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Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2016, 11:28:47 PM »

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I don't buy it completely.  There is a real chance that Duncan hangs it up after this year, and if so San Antonio will be a worse team. 

Harrison Barnes might also leave GSW, and while that isn't a huge loss, it does weaken them.

Durant and Westbrook on OKC are a top 4 team in the NBA.  If the two scenarios above happen, they could be top 2.  Where does Durant go, besides GSW, to put him in a better situation than that?  There isn't another team that offers more than his current squad because they have Westbrook.

The only reason I do buy it is if Durant believes that he can't get there with Westbrook (or with Billy Donovan as coach -- more likely).  If either are true than it makes sense to leave, but again I really don't but that he will have a better chance anywhere else than OKC.

There's also the possibility that Westbrook leaves the following year.  Does he think Westbrook shows as much loyalty to OKC as he might?  KD could sign a long-term deal only to be stuck in OKC without Westbrook after next year.  Or ownership might decide that they're done with the luxury tax, and not make any other improvements.

I do think KD should go East if not to Golden State (and not just because the most logical team is Boston).  The Spurs aren't going anywhere (they're 14-2 without Duncan this year, so while his retirement would be a loss, it wouldn't be disastrous).  Golden State obviously isn't going anywhere.  The best path to compete for a championship is going through the Eastern Conference, be it Boston, Washington, or some other team that figures out how to create space for him (Toronto?).

Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2016, 12:29:43 AM »

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I don't buy it completely.  There is a real chance that Duncan hangs it up after this year, and if so San Antonio will be a worse team. 

Harrison Barnes might also leave GSW, and while that isn't a huge loss, it does weaken them.

Durant and Westbrook on OKC are a top 4 team in the NBA.  If the two scenarios above happen, they could be top 2.  Where does Durant go, besides GSW, to put him in a better situation than that?  There isn't another team that offers more than his current squad because they have Westbrook.

The only reason I do buy it is if Durant believes that he can't get there with Westbrook (or with Billy Donovan as coach -- more likely).  If either are true than it makes sense to leave, but again I really don't but that he will have a better chance anywhere else than OKC.

There's also the possibility that Westbrook leaves the following year.  Does he think Westbrook shows as much loyalty to OKC as he might?  KD could sign a long-term deal only to be stuck in OKC without Westbrook after next year.  Or ownership might decide that they're done with the luxury tax, and not make any other improvements.

I do think KD should go East if not to Golden State (and not just because the most logical team is Boston).  The Spurs aren't going anywhere (they're 14-2 without Duncan this year, so while his retirement would be a loss, it wouldn't be disastrous).  Golden State obviously isn't going anywhere.  The best path to compete for a championship is going through the Eastern Conference, be it Boston, Washington, or some other team that figures out how to create space for him (Toronto?).

We need an actual separate thread/poll for this question. I'll try and make one tomorrow.

Depending upon how you feel about Golden State's fit (theoretically, it's a good fit - but how can you account for personalities and whether or not Durant, Curry, and Thompson, let alone Green, will not have problems with fewer overall touches?), I think it's a pretty solid argument that Boston is the best place for him in the East.

Our two main competitors would be Washington and Toronto. Even though he's from there, I don't think Washington is a legit destination for him anymore, because they've looked terrible this year. We're clearly a better team than them, and they also have question marks with Wittman as a reliable coach, Beal's health, an aging and less-than-stellar frontcourt, and the ball-dominance of Wall and Beal.

Toronto is a little trickier, because a starting lineup of Lowry, Derozan, Carroll, Durant, and JV looks pretty tempting. However, Lowry and Derozan are both high-usage, ball-dominant players, and I don't know how well that will translate to Durant. Also, Derozan is a question mark this summer, though it looks like he'll be back. It's also Canada and freezing, so we'd even win the weather/destination route with Toronto.

As for us, he would seemingly fit in perfectly with us as a small forward or small-ball 4, and we really only have one player that is high-usage and ball-dominant in IT, though he can successfully play off of the ball, too. Further, we also have room to add another max-level guy next to him, and coincidentally he's made it known that Horford would be one of the players that he would like to play with. A lineup of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Durant, and Horford with a bench of Smart, Turner (resigned), JJ, KO, Mickey, and whoever we get from the Brooklyn pick (if not traded for another star) is going to be scary good and balanced, and I think we'd easily be the favorites in the Eastern Conference over the Cavaliers.
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Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2016, 03:38:39 PM »

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I don't buy it completely.  There is a real chance that Duncan hangs it up after this year, and if so San Antonio will be a worse team. 

