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Well, this one threw me a bit.

Jamal Murray at 4 and Skal at 16? I'd jump on Skal if he were still around at 16, but I'm not so sure about that first one...

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1. Philadelphia 76ers


Ben Simmons
LSU
Freshman
Forward


As Kevin Pelton and I noted last week, Brandon Ingram has closed the gap between himself and Simmons. And in some ways, Ingram is a better fit with the Sixers.

They will have a smooth, elite passing 4 in Dario Saric -- when he comes to the U.S. -- and Philadelphia desperately needs shooting. Ingram is much better from deep than Simmons.

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However, all indications from NBA scouts and GMs are that Simmons remains firmly in the lead for the No. 1 pick, wherever it lands, including Philly.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 25 percent, 13-69

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2. Los Angeles Lakers*


Brandon Ingram
Duke
Freshman
Forward


The Lakers must send this pick to the 76ers if it falls to fourth or worse in the lottery. Finishing with the second-worst record would give them a 56 percent chance of keeping this pick.

Ingram's elite talent -- as well as his fit on a Lakers roster that could really use an upgrade at the 3 -- would make this a home run pick for the Lakers.

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Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 19.9 percent, 17-65

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3. Phoenix Suns


Dragan Bender
Croatia
Age: 18
Forward/center


The Suns dumped starting 4 Markieff Morris at the trade deadline, opening up a perfect fit for Bender here.

Like Morris, Bender has the potential to play both inside and outside. He's shooting 48 percent from 3 this year. His playing time has been pretty limited since injuring his ankle in January, but the upside is clearly there. And unlike Morris, there are no off-court concerns. His character is one of his best selling points to NBA teams.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 15.6 percent, 23-59

4. Boston Celtics*


Jamal Murray
Kentucky
Freshman
Guard


The Celtics would have a tough choice here between Murray, Kris Dunn, Henry Ellenson and Jaylen Brown. You could make an argument for all of them.

But Murray's positional versatility, jump shot (33-for-64 from 3 in his past seven games), ultra-competitiveness and high basketball IQ might give him the nod for Danny Ainge, who prizes all of those characteristics.

He's not an elite athlete, and his defense can still use work, but Murray's strengths are heavily outweighing his weaknesses at the moment.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record (via Nets): 11.9 percent, 24-58

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5. Minnesota Timberwolves*


Henry Ellenson
Marquette
Freshman
Forward/center


Minnesota is loaded with young talent but is struggling to compete with the other elite teams in the West and looks destined to land yet another top-5 pick.

The Wolves already have a number of young players they love -- Andrew Wiggins, Karl-Anthony Towns, Zach LaVine, Ricky Rubio and Shabazz Muhammad -- but they could still use some help at the 4.

Ellenson is a perfect fit as a big who can rebound and spread the floor. Think of him as a poor man's Kevin Love.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 8.8 percent, 27-55

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6. Denver Nuggets*


Jaylen Brown
Cal
Freshman
Forward


Denver owns the right to swap picks with the Knicks this year, and given how close their projected records are, it could be a tossup on which pick the Nuggets will end up using.

Brown's elite athletic abilities are what get teams excited. His 3-point shot and tendency to turn the ball over at an unusually high rate for a forward is what's keeping him out of the top 5 right now.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 6.3 percent, 33-49

7. New Orleans Pelicans


Buddy Hield
Oklahoma
Senior
Guard


Hield is having the best season in college basketball this year and has rocketed up the Big Board from a late first-round pick at the start of the season to a top-10 pick now.

He could be a great fit in New Orleans. Eric Gordon is a free agent, and Pelicans head coach Alvin Gentry wants to surround Anthony Davis with shooters. Hield has been the most prolific shooter in college basketball this season and could add some instant firepower to the Pelicans' offense.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 4.3 percent, 34-48

8. Milwaukee Bucks


Kris Dunn
Providence
Junior
Guard


Head coach and de facto GM Jason Kidd is still searching for a point guard that can really turn things around for the Bucks.

Brandon Knight wasn't it. Michael Carter-Williams is a major question mark. Dunn, who could go as high as No. 4, seems like a terrific value here. He's big and athletic, and he sees the floor. His jump shot is the only thing holding him back.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 2.8 percent, 34-48

9. Toronto Raptors*


Jakob Poeltl
Utah
Sophomore
Center


The Raptors get the worse of either the Knicks or Nuggets' first-round picks this year -- a huge boon to a team projected to finish with 53 wins, especially when you factor in that they gave up Andrea Bargnani to get this pick.

