Larry Sanders: I may come back

[Who]

If you make that argument, just about every OR EVERY player getting a buy out should have to do that, right?

And how is it fair to penalize a player for mental health issues?  Is that NOT the FAULT of the team for not doing proper research on THEIR player BEFORE signing him to a 4 year $44 million extension???

Smitty77

(1) Sanders had more than enough money made already to look after his health condition and his future.

(2) If he had to retire from the NBA permanently, I'd have some sympathy towards him on collecting the money from that buyout. Like I would with a player whose career ended with an injury and is unable to ever play again (eg Jay Williams, Brandon Roy).

(3) That Sanders is contemplating a return to the NBA so soon after saying he is not capable of playing in the NBA is making a mockery of the situation.

[Smitty77]

If you make that argument, just about every OR EVERY player getting a buy out should have to do that, right?

And how is it fair to penalize a player for mental health issues?  Is that NOT the FAULT of the team for not doing proper research on THEIR player BEFORE signing him to a 4 year $44 million extension???

Smitty77

(1) Sanders had more than enough money made already to look after his health condition and his future.

(2) If he had to retire from the NBA permanently, I'd have some sympathy towards him on collecting the money from that buyout. Like I would with a player whose career ended with an injury and is unable to ever play again (eg Jay Williams, Brandon Roy).

(3) That Sanders is contemplating a return to the NBA so soon after saying he is not capable of playing in the NBA is making a mockery of the situation.

Point #1.  Who, have you ever suffered with depression?  If not, you don't understand that you typically cannot and do NOT make rational decisions when in the midst of major depression.

Point #2.  You are going to have sympathy for Jay Williams who chose to violate his contract and drive a motorcycle, yet you have NO sympathy for a guy that suffered from a disorder that he did NOT ask for or have ANY control over.

Point #3.  He got treatment for his depression and other mental health conditions.  He is NOW ready to resume his career.

Smitty77

[CelticPride2016]

I have a Master's in Counseling and depression can be devastating and many, if not a majority, try to self-medicate themselves with illicit drugs as Sanders did with pot.

Illicit does not seem to be the right word to describe marijuana.

Perhaps you mean he should have had a therapist and maybe he could try weed legally as a treatment?

Are you saying it's your opinion pot should be illegal?

The times are a' changing. Many lives were ruined because pot had been immorally defined as illicit. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes outright legal sooner rather than later, similar to the lift on alcohol prohibition.

Some or many argue that alcohol is worse than pot. I am under the impression that one can smoke pot with a doctor's note. That makes it legal, not illicit.

I doubt marijuana had anything to do with Sanders' problems.

Celticpride,

I called it illicit because it was and is illegal in MOST states and he got into trouble for testing positive for that or some other drug(s) with the NBA.  I am in no way interested in getting into a debate with you about legalizing pot.  Have at it with others!!  Nothing is EVER accomplished by that debate and I have found it to be an utter waste of my time, as people typically have their minds made up on that issue.  I am over a Human Service Program at the college level and teach the courses for a Substance Abuse Certificate.  This is something I know quite a bit about, but I will stand down on your lovely offer to debate this issue:-).

Smitty77

I think you misunderstand the point. This isn't a debate. You shared an opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is an extremely dangerous one that has politically led to massive numbers of ruined lives.

Marijuana is now used as medicine. It has been proven as very healthy compared to alcohol which is somehow not 'illicit'. I am not telling anyone to ingest marijuana illegally. However, the old ways of looking at marijuana have been completely debunked.

You made a great point. I agreed with it. It was unfortunate that you injected the outdated political view. You make it sound like marijuana is cocaine or heroin or that it isn't legal with a doctor's note as I have suggested.

Okay, I found a link which disproves one of your claims.

I called it illicit because it was and is illegal in MOST states

23 Legal Medical Marijuana States and DC
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

[moiso]

If you make that argument, just about every OR EVERY player getting a buy out should have to do that, right?

And how is it fair to penalize a player for mental health issues?  Is that NOT the FAULT of the team for not doing proper research on THEIR player BEFORE signing him to a 4 year $44 million extension???

Smitty77

(1) Sanders had more than enough money made already to look after his health condition and his future.

(2) If he had to retire from the NBA permanently, I'd have some sympathy towards him on collecting the money from that buyout. Like I would with a player whose career ended with an injury and is unable to ever play again (eg Jay Williams, Brandon Roy).

(3) That Sanders is contemplating a return to the NBA so soon after saying he is not capable of playing in the NBA is making a mockery of the situation.

Point #1.  Who, have you ever suffered with depression?  If not, you don't understand that you typically cannot and do NOT make rational decisions when in the midst of major depression.

Point #2.  You are going to have sympathy for Jay Williams who chose to violate his contract and drive a motorcycle, yet you have NO sympathy for a guy that suffered from a disorder that he did NOT ask for or have ANY control over.

