Would you be happy with this draft Haul

[Tr1boy]

Brown is a high risk and high reward type

Mediocre IQ is a concern imo

Could take as long as Gerald green to "get it"

Worse case a shabazz muhammad
Best case derozan

[celticmania]

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/11/jaylen-brown-scouting-report-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram/

Reading this excellent scouting report, updated in January, makes me cautious about Jaylen Brown.

It really sounds to me like he could be a 6'7'' Marcus Smart without the defensive instincts or the streaky but occasionally hot outside shooting.

Thats a bad comparison.  Marcus Smart is a defensive guy so how would you compare someone who is not the same size and position to someone else that doesn't share their maim strength as a player.  Jaylen is far more athletic and quick than Marcus.  Both are inconsistent shooter.  I think Jaylen has substantially more potential

[PhoSita]

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/11/jaylen-brown-scouting-report-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram/

Reading this excellent scouting report, updated in January, makes me cautious about Jaylen Brown.

It really sounds to me like he could be a 6'7'' Marcus Smart without the defensive instincts or the streaky but occasionally hot outside shooting.

Thats a bad comparison.  Marcus Smart is a defensive guy so how would you compare someone who is not the same size and position to someone else that doesn't share their maim strength as a player.  Jaylen is far more athletic and quick than Marcus.  Both are inconsistent shooter.  I think Jaylen has substantially more potential

You look at two players and see that they appear to a have similar skillset on one side of the floor. 

Both lack an explosive first step or elite ball-handling ability.  Both have good size and strength for their position, especially at the NCAA level.

Smart has struggled to translate his rim-attacking ability to the next level.  Brown seems like he could have a similar difficulty, and he doesn't have the elite defensive instincts or the streaky outside shot to fall back on.

[celticmania]

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/11/jaylen-brown-scouting-report-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram/

Reading this excellent scouting report, updated in January, makes me cautious about Jaylen Brown.

It really sounds to me like he could be a 6'7'' Marcus Smart without the defensive instincts or the streaky but occasionally hot outside shooting.

Thats a bad comparison.  Marcus Smart is a defensive guy so how would you compare someone who is not the same size and position to someone else that doesn't share their maim strength as a player.  Jaylen is far more athletic and quick than Marcus.  Both are inconsistent shooter.  I think Jaylen has substantially more potential

You look at two players and see that they appear to a have similar skillset on one side of the floor. 

Both lack an explosive first step or elite ball-handling ability.  Both have good size and strength for their position, especially at the NCAA level.

Smart has struggled to translate his rim-attacking ability to the next level.  Brown seems like he could have a similar difficulty, and he doesn't have the elite defensive instincts or the streaky outside shot to fall back on.

Jaylen Brown doesn't have an explosive first step? Was Marcus Smart any better at shooting threes than Jaylen Brown?

[Ilikesports17]

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/11/jaylen-brown-scouting-report-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram/

Reading this excellent scouting report, updated in January, makes me cautious about Jaylen Brown.

It really sounds to me like he could be a 6'7'' Marcus Smart without the defensive instincts or the streaky but occasionally hot outside shooting.

Thats a bad comparison.  Marcus Smart is a defensive guy so how would you compare someone who is not the same size and position to someone else that doesn't share their maim strength as a player.  Jaylen is far more athletic and quick than Marcus.  Both are inconsistent shooter.  I think Jaylen has substantially more potential

You look at two players and see that they appear to a have similar skillset on one side of the floor. 

Both lack an explosive first step or elite ball-handling ability.  Both have good size and strength for their position, especially at the NCAA level.

Smart has struggled to translate his rim-attacking ability to the next level.  Brown seems like he could have a similar difficulty, and he doesn't have the elite defensive instincts or the streaky outside shot to fall back on.

Jaylen Brown doesn't have an explosive first step? Was Marcus Smart any better at shooting threes than Jaylen Brown?

Jaylen Brown is far more explosive than Smart.

[max215]

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/11/jaylen-brown-scouting-report-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram/

Reading this excellent scouting report, updated in January, makes me cautious about Jaylen Brown.

It really sounds to me like he could be a 6'7'' Marcus Smart without the defensive instincts or the streaky but occasionally hot outside shooting.

Thats a bad comparison.  Marcus Smart is a defensive guy so how would you compare someone who is not the same size and position to someone else that doesn't share their maim strength as a player.  Jaylen is far more athletic and quick than Marcus.  Both are inconsistent shooter.  I think Jaylen has substantially more potential

You look at two players and see that they appear to a have similar skillset on one side of the floor. 

Both lack an explosive first step or elite ball-handling ability.  Both have good size and strength for their position, especially at the NCAA level.

Smart has struggled to translate his rim-attacking ability to the next level.  Brown seems like he could have a similar difficulty, and he doesn't have the elite defensive instincts or the streaky outside shot to fall back on.

Brown is probably the best athlete in the Draft, and while he's extremely cut, he's not bulky like Marcus.

[86MaxwellSmart]

I think Danny is chomping at the bit to trade any and all of our Picks for a Superstar player...
I would be happy with Ingram or Simmons---but even those guys might be trade bait for Ainge.