Poeltl has the talent of a top-6 pick. I could see both Milwaukee and Toronto taking long looks at him. He has been terrific all year. While a center is far from the most pressing need for the Raptors, the value is so high, it's hard to see them passing on him.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record (via Knicks): 1.7 percent, 34-48

10. Sacramento Kings*


Furkan Korkmaz
Turkey
Age: 18
Forward


The Kings still have major questions in the backcourt. Ben McLemore, Marco Belinelli and James Anderson just haven't been up to the task at the 2.

While the Kings aren't likely to rely on a rookie to improve their playoff odds next season, Korkmaz is a talent worth investing in. He is shooting 48 percent from 3 and has the prototypical size and skills of an NBA 2.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 1.1 percent, 35-47

11. Orlando Magic



Marquese Chriss
Washington
Freshman
Forward


Chriss is a pretty big gamble this high in the draft, but his combination of size, athletic ability, versatility, jump shooting and shot-blocking skills make him a unique prospect.

He could be an excellent fit next to Nikola Vucevic in the paint. He won't be ready right away, but I think he could be a potent addition to the Magic if they can be patient and continue to develop him. He has as much upside as anyone left on the board.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 0.8 percent, 36-46

12. Washington Wizards


Deyonta Davis
Michigan State
Freshman
Forward


Davis is another raw prospect. However, his athleticism and shot-blocking skills are coveted by scouts, and he has shown semblances of a solid midrange game this year.

This is an upside pick all the way for the Wizards, but as they showed last year when they drafted Kelly Oubre, they aren't afraid to roll the dice.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 0.7 percent, 39-43

13. Houston Rockets*


Diamond Stone
Maryland
Freshman
Center


Houston is fighting Utah for that last spot in the Western Conference playoffs. The only upside for the Rockets falling short of the postseason is that they would avoid sending this pick to Denver.

With Dwight Howard's future very much up in the air, Stone would be a nice get for the Rockets. He might be the most offensively polished center in the draft.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 0.6 percent, 40-42

14. Detroit Pistons


Ivan Rabb
Cal
Freshman
Forward/center


The Pistons are also caught in a very tight race for the Eastern Conference playoffs. If they fall short, they can add another young big with significant upside.

Rabb has proved to be an effective rebounder and has added a nice midrange jumper to his game. He needs to get stronger, but I could see him as an Ed Davis-type player in the pros.

Odds of winning lottery, projected record: 0.5 percent, 42-40

15. Utah Jazz


Denzel Valentine
Michigan State
Senior
Forward/guard


Valentine was considered a second-round pick by most scouts after his junior season, but his strong play as a senior has now put him on the cusp of the lottery.

He looks like a terrific fit in Utah for a team that needs to continue to add shooting and passing on the wing. The Jazz would value Valentine's basketball IQ and versatility too. The fact that he's ready to come in and contribute right now is a bonus.

Projected record: 40-42

16. Boston Celtics*


Skal Labissiere
Kentucky
Freshman
Center/forward


Danny Ainge isn't afraid to gamble. This is the Celtics' second pick of the draft, and they can afford to take a risk.

On his play alone, Labissiere doesn't deserve to be drafted in the first round, but scouts continue to see so much upside. His ability to both block shots and stretch the floor is intriguing.

Projected record (via Mavericks): 41-41

17. Portland Trail Blazers*


Timothe Luwawu
France
Age: 20
Guard/forward


The Blazers are the biggest surprise in the NBA this season. Their backcourt has been elite, but they could use some help on the wing.

Luwawu has been terrific for Mega Leks, averaging 15 points per game and shooting 38 percent from 3 in the Adriatic League. His strength and toughness give him some major defensive upside, as well.

Projected record (via Heat): 41-41

18. Chicago Bulls


Wade Baldwin IV
Vanderbilt
Sophomore
Guard


Derrick Rose is still struggling to play like his old self. With Kirk Hinrich gone, the team needs to start thinking about adding a young player who can help out at the point.

Baldwin has been up-and-down all year, but his size and shooting ability make him intriguing to scouts.

Projected record: 42-40

19. Charlotte Hornets


Caris LeVert
Michigan
Senior
Guard/forward


The Hornets added Courtney Lee at the trade deadline to shore up their depth at the wing, but he's a free agent this summer, and LeVert may be a better long-term fit.