Point #3.  He got treatment for his depression and other mental health conditions.  He is NOW ready to resume his career.

Smitty77

Weird that you can say the he is NOW ready to resume his career.  Sanders has said that he isn't.

[hwangjini_1]

If you make that argument, just about every OR EVERY player getting a buy out should have to do that, right?

And how is it fair to penalize a player for mental health issues?  Is that NOT the FAULT of the team for not doing proper research on THEIR player BEFORE signing him to a 4 year $44 million extension???

Smitty77

(1) Sanders had more than enough money made already to look after his health condition and his future.

(2) If he had to retire from the NBA permanently, I'd have some sympathy towards him on collecting the money from that buyout. Like I would with a player whose career ended with an injury and is unable to ever play again (eg Jay Williams, Brandon Roy).

(3) That Sanders is contemplating a return to the NBA so soon after saying he is not capable of playing in the NBA is making a mockery of the situation.

Point #1.  Who, have you ever suffered with depression?  If not, you don't understand that you typically cannot and do NOT make rational decisions when in the midst of major depression.

Point #2.  You are going to have sympathy for Jay Williams who chose to violate his contract and drive a motorcycle, yet you have NO sympathy for a guy that suffered from a disorder that he did NOT ask for or have ANY control over.

Point #3.  He got treatment for his depression and other mental health conditions.  He is NOW ready to resume his career.

Smitty77

Weird that you can say the he is NOW ready to resume his career.  Sanders has said that he isn't.

just to clear the air, do either of you have statements saying whether or not sanders is ready to resume his career? thanks.

[Smitty77]

I have a Master's in Counseling and depression can be devastating and many, if not a majority, try to self-medicate themselves with illicit drugs as Sanders did with pot.

Illicit does not seem to be the right word to describe marijuana.

Perhaps you mean he should have had a therapist and maybe he could try weed legally as a treatment?

Are you saying it's your opinion pot should be illegal?

The times are a' changing. Many lives were ruined because pot had been immorally defined as illicit. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes outright legal sooner rather than later, similar to the lift on alcohol prohibition.

Some or many argue that alcohol is worse than pot. I am under the impression that one can smoke pot with a doctor's note. That makes it legal, not illicit.

I doubt marijuana had anything to do with Sanders' problems.

Celticpride,

I called it illicit because it was and is illegal in MOST states and he got into trouble for testing positive for that or some other drug(s) with the NBA.  I am in no way interested in getting into a debate with you about legalizing pot.  Have at it with others!!  Nothing is EVER accomplished by that debate and I have found it to be an utter waste of my time, as people typically have their minds made up on that issue.  I am over a Human Service Program at the college level and teach the courses for a Substance Abuse Certificate.  This is something I know quite a bit about, but I will stand down on your lovely offer to debate this issue:-).

Smitty77

I think you misunderstand the point. This isn't a debate. You shared an opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is an extremely dangerous one that has politically led to massive numbers of ruined lives.

Marijuana is now used as medicine. It has been proven as very healthy compared to alcohol which is somehow not 'illicit'. I am not telling anyone to ingest marijuana illegally. However, the old ways of looking at marijuana have been completely debunked.

You made a great point. I agreed with it. It was unfortunate that you injected the outdated political view. You make it sound like marijuana is cocaine or heroin or that it isn't legal with a doctor's note as I have suggested.

Okay, I found a link which disproves one of your claims.

I called it illicit because it was and is illegal in MOST states

23 Legal Medical Marijuana States and DC
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

Celticpride,

How many states are there?  Even if you count D.C. as a state, which it is not, 26 states make a MAJORITY.  I hope you didn't major in Math or Accounting:-))

Smitty77

[arctic 3.0]

I have a Master's in Counseling and depression can be devastating and many, if not a majority, try to self-medicate themselves with illicit drugs as Sanders did with pot.

Illicit does not seem to be the right word to describe marijuana.

Perhaps you mean he should have had a therapist and maybe he could try weed legally as a treatment?

Are you saying it's your opinion pot should be illegal?

The times are a' changing. Many lives were ruined because pot had been immorally defined as illicit. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes outright legal sooner rather than later, similar to the lift on alcohol prohibition.

Some or many argue that alcohol is worse than pot. I am under the impression that one can smoke pot with a doctor's note. That makes it legal, not illicit.

I doubt marijuana had anything to do with Sanders' problems.

Celticpride,

I called it illicit because it was and is illegal in MOST states and he got into trouble for testing positive for that or some other drug(s) with the NBA.  I am in no way interested in getting into a debate with you about legalizing pot.  Have at it with others!!  Nothing is EVER accomplished by that debate and I have found it to be an utter waste of my time, as people typically have their minds made up on that issue.  I am over a Human Service Program at the college level and teach the courses for a Substance Abuse Certificate.  This is something I know quite a bit about, but I will stand down on your lovely offer to debate this issue:-).

