Can Mickey please take all Zeller's minutes?

[nickagneta]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

are you sure?

3 blocks in one possession garbage time or not is pretty impressive

lets see Zeller, Jerebko do that.  both on the court

Positive.

As you are want to say: Did you watch the game? Mickey was lost out there for 100 seconds and played amazing for 5 seconds.

Did you see Jerebko hit three three pointers in the game while playing great perimeter defense and box his man out tremendously? Let's see Mickey do that.

Did you see Zeller setting excellent screens up top and play great pick and roll offense? Let's see Mickey do that!

I have nothing against the kid. He has immense potential as a rim protector and if he learns to rely less on his athleticism to out jump people for rebounds and actually boxes them out first, has the potential to be a great rebounder as well. But he gets lost constantly. He ball watches. He doesn't play the pick and roll well on either end of the floor and he isn't necessarily a good screener. His hands need work and I have yet to see that he has any outside game even though his stats for the D League says he can hit a three pointer(but we also know defense doesn't really exist on the perimeter in the D League). He still has so much to learn and so much to develop. He has the potential, but he isn't there yet. He just isn't ready for minutes yet.

[nickagneta]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

He does more than dunk and block shots. In fact there is one thing he does better than blocking shots. His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll. Moves well on help D. He just has a natural feel for positioning.

I feel your arguments on this thread have been kind of silly. Just because Brad chooses to not play him doesn't mean he can't contribute on this team. He's not Gerald Green. He's not James Young. So stop comparing him to clueless rookies. It's a weak argument to say well he's not playing so he must be dumb like Gerald Green.

Never once called him dumb or compared him to Gerald. Go back and read and DO NOT put words in my mouth.

[Snakehead]

His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll.

What are you basing this on?  The D-League?  He runs a "great" pick and roll for the NBA?  There is no way he touches Zeller in either category.  Zeller has glaring weaknesses but this is where he has real skill and Mickey hasn't shown anything close.

Not that he has gotten the minutes but I think you're basing that off no real evidence.  Unless you count the D-League, where yeah he looked like he could do it, but so do a lot of guys that can't even make an NBA roster.

To me there are two things Mickey can do right away: block shots and score garbage points.  Anything else I don't see him doing well right now.  Zeller can contribute much more in his areas at this moment I believe.  Zeller is strong in the pick and roll (with the ability and size to finish, pop, and draw in defenders to give others good looks), runs the floor very well, can score some garbage points, and is seven feet tall.  Those are all helpful factors.  Again, I say that as someone who is pretty down on Zeller.

This reeks of the old obsession for a "rim protector" that his board has.  As if that was always the last thing to put us over.

I think next year Mickey can get some minutes but he is not ready.  I'm also someone who has been quite critical of Stevens for not playing some younger players over veterans but this is just not a case of that being a mistake.

[nickagneta]

His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll.

What are you basing this on?  The D-League?  He runs a "great" pick and roll for the NBA?  There is no way he touches Zeller in either category.  Zeller has glaring weaknesses but this is where he has real skill and Mickey hasn't shown anything close.

I don't get this either because I have seen nothing but the complete opposite in his minutes in Boston.

[KeepRondo]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

He does more than dunk and block shots. In fact there is one thing he does better than blocking shots. His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll. Moves well on help D. He just has a natural feel for positioning.

I feel your arguments on this thread have been kind of silly. Just because Brad chooses to not play him doesn't mean he can't contribute on this team. He's not Gerald Green. He's not James Young. So stop comparing him to clueless rookies. It's a weak argument to say well he's not playing so he must be dumb like Gerald Green.

Never once called him dumb or compared him to Gerald. Go back and read and DO NOT put words in my mouth.

You pretty much compared him to every other rookie who doesn't get minutes. So you kind of did.

You grouped him with guys like Gerald Green and James Young and other guys who had no mental game as rooks. If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

[nickagneta]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

He does more than dunk and block shots. In fact there is one thing he does better than blocking shots. His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll. Moves well on help D. He just has a natural feel for positioning.