Harrison Barnes might also leave GSW, and while that isn't a huge loss, it does weaken them.

Durant and Westbrook on OKC are a top 4 team in the NBA.  If the two scenarios above happen, they could be top 2.  Where does Durant go, besides GSW, to put him in a better situation than that?  There isn't another team that offers more than his current squad because they have Westbrook.

The only reason I do buy it is if Durant believes that he can't get there with Westbrook (or with Billy Donovan as coach -- more likely).  If either are true than it makes sense to leave, but again I really don't but that he will have a better chance anywhere else than OKC.
Washington still makes a lot of sense.  He is from there and they have Wall and Beal plus Gortat and Morris down low.  They also have Otto Porter as a nice sub or trade bait.  Not to mention Washington is in the East.  You put Durant on that team and Cleveland is the only team even on par with Washington in the conference, which basically means cruise control to the conference finals.  Washington will be a very real possibility for Durant.
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Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2016, 03:58:02 PM »

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I don't buy it completely.  There is a real chance that Duncan hangs it up after this year, and if so San Antonio will be a worse team. 

Harrison Barnes might also leave GSW, and while that isn't a huge loss, it does weaken them.

Durant and Westbrook on OKC are a top 4 team in the NBA.  If the two scenarios above happen, they could be top 2.  Where does Durant go, besides GSW, to put him in a better situation than that?  There isn't another team that offers more than his current squad because they have Westbrook.

The only reason I do buy it is if Durant believes that he can't get there with Westbrook (or with Billy Donovan as coach -- more likely).  If either are true than it makes sense to leave, but again I really don't but that he will have a better chance anywhere else than OKC.

There's also the possibility that Westbrook leaves the following year.  Does he think Westbrook shows as much loyalty to OKC as he might?  KD could sign a long-term deal only to be stuck in OKC without Westbrook after next year.  Or ownership might decide that they're done with the luxury tax, and not make any other improvements.

I do think KD should go East if not to Golden State (and not just because the most logical team is Boston).  The Spurs aren't going anywhere (they're 14-2 without Duncan this year, so while his retirement would be a loss, it wouldn't be disastrous).  Golden State obviously isn't going anywhere.  The best path to compete for a championship is going through the Eastern Conference, be it Boston, Washington, or some other team that figures out how to create space for him (Toronto?).

We need an actual separate thread/poll for this question. I'll try and make one tomorrow.

Depending upon how you feel about Golden State's fit (theoretically, it's a good fit - but how can you account for personalities and whether or not Durant, Curry, and Thompson, let alone Green, will not have problems with fewer overall touches?), I think it's a pretty solid argument that Boston is the best place for him in the East.

Our two main competitors would be Washington and Toronto. Even though he's from there, I don't think Washington is a legit destination for him anymore, because they've looked terrible this year. We're clearly a better team than them, and they also have question marks with Wittman as a reliable coach, Beal's health, an aging and less-than-stellar frontcourt, and the ball-dominance of Wall and Beal.

Toronto is a little trickier, because a starting lineup of Lowry, Derozan, Carroll, Durant, and JV looks pretty tempting. However, Lowry and Derozan are both high-usage, ball-dominant players, and I don't know how well that will translate to Durant. Also, Derozan is a question mark this summer, though it looks like he'll be back. It's also Canada and freezing, so we'd even win the weather/destination route with Toronto.

As for us, he would seemingly fit in perfectly with us as a small forward or small-ball 4, and we really only have one player that is high-usage and ball-dominant in IT, though he can successfully play off of the ball, too. Further, we also have room to add another max-level guy next to him, and coincidentally he's made it known that Horford would be one of the players that he would like to play with. A lineup of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Durant, and Horford with a bench of Smart, Turner (resigned), JJ, KO, Mickey, and whoever we get from the Brooklyn pick (if not traded for another star) is going to be scary good and balanced, and I think we'd easily be the favorites in the Eastern Conference over the Cavaliers.

While I'm pro KD and Horford (because who wouldn't be, really), there's no way they keep Jerebko in that situation, and it's unlikely Turner sticks around as well.  Not the end of the world, because obviously we'd take Horford and KD, but we can't have our cake and eat it too in terms of keeping in tact Boston's bench.