He has missed 14 out of the past 15 games with a lower leg injury. Still, his ability to shoot the ball, play three positions and see the floor make him an interesting prospect if he can convince teams that he can stay healthy.

Projected record:44-38

20. Indiana Pacers


Demetrius Jackson
Notre Dame
Junior
Guard


Jackson is a tough, athletic point guard who gets it done on both ends. His jump shot has been a bit shaky this year compared to previous seasons, but he projects by most scouts as a solid starter or really good No. 2 point guard in the league.

He would be a nice backup to George Hill next year.

Projected record: 45-37

21. Atlanta Hawks

Jonathan Jeanne
France
Age: 18
Center/forward


Jeanne is another major upside play. He's not ready yet -- both painfully thin and lacking experience playing at the highest level. But his freakish size (7-foot-3 with a 7-foot-7 wingspan), agility and skill set make him too good to pass up once you start getting out of the lottery.

Projected record (via Rockets): 45-37

22. Memphis Grizzlies



Thomas Bryant
Indiana
Freshman
Center


Bryant's lack of foot speed and elite athleticism hurt his stock, but the guy is money in the paint and has a jump shot that stretches all the way to the 3-point line.

I'm not sure who he guards at the next level, but scouts see upside in him outside the lottery. The Grizzlies could sure use some help off the bench in the paint.

Projected record: 45-37

23. Philadelphia 76ers*


Dejounte Murray
Washington
Freshman
Guard


Murray is such an intriguing prospect. On sheer upside, only Jamal Murray and Kris Dunn surpass him. Blessed with size, athleticism and a flair for the dramatic, he has plenty of scouts drooling about his potential.

However, his lack of a consistent jump shot and his penchant for turnovers give pause. He's not ready, but the Sixers are patient, and at this point in the draft, few players have such a high ceiling.

Projected record (via Heat): 45-37

24. Boston Celtics

Ante Zizic
Croatia
Age: 19
Center


Zizic would be the fifth international player off the board. The Celtics are projected to have three first-round picks at the moment, and I doubt they keep all three.

Zizic is already an elite rebounder, excellent athlete for his size and the perfect draft-and-stash candidate here.

Projected record: 48-34

25. Los Angeles Clippers


Grayson Allen
Duke
Sophomore
Guard


Allen might be a bit undersized, but he has put on a scoring clinic at Duke this season. He is an athletic freak, shoots well and can even play on the ball.

We know how Doc Rivers feels about former Dukies. This should be a good fit.

Projected record: 53-29

26. Toronto Raptors



Domantas Sabonis
Gonzaga
Sophomore
Forward

The Raptors could use a power forward, and few players can match Sabonis' numbers.

His lack of athleticism or a 3-point shot are hurting his stock a bit, but he's one of the best rebounders in the draft and has an incredible basketball IQ. I think this is a steal at No. 26.

Projected record: 55-27

27. Philadelphia 76ers*

Isaiah Cordinier
France
Age: 19
Guard

This would be the Sixers' third first-round pick, and I wouldn't be surprised if they -- like the Celtics -- decided to use it on an international player.

Cordinier is aggressive and athletic. He's also starting to show some major improvement on his jump shot, hitting a crazy 55.6 percent from 3 in the French league this year. He could be good value here at No. 27.

Projected record: 55-27

28. Phoenix Suns


Damian Jones
Vanderbilt
Junior
Center/forward

Jones hasn't had the season NBA scouts were hoping for, but he is big and athletic and looks the part. He just hasn't put it all together yet on a nightly basis.

Still, he's a solid value at this point in the draft.

Projected record (via Cavaliers): 58-24

29. San Antonio Spurs



Stephen Zimmerman
UNLV
Freshman
Center

Zimmerman has been a very good rebounder and solid shot blocker for UNLV, while flashing some perimeter skills. He hasn't had the great freshman year NBA scouts wanted -- and needs to add toughness -- but he's a nice get here.

Projected record: 68-14

30. Golden State Warriors



Jarrod Uthoff
Iowa
Senior
Forward

Utoff is having a fantastic season. He is an athletic wing who can shoot the ball from deep and block shots. He's a really dynamic player who should fit well in the Warriors' system.

Projected record: 72-10


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Brown at 6.... ya this is way off.