I feel your arguments on this thread have been kind of silly. Just because Brad chooses to not play him doesn't mean he can't contribute on this team. He's not Gerald Green. He's not James Young. So stop comparing him to clueless rookies. It's a weak argument to say well he's not playing so he must be dumb like Gerald Green.

Never once called him dumb or compared him to Gerald. Go back and read and DO NOT put words in my mouth.

You pretty much compared him to every other rookie who doesn't get minutes. So you kind of did.

You grouped him with guys like Gerald Green and James Young and other guys who had no mental game as rooks. If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

Sorry, you again need to go back and read what I wrote. I never said or even implied such things. So I will thank you to stop saying I said things that I never said

[Snakehead]

If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

LOL wow way to elevate discussion and make solid points.

[KeepRondo]

His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll.

What are you basing this on?  The D-League?  He runs a "great" pick and roll for the NBA?  There is no way he touches Zeller in either category.  Zeller has glaring weaknesses but this is where he has real skill and Mickey hasn't shown anything close.

Not that he has gotten the minutes but I think you're basing that off no real evidence.  Unless you count the D-League, where yeah he looked like he could do it, but so do a lot of guys that can't even make an NBA roster.

I'm basing it on what I've seen.

I don't need advanced stats or analysts telling me what to think to know who can play and who can't.

[KeepRondo]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

He does more than dunk and block shots. In fact there is one thing he does better than blocking shots. His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll. Moves well on help D. He just has a natural feel for positioning.

I feel your arguments on this thread have been kind of silly. Just because Brad chooses to not play him doesn't mean he can't contribute on this team. He's not Gerald Green. He's not James Young. So stop comparing him to clueless rookies. It's a weak argument to say well he's not playing so he must be dumb like Gerald Green.

Never once called him dumb or compared him to Gerald. Go back and read and DO NOT put words in my mouth.

You pretty much compared him to every other rookie who doesn't get minutes. So you kind of did.

You grouped him with guys like Gerald Green and James Young and other guys who had no mental game as rooks. If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

Sorry, you again need to go back and read what I wrote. I never said or even implied such things. So I will thank you to stop saying I said things that I never said

I read the whole back and forth you had with Budweiser and thought you couldn't be more wrong.

You can't group Mickey with every other rookie that came through Doc or Stevens. It's a thin argument you were making.

[Snakehead]

His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll.

What are you basing this on?  The D-League?  He runs a "great" pick and roll for the NBA?  There is no way he touches Zeller in either category.  Zeller has glaring weaknesses but this is where he has real skill and Mickey hasn't shown anything close.

Not that he has gotten the minutes but I think you're basing that off no real evidence.  Unless you count the D-League, where yeah he looked like he could do it, but so do a lot of guys that can't even make an NBA roster.

I'm basing it on what I've seen.

I don't need advanced stats or analysts to know who can play and who can't.

Oh yeah all those pick and rolls he has run expertly in the NBA I must've just been asleep at all those moments.

[KeepRondo]

If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

LOL wow way to elevate discussion and make solid points.

I made a solid point.

Thanks.

[Snakehead]

If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

LOL wow way to elevate discussion and make solid points.

I made a solid point.

Thanks.

You even said you didn't but sure.  Share your game tape of his pick and rolls.

[nickagneta]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

He does more than dunk and block shots. In fact there is one thing he does better than blocking shots. His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll. Moves well on help D. He just has a natural feel for positioning.

I feel your arguments on this thread have been kind of silly. Just because Brad chooses to not play him doesn't mean he can't contribute on this team. He's not Gerald Green. He's not James Young. So stop comparing him to clueless rookies. It's a weak argument to say well he's not playing so he must be dumb like Gerald Green.

Never once called him dumb or compared him to Gerald. Go back and read and DO NOT put words in my mouth.

You pretty much compared him to every other rookie who doesn't get minutes. So you kind of did.

You grouped him with guys like Gerald Green and James Young and other guys who had no mental game as rooks. If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

Sorry, you again need to go back and read what I wrote. I never said or even implied such things. So I will thank you to stop saying I said things that I never said

I read the whole back and forth you had with Budweiser and thought you couldn't be more wrong.