Re: Rumor: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2016, 04:07:18 PM »

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Isn't OK in the west? Shouldn't title be changed to Duran will leave because there is no road for OKC to make finals in the west

Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2016, 04:24:08 PM »

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I don't buy it completely.  There is a real chance that Duncan hangs it up after this year, and if so San Antonio will be a worse team. 

Harrison Barnes might also leave GSW, and while that isn't a huge loss, it does weaken them.

Durant and Westbrook on OKC are a top 4 team in the NBA.  If the two scenarios above happen, they could be top 2.  Where does Durant go, besides GSW, to put him in a better situation than that?  There isn't another team that offers more than his current squad because they have Westbrook.

The only reason I do buy it is if Durant believes that he can't get there with Westbrook (or with Billy Donovan as coach -- more likely).  If either are true than it makes sense to leave, but again I really don't but that he will have a better chance anywhere else than OKC.

There's also the possibility that Westbrook leaves the following year.  Does he think Westbrook shows as much loyalty to OKC as he might?  KD could sign a long-term deal only to be stuck in OKC without Westbrook after next year.  Or ownership might decide that they're done with the luxury tax, and not make any other improvements.

I do think KD should go East if not to Golden State (and not just because the most logical team is Boston).  The Spurs aren't going anywhere (they're 14-2 without Duncan this year, so while his retirement would be a loss, it wouldn't be disastrous).  Golden State obviously isn't going anywhere.  The best path to compete for a championship is going through the Eastern Conference, be it Boston, Washington, or some other team that figures out how to create space for him (Toronto?).

We need an actual separate thread/poll for this question. I'll try and make one tomorrow.

Depending upon how you feel about Golden State's fit (theoretically, it's a good fit - but how can you account for personalities and whether or not Durant, Curry, and Thompson, let alone Green, will not have problems with fewer overall touches?), I think it's a pretty solid argument that Boston is the best place for him in the East.

Our two main competitors would be Washington and Toronto. Even though he's from there, I don't think Washington is a legit destination for him anymore, because they've looked terrible this year. We're clearly a better team than them, and they also have question marks with Wittman as a reliable coach, Beal's health, an aging and less-than-stellar frontcourt, and the ball-dominance of Wall and Beal.

Toronto is a little trickier, because a starting lineup of Lowry, Derozan, Carroll, Durant, and JV looks pretty tempting. However, Lowry and Derozan are both high-usage, ball-dominant players, and I don't know how well that will translate to Durant. Also, Derozan is a question mark this summer, though it looks like he'll be back. It's also Canada and freezing, so we'd even win the weather/destination route with Toronto.

As for us, he would seemingly fit in perfectly with us as a small forward or small-ball 4, and we really only have one player that is high-usage and ball-dominant in IT, though he can successfully play off of the ball, too. Further, we also have room to add another max-level guy next to him, and coincidentally he's made it known that Horford would be one of the players that he would like to play with. A lineup of IT, Bradley, Crowder, Durant, and Horford with a bench of Smart, Turner (resigned), JJ, KO, Mickey, and whoever we get from the Brooklyn pick (if not traded for another star) is going to be scary good and balanced, and I think we'd easily be the favorites in the Eastern Conference over the Cavaliers.

While I'm pro KD and Horford (because who wouldn't be, really), there's no way they keep Jerebko in that situation, and it's unlikely Turner sticks around as well.  Not the end of the world, because obviously we'd take Horford and KD, but we can't have our cake and eat it too in terms of keeping in tact Boston's bench.

@dangercart broke this down recently. http://www.celticshub.com/2016/02/22/57838/

He said it would be easiest to trade for a max player and then sign one, but it looks like if they followed his plan and also waived Jonas (according to his last chart) they'd have enough to sign 2 max free agents, the BKN pick, and a second round pick (all other picks being traded or stashed.) There would be no more room for free agents without a trade then. I'd be ok with that.... The idea of adding Durant, Horford, and a top 5 pick to this team while losing Turner, Johnson, Jerebko and most likely Zeller is an easy price to stomach. You still have a bench of Smart, Hunter, Rozier, Young, Mickey, Olynyk, Sullinger, BKN pick and 2nd rounder. You could bundle a few of these guys together in a trade for a vet.

Re: Rumor: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2016, 04:27:11 PM »

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This story is going to get white hot especially when he comes here next Wednesday. Why do you think I got the head start on it when I did?
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Re: Rumor: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2016, 04:29:16 PM »

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This story is going to get white hot especially when he comes here next Wednesday. Why do you think I got the head start on it when I did?

