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Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2016, 05:46:20 PM »

Offline celticmania

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I'm pretty surprised at how low Zeller is on some lists.

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2016, 05:57:50 PM »

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It4
Smart
Crowder
Sully
AB
Olynyk
Amir
Turner
Jerebko
Mickey
Rozier
Rj
Zeller
Young

This is my order.  Although I could see it being Crowder second because of depth at the wing.


I'm pretty surprised at how low Zeller is on some lists.

Perhaps a bit low, but when he wasn't playing the team was doing really well.  He has been playing more now with Olynyk hurt and hasn't been playing all that well either.  I would rather play Olynyk any of the minutes you might give to Zeller if both are healthy.
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Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2016, 06:12:07 PM »

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Thomas
Crowder
Bradley
Turner
Smart
Sully
Olynyk
Johnson
Jerebko
Zeller
Mickey
Hunter
Rozier
Young

Some people on here have Turner way too low. Easily our second best playmaker and is so versatile.
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Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2016, 06:24:49 PM »

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IT
Bradley
Crowder
Smart
Amir
Turner
Sully
Olynyk
Zeller
Jerebko
Hunter
Mickey
Rozier
Young

God, we are so deep. I can't understand how people have Bradley out of the top 4. Best two-way player on the team imo, JUST ahead of Crowder.

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2016, 06:27:15 PM »

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I'm pretty surprised at how low Zeller is on some lists.

It's how he has been used this year.

Last year, over the course of the entire season, Zeller was probably the most consistent contributor on the team, since Isaiah was only here after the deadline, and missed a couple weeks to boot.

Zeller has ceded much of that role to Amir this year, though, and he's still working his way back from getting jerked around earlier in the season as the team tried to fit him alongside David Lee.
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Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2016, 06:29:49 PM »

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Thomas
Crowder
Bradley
Turner
Smart
Sully
Olynyk
Johnson
Jerebko
Zeller
Mickey
Hunter
Rozier
Young

Some people on here have Turner way too low. Easily our second best playmaker and is so versatile.

Net Rating when each player is not on the floor.

Turner   +6.2
Lee        +5.5
Zeller     +4.9
Jerebko  +3.5
Thomas  +3.5
Johnson  +3.3
Smart     +3.2
Sully       +3.2
Olynyk    +2.7
Bradley   +2.1
Crowder  +.7

  This team has been at it's best when guys like Turner, Lee and Zeller are not on the floor.  The team performs much worse without Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk. 


Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2016, 06:43:12 PM »

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You have to factor in age and contract into this equation:

1) Smart
2) Olynyk
3) IT
4) Crowder
5) Sullinger
6) Bradley
7) Amir
8) Zeller
9) Turner
10) Jerebko
11) Mickey
12) Rozier
13) Hunter
13) Young

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2016, 06:58:33 PM »

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IMO some of you have Smart to high, I'd like to put him higher but right now he hasn't earned it, maybe it's because he is a high draft pick and you're being hopeful?

IT
Crowder
AB
Turner
Sully - still not a fan
Smart
KO
Zeller
Amir - not a fan
Jerebko

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2016, 07:02:24 PM »

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1)Smart

2) Smart


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Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2016, 07:57:08 PM »

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Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2016, 08:00:08 PM »

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  The impact Smart and Olynyk have on this team is still vastly underrated.

This year the 2 most highly successful pairings that have played at least 200 minutes together are Olynyk/smart +17.2 points per 48 minutes (408 minutes), and Olynyk/Crowder +14.9 points per 48 (549 minutes).

Last year the 2 most highly successful pairings that played at least 350 minutes together were Olynyk/Smart +13.8 points per 48 minutes (609 minutes), and Olynyk/Crowder +11.5 points per 48 (391 minutes).

1)Crowder, Smart, Olynyk (in some order)

4)Thomas, Sully, Johnson, Bradley (in some order)

8)Jerebko, Turner

10)Zeller

  All of them have made positive impacts overall except Zeller who has been bad on both ends of the floor.

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2016, 08:02:00 PM »

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Thomas
Crowder
Bradley
Turner
Smart
Sully
Olynyk
Johnson
Jerebko
Zeller
Mickey
Hunter
Rozier
Young

Some people on here have Turner way too low. Easily our second best playmaker and is so versatile.

Net Rating when each player is not on the floor.

Turner   +6.2
Lee        +5.5
Zeller     +4.9
Jerebko  +3.5
Thomas  +3.5
Johnson  +3.3
Smart     +3.2
Sully       +3.2
Olynyk    +2.7
Bradley   +2.1
Crowder  +.7

  This team has been at it's best when guys like Turner, Lee and Zeller are not on the floor.  The team performs much worse without Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk.

I don't know where you're getting these numbers from, but I checked out Turner and that does not seem to be accurate.

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2016, 08:12:09 PM »

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Thomas
Crowder
Bradley
Turner
Smart
Sully
Olynyk
Johnson
Jerebko
Zeller
Mickey
Hunter
Rozier
Young

Some people on here have Turner way too low. Easily our second best playmaker and is so versatile.

Net Rating when each player is not on the floor.

Turner   +6.2
Lee        +5.5
Zeller     +4.9
Jerebko  +3.5
Thomas  +3.5
Johnson  +3.3
Smart     +3.2
Sully       +3.2
Olynyk    +2.7
Bradley   +2.1
Crowder  +.7

  This team has been at it's best when guys like Turner, Lee and Zeller are not on the floor.  The team performs much worse without Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk.

I don't know where you're getting these numbers from, but I checked out Turner and that does not seem to be accurate.
With Turner on the floor the Celtics have an Off. Rat. of 100.7 and a Def. Rat. of 98.3 for a Net Rat. of +2.4.  With only Zeller and Lee's #'s being worse.

  With Turner off the floor the Celtics have an Off. Rat. of 107.8 and a Def. Rat. of 101.6 for a Net Rat. of +6.2.  By the #'s the Celtics have performed the best when he is not on the floor.  Even slightly better than without Lee and Zeller.

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2016, 09:05:11 PM »

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Crowder
IT
Sully
Olynyk
Amir
Smart
Bradley
Turner
Jerebko
Zeller

Re: Rank our most valuable (best) players
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2016, 09:08:23 PM »

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i started ranking it and thought

1 IT
2 Smart

then I was like "F it. Give Brad Stevens some scrubs and Globetrotter rejects and he'll give you a playoff team"