You can't group Mickey with every other rookie that came through Doc or Stevens. It's a thin argument you were making.

Who said I was grouping him with other players. Every case is individual. Doc had rooks and youngsters he played because he didn't have players in front of them that were better than those players. Stevens is doing the same thing. Boston is the youngest team in the league. Stevens is obviously playing youth.

But Mickey isn't ready yet. As of this very instance, Zeller is the better player and brings more to the table as an all around player. So Stevens is playing him.

Does that mean I said Zeller will always be the better player? No. Does that mean that Zeller has more potential than Mickey? No. Does that mean that Mickey is in the same class as players like Young, Giddens, Bill Walker, and a host of other young players that came through here and never saw time? No.

So stop assuming that is what I am saying because its not. So once again. Stop saying I am saying stuff I am not.

[KeepRondo]

I'm starting to love Mickey more and more and more. 3 blocks in one possession, my god

Exactly, one possession. A possession in garbage time where a dysfunctional offense had no other option going for it but to drive into a clogged lane because no one could hit an outside shot.

Before that time Mickey appeared lost on both ends of the floor being out of position and doing a bunch of ball watching while also mishandling the ball and turning it over. The kid had one good 5 second spurt.

People loving blocks is no different than people loving dunks. Being a good dunker doesn't make you a good ballplayer. Same goes for blocking shots, especially when those shots tend to be in garbage time versus second and third stringers that have made up their mind they have to drive inside even when they shouldn't be.

Listen, I have nothing against Mickey. He has loads of potential. He will get his chance next year to prove he has a skill beyond being able to block shots. Hopefully he will show that he has learned the offense and defense better and can work and be productive. But let's stop pretending that he deserves minutes because he can block some shots. His offense is bad and he gets lost on defense unless someone is driving right at him or because his man stays put in the paint.

Right now Zeller and Jerebko bring a load more to the table in the way of a complete game and they deserve the minutes as does Olynyk when he returns. Mickey needs to wait until next year.

He does more than dunk and block shots. In fact there is one thing he does better than blocking shots. His ability of moving without the ball is one of the best I've seen from a rookie in a while. He runs a great pick and roll. Moves well on help D. He just has a natural feel for positioning.

I feel your arguments on this thread have been kind of silly. Just because Brad chooses to not play him doesn't mean he can't contribute on this team. He's not Gerald Green. He's not James Young. So stop comparing him to clueless rookies. It's a weak argument to say well he's not playing so he must be dumb like Gerald Green.

Never once called him dumb or compared him to Gerald. Go back and read and DO NOT put words in my mouth.

You pretty much compared him to every other rookie who doesn't get minutes. So you kind of did.

You grouped him with guys like Gerald Green and James Young and other guys who had no mental game as rooks. If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

Sorry, you again need to go back and read what I wrote. I never said or even implied such things. So I will thank you to stop saying I said things that I never said

I read the whole back and forth you had with Budweiser and thought you couldn't be more wrong.

You can't group Mickey with every other rookie that came through Doc or Stevens. It's a thin argument you were making.

Who said I was grouping him with other players. Every case is individual. Doc had rooks and youngsters he played because he didn't have players in front of them that were better than those players. Stevens is doing the same thing. Boston is the youngest team in the league. Stevens is obviously playing youth.

But Mickey isn't ready yet. As of this very instance, Zeller is the better player and brings more to the table as an all around player. So Stevens is playing him.

Does that mean I said Zeller will always be the better player? No. Does that mean that Zeller has more potential than Mickey? No. Does that mean that Mickey is in the same class as players like Young, Giddens, Bill Walker, and a host of other young players that came through here and never saw time? No.

So stop assuming that is what I am saying because its not. So once again. Stop saying I am saying stuff I am not.

I think its pretty clear what you said and what can be implied.

I think I got it right.

[KeepRondo]

If you want to make a shallow argument then you will get shallow responses to your thin argument.

LOL wow way to elevate discussion and make solid points.

I made a solid point.

Thanks.

You even said you didn't but sure.  Share your game tape of his pick and rolls.

I'll let you know when I upload it.