Barnes in the offseason?

[wdleehi]

Barnes makes a ton of sense for us if your looking at a Crowder + Brooklyn pick type deal. Crowder + Barnes probably still makes sense with Smart's defensive versatility covering up for the lack of size.

I'd definitely still want to get an athletic 5 that could play with IT/Smart/Crowder/Barnes along the lines of a Horford or a Draymond Green type but given how deadly Warriors small ball lineup has been ours could be the type that can blow teams off the court on any given night.

Don't want to downplay the risk factor given that if Barnes doesn't up his production he could turn into one of the worst contracts in the league, but IMO the Warriors seasoning has helped fix whatever confidence he lost under performing in college. Caught him play a few times this year and he looked assertive and was confidently knocking down contested shots.

The problem with following the Warriors setup is the Celtics do not have the type of talent to make it work better then the Warriors.  They have no one who can play the Green role.  Most teams do not.   


Warriors are a unique team that can play that style and be a true title contender. 

[Dino Pitino]

Barnes is not the next Harden. Harden was performing like a star as a reserve for the Thunder. Barnes has only performed like an average player as a starter.

[KeepRondo]

Barnes is not the next Harden. Harden was performing like a star as a reserve for the Thunder. Barnes has only performed like an average player as a starter.

Until he got completely shut down by Lebron in the finals.

Gotta wonder if that caused OKC to make that huge mistake of choosing Ibaka over Harden.

[CFAN38]

My biggest question heading into FA this off-season is how DA ultimately views the Cs 1-3. We all know that 4 and 5 need to be upgraded. I personally think the Cs are strong enough at PG,SG and SF to compete for a ring if a front court star is added. If this team cant add a star then the questions begin.

Here is how this relates to Barnes. Lets say the Cs miss out in the lottery and land a pick 3-6. Then move that pick plus AB for Okafor and maybe an additional player (Covington?) or a pick. Now going into FA the Cs have $$ (as will many teams) and a need for a starting SG. Now Smart could be the answer here but my question is could Barnes play this role? Or Batum for that matter.

That would leave the Cs with the following two potential lineups

Starting

PG IT
SG Barnes/Batum
SF Crowder
PF KO
C  Okafor

Finishing Games/Small ball

PG IT
SG Smart
SF Barnes/Batum
PF Crowder
C  Okafor

These two lineups would have alot of potential on both sides of the ball. Switch out IT for Hunter and put Jerebko or Mickey at center and the Cs would have a nice switch everything defensive lineup.

[CFAN38]

Barnes is not the next Harden. Harden was performing like a star as a reserve for the Thunder. Barnes has only performed like an average player as a starter.

Until he got completely shut down by Lebron in the finals.

Gotta wonder if that caused OKC to make that huge mistake of choosing Ibaka over Harden.

Im not so sure picking Ibaka over Harden was really a mistake. Harden is a better offensive player but he shoots the balls 20 times per game compared to Ibakas 12. Ibaka seems like the better fit with Westbrook and Durant.

[max215]

I like Barnes, but why pay three to four times as much for a slightly younger Jae Crowder?

[Donoghus]

I like Barnes, but why pay three to four times as much for a slightly younger Jae Crowder?

Because of that intoxicating "allure of potential".

[Big_Dave31]

To be honest - Barnes reminds me of Jeff Green.  Has all the tools, has a good skillset, but he cannot really create his own shot / create for others and he just doesn't seem to have that fire.  I would pass because we have Crowder who is a much better fit for our team from an emotional standpoint. 

Not to mention the fact that we would have to pay him over $20m per season which in my mind is crazy money for him.

[PhoSita]

To be honest - Barnes reminds me of Jeff Green.  Has all the tools, has a good skillset, but he cannot really create his own shot / create for others and he just doesn't seem to have that fire.  I would pass because we have Crowder who is a much better fit for our team from an emotional standpoint. 

Not to mention the fact that we would have to pay him over $20m per season which in my mind is crazy money for him.

Marvin Williams is who comes to mind for me.

[Big_Dave31]

To be honest - Barnes reminds me of Jeff Green.  Has all the tools, has a good skillset, but he cannot really create his own shot / create for others and he just doesn't seem to have that fire.  I would pass because we have Crowder who is a much better fit for our team from an emotional standpoint. 

Not to mention the fact that we would have to pay him over $20m per season which in my mind is crazy money for him.

Marvin Williams is who comes to mind for me.

That's a good one too - either way - not worth it, not with Crowder on the team already.

[PhoSita]

To be honest - Barnes reminds me of Jeff Green.  Has all the tools, has a good skillset, but he cannot really create his own shot / create for others and he just doesn't seem to have that fire.  I would pass because we have Crowder who is a much better fit for our team from an emotional standpoint. 

Not to mention the fact that we would have to pay him over $20m per season which in my mind is crazy money for him.

Marvin Williams is who comes to mind for me.

That's a good one too - either way - not worth it, not with Crowder on the team already.

Agreed.  I think the Celts would be greatly improved if they upgraded the center position and then swapped out Sullinger for Barnes, but you're right that it's not a big enough upgrade to make it worth giving him a humongous offer sheet.

[Surferdad]

Hate to say this, but Jae Crowder is going to have tremendous trade value this offseason. His numbers have taken a nice jump, he is a great defender, and he has a bargain contract. I am convinced his name came up before the deadline (by other GMs) so good for Ainge to stand firm.

I only want to keep Jae, IT and Smart, but we have to recognize that those are the guys other teams want too.

[Denis998]

The warriors basically extended everyone for a max contract, so why not Barnes. They essentially got a dynasty brewing over there the way their contracts are set up. 

[Surferdad]

The warriors basically extended everyone for a max contract, so why not Barnes. They essentially got a dynasty brewing over there the way their contracts are set up.

Because they might want to sign Kevin Durant so that makes Barnes expendable and clears some salary space for that purpose.

[Denis998]

The warriors basically extended everyone for a max contract, so why not Barnes. They essentially got a dynasty brewing over there the way their contracts are set up.

Because they might want to sign Kevin Durant so that makes Barnes expendable and clears some salary space for that purpose.

Tbh, I'm on the same boat as Bill Simmons, as they are constructed now, why do they even need KD? Why break the chemistry of the team up for a chance to be as good as they are now. Currently they are on pace to be the best team in NBA history, why mess with that now?