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I don't see the Cs keeping all three picks. If things go as expected in the lottery (Celts land outside top-2), I expect to see Danny make a hard push to either move into the top-2 or trade the BKN 1 for an available premier talent. If we're picking #5-8 on draft night, it means Danny failed to find a reasonable deal.


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I think DA is shooting for a trade if he does not get 1 or 2.

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As was stated before I will be shocked in DA drafts 3 players in the first.


With that said I really like the way Ford has this draft playing out.

At #4 I would take Poeltl and Brown ahead of Murray. I think Murray will prove to be a decent bench spark scorer in the league but Poeltl can be a future double double defensive anchor and Brown has a much higher ceiling due to his physical profile.

At #16 I would be thrilled if the Cs landed Scal this late. He is likely a bust but the high ceiling potential is way to intriguing to pass up. I think the Cs give him the best chance out of any team to reach him immense potential and at 16 the risk is limited.

At #24 I really like the pick of Zizic. I admittedly know very little about him but looking at his stats in the adriatic league 13pt 8rb 1.4blk 70%FT in only 24min and his stats in the FIBA U19 and U18 I am really intrigued. In his U19 game vs the USA he put up 16pts and 9rb in 22min.

I would like to add if the draft does play out this way the Cs could then grab a steal in the 2nd by drafting Nigel Hayes.   

Another positive to this draft is that the Cs could move #4 and #16 in a trade for a young vet/star and still come away with Zizic and Hayes
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 07:41:55 AM by CFAN38 »
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Sweet, another pg!

It's either Poeltl or Brown with where our pick lands.
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As was stated before I will be shocked in DA drafts 3 players in the first.


With that said I really like the way Ford has this draft playing out.

At #4 I would take Poeltl and Brown ahead of Murray. I think Murray will prove to be a decent bench spark scorer in the league but Poeltl can be a future double double defensive anchor and Brown has a much higher ceiling due to his physical profile.

At #16 I would be thrilled if the Cs landed Scal this late. He is likely a bust but the high ceiling potential is way to intriguing to pass up. I think the Cs give him the best chance out of any team to reach him immense potential and at 16 the risk is limited.

At #24 I really like the pick of Zizic. I admittedly know very little about him but looking at his stats in the adriatic league 13pt 8rb 1.4blk 70%FT in only 24min and his stats in the FIBA U19 and U18 I am really intrigued. In his U19 game vs the USA he put up 16pts and 9rb in 22min.

I would like to add if the draft does play out this way the Cs could then grab a steal in the 2nd by drafting Nigel Hayes.   

Another positive to this draft is that the Cs could move #4 and #16 in a trade for a young vet/star and still come away with Zizic and Hayes
funny, with so many people criticizing Danny for taking Young over Hood because of his upside, I can only imagine the heat he'd take for picking Skal at 16 based solely on upside. 

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As was stated before I will be shocked in DA drafts 3 players in the first.


With that said I really like the way Ford has this draft playing out.

At #4 I would take Poeltl and Brown ahead of Murray. I think Murray will prove to be a decent bench spark scorer in the league but Poeltl can be a future double double defensive anchor and Brown has a much higher ceiling due to his physical profile.

At #16 I would be thrilled if the Cs landed Scal this late. He is likely a bust but the high ceiling potential is way to intriguing to pass up. I think the Cs give him the best chance out of any team to reach him immense potential and at 16 the risk is limited.

At #24 I really like the pick of Zizic. I admittedly know very little about him but looking at his stats in the adriatic league 13pt 8rb 1.4blk 70%FT in only 24min and his stats in the FIBA U19 and U18 I am really intrigued. In his U19 game vs the USA he put up 16pts and 9rb in 22min.

I would like to add if the draft does play out this way the Cs could then grab a steal in the 2nd by drafting Nigel Hayes.   

Another positive to this draft is that the Cs could move #4 and #16 in a trade for a young vet/star and still come away with Zizic and Hayes
funny, with so many people criticizing Danny for taking Young over Hood because of his upside, I can only imagine the heat he'd take for picking Skal at 16 based solely on upside.

