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Bird vs Lebron age 30
« on: March 01, 2016, 05:14:06 PM »

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Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2016, 05:20:17 PM »

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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.
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Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2016, 05:52:21 PM »

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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.




 Not fair to compare? Wait.. What??? It's fair to compare them age 22 till now.

 Bird avg over 10 RPG 6 times and avg 9.8 RPG in another. Maxing out at 11 RPG.

 Lebron avg 8RPG one time. They ironically avg the exact same spg at 1.7 and Bpg at .8 over their career.

 Bird obviously amuch better shooter Ft% and 3p%.

 Birds better. End of story.

Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2016, 06:34:12 PM »

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No one will ever know whos better.   EVER... to close of players, different rules.  Different teammates.   Lets enjoy them both for what they gave to the game.    I feel they are some of the best players to ever step on the court.   You could argue that they would have been perfect teammates and started together too.

Either way   I'd take a healthy Larry Bird in the clutch, but wouldnt mind a Lebron all year long as my teammate.     
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Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2016, 06:49:23 PM »

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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.




 Not fair to compare? Wait.. What??? It's fair to compare them age 22 till now.

 Bird avg over 10 RPG 6 times and avg 9.8 RPG in another. Maxing out at 11 RPG.

 Lebron avg 8RPG one time. They ironically avg the exact same spg at 1.7 and Bpg at .8 over their career.

 Bird obviously amuch better shooter Ft% and 3p%.

 Birds better. End of story.



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No even close in passing, 3 point %, and Ft%, and IQ, I don't remember Larry continually complaining to refs either. Larry was one of the 2 or 3 best clutch performers of all time. 

Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2016, 07:34:35 PM »

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 Tp Rosco. And don't even get me started on the intangibles, where Larry wins every conceivable category. Mental toughness, Leadership, toughness, in the greatest Era in Basketball history.

 It's such a no Brainer. Jalen Rose said "you can't put Lebron ahead of Bird without a Cavs championship"

Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2016, 07:46:26 PM »

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We HAVE to add in that Larry Bird and all the players of the era never had the officials protecting players like they do today.  It started with Jordan and now it's pretty rough to watch a lot of nba games.  Lebron plays REALLY hard on both ends and is in shock when a foul is called on him.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2016, 08:37:55 PM »

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I had honestly thought that I was ready to give Lebron the the nod over Bird. Then I really watched him in the playoffs and realized why Bird was still the better player-it was his mental game! Bird literally controlled the game long before it was decided. I have seen few players ever who can do this and that ability alone makes him better then Lebron, never mind that Bron can't even take over games on the offensive end when he has to.


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Bird had back issues.   LeBron 's game is more based on athletic ability than skill, though his skills have got better.   I agree, Bird had the better mental game.   When LeBron begins to fail, I am not sure he will have the skills for an adjustment but then the back issues really hurt Bird too.

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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2016, 10:01:30 AM »

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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.




 Not fair to compare? Wait.. What??? It's fair to compare them age 22 till now.

 Bird avg over 10 RPG 6 times and avg 9.8 RPG in another. Maxing out at 11 RPG.

 Lebron avg 8RPG one time. They ironically avg the exact same spg at 1.7 and Bpg at .8 over their career.

 Bird obviously amuch better shooter Ft% and 3p%.

 Birds better. End of story.
pace matters.  Lot more shots in Bird's time (thus more opportunities for points, rebounds, assists, etc.).  Bird was the better rebounder with a career RB% of 14.5, while James is at 10.8, however James is a significantly more proficient passer, Bird 24.7% while James is at 34.9% (and it wasn't a late career slide by Bird as his last 3 seasons were all well above his career average).  How about TS%, Bird above 60% just twice (and above 57% just two other times), James is already above 60% 4 times with 3 other times above 57% (he is currently above 57% which would make 4).  Bird scored 1.26 pps in his career, James is at 1.38 right now.  The numbers are fairly similar in the playoffs as well. 
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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.




 Not fair to compare? Wait.. What??? It's fair to compare them age 22 till now.

 Bird avg over 10 RPG 6 times and avg 9.8 RPG in another. Maxing out at 11 RPG.

 Lebron avg 8RPG one time. They ironically avg the exact same spg at 1.7 and Bpg at .8 over their career.

 Bird obviously amuch better shooter Ft% and 3p%.