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Re: Rumor: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2016, 04:29:59 PM »

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OKC is not going to the finals this year.

Unless a major injury happens to Steph Curry, Kawhi Leonard, or Chris Paul. Those 3 pretty much dominate the West. OKC won't beat them in a 7-game series. Well, they might be able to squeak by the Clippers, but none of the other two after that.

So come join the Celtics, Durant. You will finally beat LeBron James multiple times. You will also go to the finals.  :angel:

OKC has had a better record than the Clippers all year, yet somehow the Clippers now "dominate the West"?

Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2016, 04:38:03 PM »

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Boston has as legit a shot as any at signing him, imho.
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Re: Rumor: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2016, 04:57:40 PM »

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This story is going to get white hot especially when he comes here next Wednesday. Why do you think I got the head start on it when I did?

Excited for the following Sunday  ;D
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Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2016, 05:21:13 PM »

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None of the teams he might go to will provide him a better platform for winning a title than playing alongside fellow MVP candidate Russell Westbrook.  No other team can offer a 1-2 punch of that caliber (I don't buy for a moment that he'd consider the Warriors, where he'd be #2).

Durant may well leave OKC if they fail to make the Finals ... after next season, when Westbrook also takes a hard look at signing elsewhere.

If your a Top 5 Player in the league.... I'm pretty sure you feel like your capable of being the best.  So If Durant did in fact go to the Warriors, he might think and well could be the number 1 option on that team. 

He'd be crazy not to go.  Title town for years to come. 
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Re: Rumor: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2016, 05:24:12 PM »

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Their depth is terrible. I see absolutely no chance that this happens. I put the Clippers above them with no hesitation. For all his faults, Green was a substantial upgrade at their weakest position, all due respect to PP.

Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2016, 05:31:19 PM »

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None of the teams he might go to will provide him a better platform for winning a title than playing alongside fellow MVP candidate Russell Westbrook.  No other team can offer a 1-2 punch of that caliber (I don't buy for a moment that he'd consider the Warriors, where he'd be #2).

Durant may well leave OKC if they fail to make the Finals ... after next season, when Westbrook also takes a hard look at signing elsewhere.

If your a Top 5 Player in the league.... I'm pretty sure you feel like your capable of being the best.  So If Durant did in fact go to the Warriors, he might think and well could be the number 1 option on that team. 

He'd be crazy not to go.  Title town for years to come.
First, Ill admit Im completely trying to talk myself into a scenario where he doesnt go to GSW because that is terrifying.

If GSW wins the finals for the second year built around Green Klay Steph with team control over everyone relevant for at least another year, why risk a chemistry disaster by bringing in a guy like KD?

They could very realistically be coming off of the most dominant season in league history. you dont mess with that. (hopefully)

If I can put myself in denial about GSW and we stipulate that he leaves OKC (which I dont believe for a minute) then Id say us and Toronto have the two best odds.

the potential Boston-Toronto EC semis could be for the right to be KDs third option.

Re: Durant Will Leave if Thunder Don't Make the Finals
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2016, 06:05:32 PM »

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None of the teams he might go to will provide him a better platform for winning a title than playing alongside fellow MVP candidate Russell Westbrook.  No other team can offer a 1-2 punch of that caliber (I don't buy for a moment that he'd consider the Warriors, where he'd be #2).

Durant may well leave OKC if they fail to make the Finals ... after next season, when Westbrook also takes a hard look at signing elsewhere.
wow i'll stop at this one. Are you serious? You're joking right? KD will never find a better place and better teammate then Russell freaking Westbrook?? Man do you watch any of their games? Do you watch basketball in general? You know it's a team game?
As long as KD is playing behind or with him he will not win an NBA championship. Russ is not made to be a team player. He can contain it sometimes like the game vs. the Bucks, but mostly he's so selfish that most of the possessions in the fourth quarters belong to him. He's got pretty good team with Ibaka, Kanter and those guys but he just doesn't pass. I get a sens that all of his teammates are affraid of him. seriously I do... Sam Presti had a luck at the draft but since that he's done a poor job. He can't find right coach who could contain RW. If you ask me they should trade Westbrook for some young star, couple quality players and high pick, sign KD, find some experienced coach like Thibs and they could be in no time in race with the Warriors and the Spurs for the title. You could say that they are now but they are miles away from both.
So yes, I believe the story, KD will leave that team if RW stays.