As a GM I think thats a risk you have to run. At almost every pick even when you strictly follow a BPA plan teams are left weighing the upside of a player. I think a great example of this was the 2004 Draft. The magic had to decide between college stud Emeke Okafor and high school phenom Dwight Howard. At the time this was a really tight debate as highlighted by this article.
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1821692
 Howard as you know went #1 and as a rookie end up averaged 12pt 10rb 1.7blks Okafor went #2 and averaged 15pts 11rb 1.7blks in his rookie season. From that point Howards higher ceiling allowed him to become a super star while Okafor basically peaked as a rookie. Its easy to look back at this draft and say the choice was obvious but what if Howard went the way of former #1 Kwame Brown?
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kwame-brown/   
Magic fans would have been up in arms over wasting the pick on potential with a sure thing like Okafor available.

These are examples involving the #1 pick which is supposed to be a franchise changing pick. Later in the first round I personally think it is easier. When in doubt just go with upside. This is what DA did when he drafted AB at #19, Young at #17 and even Rozier at #16 in this past draft. One glaring example of DA not doing this was drafting KO and not Giannis but I think this really came down to KO being a very unique player and DA not wanting a long term project at that very transitional faze the Cs where in. I think the Late 1st and second round is where teams need to focus on players who may not have much potential past their given skill set but have a skill that can keep them in the NBA. This is what I expect DA saw in Hunter, BBD, JJJ, Tony Allen, Leon Powe and others.   
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As was stated before I will be shocked in DA drafts 3 players in the first.


With that said I really like the way Ford has this draft playing out.

At #4 I would take Poeltl and Brown ahead of Murray. I think Murray will prove to be a decent bench spark scorer in the league but Poeltl can be a future double double defensive anchor and Brown has a much higher ceiling due to his physical profile.

At #16 I would be thrilled if the Cs landed Scal this late. He is likely a bust but the high ceiling potential is way to intriguing to pass up. I think the Cs give him the best chance out of any team to reach him immense potential and at 16 the risk is limited.

At #24 I really like the pick of Zizic. I admittedly know very little about him but looking at his stats in the adriatic league 13pt 8rb 1.4blk 70%FT in only 24min and his stats in the FIBA U19 and U18 I am really intrigued. In his U19 game vs the USA he put up 16pts and 9rb in 22min.

I would like to add if the draft does play out this way the Cs could then grab a steal in the 2nd by drafting Nigel Hayes.   

Another positive to this draft is that the Cs could move #4 and #16 in a trade for a young vet/star and still come away with Zizic and Hayes
funny, with so many people criticizing Danny for taking Young over Hood because of his upside, I can only imagine the heat he'd take for picking Skal at 16 based solely on upside.

As a GM I think thats a risk you have to run. At almost every pick even when you strictly follow a BPA plan teams are left weighing the upside of a player. I think a great example of this was the 2004 Draft. The magic had to decide between college stud Emeke Okafor and high school phenom Dwight Howard. At the time this was a really tight debate as highlighted by this article.
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2004/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=1821692
 Howard as you know went #1 and as a rookie end up averaged 12pt 10rb 1.7blks Okafor went #2 and averaged 15pts 11rb 1.7blks in his rookie season. From that point Howards higher ceiling allowed him to become a super star while Okafor basically peaked as a rookie. Its easy to look back at this draft and say the choice was obvious but what if Howard went the way of former #1 Kwame Brown?
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/kwame-brown/   
Magic fans would have been up in arms over wasting the pick on potential with a sure thing like Okafor available.

These are examples involving the #1 pick which is supposed to be a franchise changing pick. Later in the first round I personally think it is easier. When in doubt just go with upside. This is what DA did when he drafted AB at #19, Young at #17 and even Rozier at #16 in this past draft. One glaring example of DA not doing this was drafting KO and not Giannis but I think this really came down to KO being a very unique player and DA not wanting a long term project at that very transitional faze the Cs where in. I think the Late 1st and second round is where teams need to focus on players who may not have much potential past their given skill set but have a skill that can keep them in the NBA. This is what I expect DA saw in Hunter, BBD, JJJ, Tony Allen, Leon Powe and others.   
I'm fine with taking a chance later in a draft when the team has multiple picks.  it's when the team has a very high pick that I want them to lean towards the player that has the highest floor --> the "surer" thing.  Those are the picks that don't come along very often (unless you're Philly or Cleveland) and the team needs to make the most of those picks.

I had no issue with Young when taken though I was leaning towards Hood.  Getting Skal at 16 considering where he was projected would be worth a shot (probably).  If C's can't consolidate some picks, that Zizic selection makes sense as well.  the 5 second rounders gets real interesting then. 

figure they take someone likely to make the roster with the Philly pick and possibly draft and stash the rest.

