the minor league teams.

[slamtheking]

think you should watch his recent highlites a couple triple doubles-just watch his moves and court sense-nice shot a real easy slot in-and been in celtics system for awhile-

He's not on the C's 15-man roster so he's available to any team for the taking if I'm not mistaken.  As such, if he was that great a prospect or option for a team needing a PG off the bench, I think he'd already be with a team if he were that solid a player.  The fact that he's not leads me to believe the teams in the league aren't as excited about him as you are from recent games.

Philly would seem like the prime example of a team in need of a functional PG off the bench, especially since the bulk of their roster is D-League caliber, and yet this guy isn't getting a call from them. 

It may be an unfair bias against D-league talent but in all fairness, players rarely get pulled from the D-league and become productive rotation players in the NBA.  Not sure I'd be all that excited about signing a D-League player to replace one of our rotation players in the event of injury. 

I'm not a fan of Rozier at the moment but I'd hope he'd play more under-control/team-oriented ball than he does in garbage time if pushed into a more prominent role due to team injury and that he'd be more familiar with the team's playbook/style and therefore be a more productive player on the court in those circumstances.

This is all very true. I don't know why there is not more of a call for each team to have their own D-League affiliate and for each of those players to be the 'property' of a respective franchise. This would require a draft with more rounds, but maybe then the D-League wouldn't be such a joke as the development of the players would seem to mean more to each franchise.

As for Frazier in particular, I don't know what the issue is. How can he be so good in the D-League, but not be desirable to ANY NBA team; it's just strange.

I agree on the team-D League affiliations.  not sure of the best method for implementing it.  Could be used as a truly developmental league where all rookies are required to play a year before playing in the NBA.  I'd think the rule requiring waiting a year after high school would/could be dropped at that point.

thought of something along the lines of a 1-for-1 team affiliation where drafted players that aren't called up to the parent team by their 3rd year in D-league become UFAs free to sign with any other team.  Let's teams out of the longer rookie deals that currently exist when a player isn't worth keeping, would enable vets to hold a job a year longer and would not tie up an NBA roster slot unless the player was called up.

as for a roster move in that case, can only call up players in their 2nd year (or later) and the call-up can only be as an injury replacement (if the team has a full 15 man big league roster) and then returned to the D-league when the player returns.  teams will an open slot can keep that player with the big league roster if they choose.  it does open the door for some injury-list abuse but that would be a smaller detail compared to the rest of this.

just some thoughts.

[rollie mass]

i just spent a hr watching fraziers tapes from red claws to blazers summer league-this kid gets to hoop ,navigates the paint,a killer passer rebounds  has an array of floaters-triple doubles galore-does he not play d,what fine line doesn't he have-
i think he is far away a better point guard than rozier-bbiq just sees the court and feels the game he is a little like isaiah but 6-1
what am i missing strength, maybe on d-

frazier being considered for knicks 15th spot -they have had internal dicussions-18pt 11 rebound game might have clinched it-according to sb nation

[chilidawg]

He shot 33/18/53% in his 35 games with Portland.  That might have something to do with it.  His shooting numbers are much better in the D-League, but still only 35% from 3 in a league where defense isn't a priority.  I'm guessing shooting is his biggest issue.

[rollie mass]

He shot 33/18/53% in his 35 games with Portland.  That might have something to do with it.  His shooting numbers are much better in the D-League, but still only 35% from 3 in a league where defense isn't a priority.  I'm guessing shooting is his biggest issue.

tp for that couldn't see the forest through the trees-he shot poorly for philly as well as portland but only got 7min a game-