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Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2016, 11:46:33 PM »

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I don't get being upset over Rozier but not being upset over Mickey. Both players have excelled at the D League level, both had good Summer Leagues, and both have shown very little in the little time they have been given and the head coach doesn't show confidence in using either player. I gotta think. I have to be excited about equally for both players given what they have shown.

Yup.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2016, 12:21:39 AM »

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James Young is gonna be great in a year or two.
Hunter will be a solid contributor in a year or two.
Rozier will be traded for a super-star or will be AB/Smart insurance.

It wouldn't shock me if Ainge traded IT for Noel this off-season.
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Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2016, 12:32:42 AM »

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James Young is gonna be great in a year or two.
Hunter will be a solid contributor in a year or two.
Rozier will be traded for a super-star or will be AB/Smart insurance.

It wouldn't shock me if Ainge traded IT for Noel this off-season.
I would be shocked if Ainge traded IT for Noel.

Very very shocked.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2016, 12:58:29 AM »

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Terry Rozier has the potential to be a go to scorer in the NBA. It's why he was picked.
He needs to work on being a facilitator as well but the kid can absolutely ball.

https://youtu.be/4NjbF7OVmOk

Check out his moves and fluidity with the ball especially attacking the rim...




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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2016, 04:30:36 AM »

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James Young is gonna be great in a year or two.
Hunter will be a solid contributor in a year or two.
Rozier will be traded for a super-star or will be AB/Smart insurance.

It wouldn't shock me if Ainge traded IT for Noel this off-season.

James Young is going to be great in a year or two?  Maybe in China.  I just don't see it.

Rozier the jury is out on but he has the upside.  Hunter has been a disappointment - he was the rookie I was most excited about.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2016, 05:44:43 AM »

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I disagree with OP on Rozier.

The only other PG we have is IT.

Moreover, Rozier is super fast and his shootings has showed signs of improvements.

He can well develop into a serviceable back up player.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2016, 06:53:00 AM »

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hunter in d league plays rather subdued basketball as not only does he not have game legs his timing and experience has been all around nba players-unless he gets streaky he plays solid basketball
,now frazier is a true point guard and can takeover a game-he could have easily taken pressey's place-

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2016, 06:57:18 AM »

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how can anyone be disappointed with these guys? have you seen them play enough at this level? did you really think these guys would be reg. rotation players this season?

maybe they play well in practice but not ready to replace the guys ahead of them.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2016, 07:43:17 AM »

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Jeesh, you guys are a hard audience!  These three rooks have hardly played!  Not because they have no talent, but because there are two or three vets in front of each of them.  Being that we're trying to win this year, they're gonna have to improve in practice, and practices are pretty rare during the season. 
Personally, I think D league only hurts players, as the quality of play there is really bad.  Think they p/u more bad habits than good.  The best way for someone to improve greatly at anything is to play with the best!
On any non playoff team(say put these guys on the Suns or Nets), these guys would be rotation players, and would have made great strides by this time of year, and on there way to becoming solid NBA players.
A year with us has been a wasted year, basically.  It has stunted their developement, and maybe destroyed whatever chance they had to be part of our future.  They will be relevant players in the NBA, but I very much doubt with the Celtics!

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2016, 08:05:51 AM »

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I am impressed by RJ Hunter and Terry Rozier.

I didn't expect Rozier to make any impact his rookie year. I thought he'd be in the D-League or on the end of the bench eating pine. His PG skills were too limited in college to make him an NBA ready player. I do think he has a bright future though and can see him forcing his way into the Celtics team next season or the season after.

RJ Hunter was a much better all-round player than I had expected based on draft talk about him. A better team defender. A better rebounder. A much better passer and has a good handle. He has struggled with his shot but that happens with rookies. I think he has a good future in the NBA too.

James Young I am more on the fence on. Never high on J.Young due to limited all-round game in NCAA but he has some talent.

I had expected a slow and gradual development from J.Young rather than a quick one due all the various holes in his game. I had hoped J.Young would grow from a non-rotation player to a below average / poor rotation player this season. I think he might have made that leap but it's hard to tell because Celtics rotation is so strong that opportunities have been limited. I just wanted to see J.Young improve his defense enough from god-awful to below average. That was my only hope for him this season. He did improve his defense some but not sure if it was enough. So he might be on the curve or a bit behind the curve ... but it was always going to be a long slow growth process for someone so flawed so not that down on him yet. Next year will be more telling.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2016, 08:58:21 AM »