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4. I think I'd prefer Brown but I'm not sure. Brown might be the better athlete than Murray, but Murray is already a great shooter and is already a crafty scorer at 19. I think there is a stronger chance that Murray will be a go to scorer than that Brown will be one. This pick would be fine, I think they could let Evan Turner walk and have Murray take his minutes. To be clear my view is that if we pick outside of the top 2 we should try to trade the pick for an established player

16. I'm all for the high upside picks since our team is so deep. If he fails, that is fine we won't need him, but if he succeeds he could be a starter in the league maybe more. His combination of shot blocking and shooting makes him a perfect fit for the C's. I would have also liked Luwawu, especially if he isn't coming over this year.

24. The more foreign players we draft the better. I don't want more than 2 or 3 rookies on the roster next year. The more picks we can make that don't actually take up roster space, the better.
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Well, this one threw me a bit.

Jamal Murray at 4 and Skal at 16? I'd jump on Skal if he were still around at 16, but I'm not so sure about that first one...

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This is an interesting ranking, TP for sharing. I don't agree with most of it.
-Murray at #4 seems like a reach with Brown still on the board. Leaving aside the fact that I really like Brown, though, there is a case to be made that Murray should go ahead of Dunn, Ellenson, Poeltl, and even Bender. He's putting up extremely good stats, and while I don't like the fact that his skillset compares with Nik Stauskas, he's clearly better than Stauskas was as a freshman, putting up much higher volume on only slightly worse efficiency. Another comp for him is Rodney Hood, whose junior-year offensive stats are very similar to Murray's. Hood has basically turned out as well as he possibly could have, but still it's an encouraging comp. Murray should also be less bad defensively than Hood, who is a sieve.
-I liked Ellenson preseason, but he's a poor defender and he's struggled to score efficiently from anywhere. He still has potential, but it's tough to justify picking him #5, and "Kevin Love lite" seems like a classic white-guy comp: Ellenson is making just one 3 pointer per 36 on <.300 shooting, while collecting a middling 10.5 rebounds.
-The most egregious mis-ranking imo is Hield at 7 over Dunn; I can't think of any possible justification for this, unless Curry has you convinced that shooting is the only thing that ever matters. In general I think that this ranking overrates shooters, as evidenced by Bender+Murray>Brown, Hield>Dunn, Ellenson>Dunn and Poeltl, and Korkmaz #10.
-I actually like Korkmaz #10 over, say, Diamond Stone. He's a phenomenal shooter with a solid all-around offensive game.
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« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2016, 10:48:00 AM »

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I'd take this.  Murray can play but we got tons of guards.  Hard not to take jaylen. If we could get both that'd be great.

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2016, 11:36:08 AM »

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The revised rankings by Ford is called the Steph Curry effect.  He is now suddenly putting a higher premium on guys who are good shooters. Makes some sense, I suppose.

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« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2016, 11:53:55 AM »

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I have liked Murray for the last 2 1/2 years. He will be a good player in this league. Can shoot from deep, can shoot off the bounce and I think that alone will make him a solid scoring option.

With that said, I wouldnt take him over Brown. I think Brown has a much higher upside and lower downside. People talk about his shot but never talk about how his shot has gotten better. While shooting is important its not the only thing. Based on the skills that I have seen I wouldnt pick Murray over Brown.




4. I think I'd prefer Brown but I'm not sure. Brown might be the better athlete than Murray, but Murray is already a great shooter and is already a crafty scorer at 19. I think there is a stronger chance that Murray will be a go to scorer than that Brown will be one. This pick would be fine, I think they could let Evan Turner walk and have Murray take his minutes. To be clear my view is that if we pick outside of the top 2 we should try to trade the pick for an established player

16. I'm all for the high upside picks since our team is so deep. If he fails, that is fine we won't need him, but if he succeeds he could be a starter in the league maybe more. His combination of shot blocking and shooting makes him a perfect fit for the C's. I would have also liked Luwawu, especially if he isn't coming over this year.

24. The more foreign players we draft the better. I don't want more than 2 or 3 rookies on the roster next year. The more picks we can make that don't actually take up roster space, the better.

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« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2016, 12:00:52 PM »

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I like the idea of Brown and Skal. I think they both have upside plus I think Skal fits a long term problem if he can get a little stronger. But in all honesty thats going to be a judgment call to figure out what has happened at UK that has caused such a downturn in his play.