 Birds better. End of story.
pace matters.  Lot more shots in Bird's time (thus more opportunities for points, rebounds, assists, etc.).  Bird was the better rebounder with a career RB% of 14.5, while James is at 10.8, however James is a significantly more proficient passer, Bird 24.7% while James is at 34.9% (and it wasn't a late career slide by Bird as his last 3 seasons were all well above his career average).  How about TS%, Bird above 60% just twice (and above 57% just two other times), James is already above 60% 4 times with 3 other times above 57% (he is currently above 57% which would make 4).  Bird scored 1.26 pps in his career, James is at 1.38 right now.  The numbers are fairly similar in the playoffs as well.

Pace does matter.  So do the changes in rules to favor the offense and to make the game less physical in the current era. 


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Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2016, 10:34:09 AM »

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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.




 Not fair to compare? Wait.. What??? It's fair to compare them age 22 till now.

 Bird avg over 10 RPG 6 times and avg 9.8 RPG in another. Maxing out at 11 RPG.

 Lebron avg 8RPG one time. They ironically avg the exact same spg at 1.7 and Bpg at .8 over their career.

 Bird obviously amuch better shooter Ft% and 3p%.

 Birds better. End of story.
pace matters.  Lot more shots in Bird's time (thus more opportunities for points, rebounds, assists, etc.).  Bird was the better rebounder with a career RB% of 14.5, while James is at 10.8, however James is a significantly more proficient passer, Bird 24.7% while James is at 34.9% (and it wasn't a late career slide by Bird as his last 3 seasons were all well above his career average).  How about TS%, Bird above 60% just twice (and above 57% just two other times), James is already above 60% 4 times with 3 other times above 57% (he is currently above 57% which would make 4).  Bird scored 1.26 pps in his career, James is at 1.38 right now.  The numbers are fairly similar in the playoffs as well.

Pace does matter.  So do the changes in rules to favor the offense and to make the game less physical in the current era.
and yet those rule changes haven't led to more points, more shots, etc.  It is definitely a different game, but it is still slower.

EDIT: Compare 85/86 to 12/13 (below are team averages)
FGA - 7268 to 6720
PPG - 110.2 to 98.1 (totals are 9038 to 8041)
FG% - 48.7 to 45.3 (even just 2PT% is 49.5 to 48.3)
RB - 3572 to 3453
AST - 2133 to 1814

So you can say the rules have changed to favor the offense, yet the offense is worse. 

BTW, I chose those two years because the Celtics and Heat had almost identical regular season records, both won the championship, and Bird and James were the league MVP's.
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Re: Bird vs Lebron age 30
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2016, 10:37:03 AM »

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LeBron came into the league at 18, Bird came in at 22. Not really fair to compare them by age, 31 year old LeBron has already played more career games than Larry Legend.




 Not fair to compare? Wait.. What??? It's fair to compare them age 22 till now.

 Bird avg over 10 RPG 6 times and avg 9.8 RPG in another. Maxing out at 11 RPG.

 Lebron avg 8RPG one time. They ironically avg the exact same spg at 1.7 and Bpg at .8 over their career.

 Bird obviously amuch better shooter Ft% and 3p%.

 Birds better. End of story.
pace matters.  Lot more shots in Bird's time (thus more opportunities for points, rebounds, assists, etc.).  Bird was the better rebounder with a career RB% of 14.5, while James is at 10.8, however James is a significantly more proficient passer, Bird 24.7% while James is at 34.9% (and it wasn't a late career slide by Bird as his last 3 seasons were all well above his career average).  How about TS%, Bird above 60% just twice (and above 57% just two other times), James is already above 60% 4 times with 3 other times above 57% (he is currently above 57% which would make 4).  Bird scored 1.26 pps in his career, James is at 1.38 right now.  The numbers are fairly similar in the playoffs as well.

Pace does matter.  So do the changes in rules to favor the offense and to make the game less physical in the current era.
and yet those rule changes haven't led to more points, more shots, etc.  It is definitely a different game, but it is still slower.

Not that I'm taking Lebron's side at all but I think defenses are much more sophisticated today than back then.   

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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2016, 10:59:47 AM »

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Today's modern star players usage rates are far greater than previous eras

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/usg_pct_career.html

Bird's usage rate ranks 42nd ABA/NBA compared to Lebron's 5th all time.

More of a team first game years back, Jordan's brand of basketball and the massive hype it generated didn't do team ball any favours in my mind.

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Bird has more rings in a more competitive era. It's a pretty easy call