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this is not a criticism of rozier,maybe it the length of his arms,maybe its style but his rhythm of stop start and side to side to accomodate his bursts-i'm used to change of direction ,shorter crossovers and a point guard that gets and knows where he is going and plays to get his teamates in best position-time and experience are necessary for a point guard in nba-rozier for all his defencive hype struggles getting over a screen-marcus is just gifted with strength,length for getting over and though screens and avery darts and slides over with little contact-rozier has to develope his technique as he gets hung up
frazier for red claws a much more developed point guard from passing and knowing where he is going and where his teamates will be but he is 25
hunter plays better with better players he uses his bbiq and plays defence often by channeling his man into bigs or using wingspan to disrupt-his strength and conditioning an issue-last trip to maine he had to have himself taken out -was sick,winded or taken a hit-is he a chucker or a shooter,do these long stretches and a few minutes  at garbage time really matter-its one thing to block shots or collect some points around rim but to play cohesive offence and defence rj has shown the most early on but that doen't happen in garbage time-
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Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2016, 09:03:12 AM »

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Jeesh, you guys are a hard audience!  These three rooks have hardly played!  Not because they have no talent, but because there are two or three vets in front of each of them.  Being that we're trying to win this year, they're gonna have to improve in practice, and practices are pretty rare during the season. 
Personally, I think D league only hurts players, as the quality of play there is really bad.  Think they p/u more bad habits than good.  The best way for someone to improve greatly at anything is to play with the best!
On any non playoff team(say put these guys on the Suns or Nets), these guys would be rotation players, and would have made great strides by this time of year, and on there way to becoming solid NBA players.
A year with us has been a wasted year, basically.  It has stunted their developement, and maybe destroyed whatever chance they had to be part of our future.  They will be relevant players in the NBA, but I very much doubt with the Celtics!
of course the best way is to play with the team, but you cant do that and still win games. The d league helps by giving the chance for players to work on their game. It also helps with their confidence. In an interview in the past, bradley said that playing in the d league boosted his confidence after it was shattered by his bad stints eith the team. He said playing in the d league reminded him on what he could do and improve without pressure. Some guys.like smart are better suited to the main team rather than d league, but guys like ab will benefit from the stint.

Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2016, 09:20:16 AM »

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I think this is a problem of expectations. A top 3 team in the east and a top 7 team overall shouldn't cause people to expect things from the youngest players on the team. Expecting a rookie to contribute on a team performing as well as we are is unrealistic, but since most people expected this to be a rebuilding year fans are looking at our young players too intently.

Sure Young hasn't earned a ton of time this year but he's playing behind veterans and a top 6 pick. If you remove the names would you expect a 20 year old to have forced his way into the rotation on a team that could win 50 games that has great depth? We have to have some developmental prospects on the roster and it would make sense that the youngest player on the team should be one of them.

Rozier was actually an upside pick similar to Young, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect anything out of him immediately. He was drafted due to his athleticism, work ethic and potential all those things scream that he's not ready now. With the roster we have it wouldn't have made sense to draft anyone who is ready now anyway.

Hunter was a pick at the very end of the first, the success rate of picks in that area is very low. If he doesn't succeed there is no reason to get depressed. You shouldn't get depressed because you should have expected a player picked that low to fail, because the probability was high that a pick like that didn't succeed.

We already have a team where the majority of the players are less than 26. You shouldn't be looking to the developmental players as guys that need to perform now. If Ainge hits on two of Rozier, Mickey, Young and Hunter then he is doing better with picks in that range than most of the gms in the NBA.
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Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 09:36:38 AM »

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Many things to like about Rozier, he's quick, he has a strong handle, and gets to where he wants to, his defense will be strong. He'll score pretty well in the NBA, but finding the open man seems to be the last thing on his mind. I'm not sure he's a PG. We don't need another undersized 2 guard. Bobby Portis was the guy we should have drafted. We need bigs with size, toughness and length in the worst way.

I don't see Young making it, he's shown very little improvement over the last 2 years. I understand he's young, and he seems very immature. He's not even showing very well in the D-league anymore...not a good sign.

RJ will find his shot, his college stats show he's a solid long range shooter, and a sound all around scorer. I like his length, and size. He passes well, and seems to defend pretty good. We need to be patient with him.
IMO his shot isn't falling because he has too much to think about right now.

Free Mickey...I think he's gonna be a very solid defensive presents, and he's growing on offense. Get him some minutes this year, and it will pay dividends next year.


Re: Where I get to be depressed about Young, Hunter, and Rozier.
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2016, 10:10:49 AM »

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Three guys who are way down on the rotation who have gotten very little chance to develope on the NBA court .

They need minutes to blossom .   Took a while for AB to see court enough to get to solid starter role