Smitty77

I think you misunderstand the point. This isn't a debate. You shared an opinion. My opinion is that your opinion is an extremely dangerous one that has politically led to massive numbers of ruined lives.

Marijuana is now used as medicine. It has been proven as very healthy compared to alcohol which is somehow not 'illicit'. I am not telling anyone to ingest marijuana illegally. However, the old ways of looking at marijuana have been completely debunked.

You made a great point. I agreed with it. It was unfortunate that you injected the outdated political view. You make it sound like marijuana is cocaine or heroin or that it isn't legal with a doctor's note as I have suggested.

Okay, I found a link which disproves one of your claims.

I called it illicit because it was and is illegal in MOST states

23 Legal Medical Marijuana States and DC
http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000881

Celticpride,

How many states are there?  Even if you count D.C. as a state, which it is not, 26 states make a MAJORITY.  I hope you didn't major in Math or Accounting:-))

Smitty77

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/real-reasons-marijuana-is-banned_b_9210248.html

[CelticPride2016]

Thanks arctic 3.0 for the link. It looks extremely interesting.

Smitty77, some claim Hillary won the most votes in Iowa. To me, it looked like a tie. I think you are using the word most in a cynical way. From my simpleton, moronic angle, you are ahead 27-23 in monolithic, outdated draconian legislation. The trajectory shows that sooner rather than later more states will allow for the miracle of medical marijuana. It might be time for you to re-evaluate your demonization of weed.

[mgent]

However, the old ways of looking at marijuana have been completely debunked.

Maybe from a doctor's perspective, but almost all of stigma associated with it is still observed most everywhere you go (stigma likely stemming from "Reefer Madness" which is being proven more and more by the new majority acceptance of the medicine that has come from the Reefer Madness era dying out.

So much so that "concentrates" are becoming more acceptable than traditional marijuana, even though they contain much higher percentages of THC and are more dangerous to make, simply because they're much more odorless to smoke and it's a completely different odor with none of the stigma (meaning it's more likely for a respectable businessman to try/use much like alcohol which is nearly odorless unless you're smelling their breath).

There's actually no reason at this point, why an NBA player can't use marijuana all day long (whether by concentrates, edibles, or tablets) without raising any suspicion, even during games/practices.

This is given the current NBA rules regarding marijuana testing, where players can know WELL ahead of time if they want.  The only problem appears to be, some players continue to partake even though they know they're getting tested (though, I assume this is a calculated risk, because they know they have more than enough money to make up for for the suspension, and know the stigma is very slowly decreasing, so it's not a huge blow to their NBA fanbase, which is largely supportive.).

[Smitty77]

Thanks arctic 3.0 for the link. It looks extremely interesting.

Smitty77, some claim Hillary won the most votes in Iowa. To me, it looked like a tie. I think you are using the word most in a cynical way. From my simpleton, moronic angle, you are ahead 27-23 in monolithic, outdated draconian legislation. The trajectory shows that sooner rather than later more states will allow for the miracle of medical marijuana. It might be time for you to re-evaluate your demonization of weed.

Hillary won 6 coin tosses to break 6 ties.  The odds AGAINST doing that is 1 in 64.  I am sure she is just LUCKY:-)))  What a joke in more ways than one!!  What is that in the mail honey, is that an indictment???

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

However, the old ways of looking at marijuana have been completely debunked.

Maybe from a doctor's perspective, but almost all of stigma associated with it is still observed most everywhere you go (stigma likely stemming from "Reefer Madness" which is being proven more and more by the new majority acceptance of the medicine that has come from the Reefer Madness era dying out.

So much so that "concentrates" are becoming more acceptable than traditional marijuana, even though they contain much higher percentages of THC and are more dangerous to make, simply because they're much more odorless to smoke and it's a completely different odor with none of the stigma (meaning it's more likely for a respectable businessman to try/use much like alcohol which is nearly odorless unless you're smelling their breath).

There's actually no reason at this point, why an NBA player can't use marijuana all day long (whether by concentrates, edibles, or tablets) without raising any suspicion, even during games/practices.

This is given the current NBA rules regarding marijuana testing, where players can know WELL ahead of time if they want.  The only problem appears to be, some players continue to partake even though they know they're getting tested (though, I assume this is a calculated risk, because they know they have more than enough money to make up for for the suspension, and know the stigma is very slowly decreasing, so it's not a huge blow to their NBA fanbase, which is largely supportive.).

Do you believe that marijuana is a gateway drug?

http://www.drugtext.org/The-Marijuana-Question/1-the-stepping-stone-theory.html

Have you noticed that many regular user of marijuana don't have as much drive as non-users?

Is marijuana addictive?  Yes.

http://www.leafscience.com/2015/11/11/marijuana-addictive/

But, it is less addictive than nicotine, cocaine, and alcohol.

Smitty77