[slamtheking]

Yes, but not super excited

this,

[PhoSita]

http://upsidemotor.com/2016/01/11/jaylen-brown-scouting-report-2016-nba-draft-ben-simmons-brandon-ingram/

Reading this excellent scouting report, updated in January, makes me cautious about Jaylen Brown.

It really sounds to me like he could be a 6'7'' Marcus Smart without the defensive instincts or the streaky but occasionally hot outside shooting.

Thats a bad comparison.  Marcus Smart is a defensive guy so how would you compare someone who is not the same size and position to someone else that doesn't share their maim strength as a player.  Jaylen is far more athletic and quick than Marcus.  Both are inconsistent shooter.  I think Jaylen has substantially more potential

You look at two players and see that they appear to a have similar skillset on one side of the floor. 

Both lack an explosive first step or elite ball-handling ability.  Both have good size and strength for their position, especially at the NCAA level.

Smart has struggled to translate his rim-attacking ability to the next level.  Brown seems like he could have a similar difficulty, and he doesn't have the elite defensive instincts or the streaky outside shot to fall back on.

Jaylen Brown doesn't have an explosive first step? Was Marcus Smart any better at shooting threes than Jaylen Brown?

Jaylen Brown is far more explosive than Smart.

He's definitely got superior athleticism (i.e. dunking / finishing), but what I'm talking about is his first step.

Watching tape of Brown bullying his way to the rim reminds me of Smart. 

He can slice through open lanes and dunk in ways Smart can't, but when there isn't room in front of him, he doesn't seem to create openings so much as he barrels his way through defenders and muscles the ball into the hoop, something that's a lot harder to do consistently at the next level.

[KG Living Legend]

I keep going back and forth on Brown.

Physically, and the way he drives, reminds me of guys like Harden and Wade.

On the other hand, he looks like a single-minded and relatively predictable driver who rarely makes plays for others and has little evidence of a reliable jumpshot.  I'm honestly not sure what his resume is defensively, as highlights never show work on defense, especially team defense, which is what matters most.

Typically, guys like that have to be phenomenally talented to turn out better than, say, Dion Waiters.

 Dion Waiters probably not the best example, I hear what your saying, but Brown is a total super freak athletically.

 If he doesn't improve on defense its because he's not coachable. On offense he has good footwork firm the triple threat position, I like his potential as an ISO scorer and currently we don't need him to be anything else.

 If he can score when we need a bucket, be lightning in transition and his man he could be an excellent fit here IMO.

[PhoSita]

I keep going back and forth on Brown.

Physically, and the way he drives, reminds me of guys like Harden and Wade.

On the other hand, he looks like a single-minded and relatively predictable driver who rarely makes plays for others and has little evidence of a reliable jumpshot.  I'm honestly not sure what his resume is defensively, as highlights never show work on defense, especially team defense, which is what matters most.

Typically, guys like that have to be phenomenally talented to turn out better than, say, Dion Waiters.

 Dion Waiters probably not the best example, I hear what your saying, but Brown is a total super freak athletically.

 If he doesn't improve on defense its because he's not coachable. On offense he has good footwork firm the triple threat position, I like his potential as an ISO scorer and currently we don't need him to be anything else.

 If he can score when we need a bucket, be lightning in transition and his man he could be an excellent fit here IMO.

I'm not convinced.  If he can't shoot a three and he needs to be coached up to play adequate defense, he's just Evan Turner without the playmaking ability or the experience.

The vicious dunks are great, it's just hard for me to see a ball-dominant guy like that being worth a pick so high unless he's got some excellent intangibles I'm not aware of. 

Do we have any recent examples of these high-usage ball dominant guys who don't have demonstrated defensive, playmaking, or floor spacing abilities doing well at the NBA level? 

The first guy who comes to mind, unfortunately, is Shabazz Muhammad, though obviously he was older and less athletic.

[KG Living Legend]

 Again it's an upside pick. He's 19 right now, I think he will be better than MKG overall who was the #2 pick.

 Who would you rather have if Simmons, Ingram, Bender are gone.

[Denis998]

Content is a word that comes to mind.

[PhoSita]

 Again it's an upside pick. He's 19 right now, I think he will be better than MKG overall who was the #2 pick.

 Who would you rather have if Simmons, Ingram, Bender are gone.

It's really tough to say.  Once Simmons and Ingram are off the board, it becomes really hard to choose who to pick.

I think I'd put Brown in my back pocket as a fall back option and then take a good hard look at bigs like Poeltl, Ellenson, Rabb, Skal, and Davis.  Is there reason to think they might have higher upside than currently thought?  Could they thrive in the Celts' system?

I'd have to also think really hard about Kris Dunn.  Drafting yet another guard would be hard to stomach, but he seems like he might be the clear cut Best Player Available after the first two, at least if you want to avoid taking somebody with an extremely low floor like Brown or Bender.  Maybe you draft Dunn and then you can entertain trading one of Dunn, Smart, or Isaiah in the following months.

If after considering all those options I decided the best choice was still between Brown and Bender, I guess I'd try get them both to work out for me and then go on gut instinct.  I wouldn't feel too good either way, but it certainly seems like he's got good upside if he can harness his physical ability.

[Denis998]

I wouldnt pass on Ivan Rabb or Skal before Valentine