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Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2016, 02:48:25 PM »

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And this is kind of why it's hard to get overly excited about Boston's assets.  Yeah, we have a lot of picks and some decent role players, but if a team prefers established talent, there's a lot of ways to outbid our best offer.


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I do think Gallo is a bit overrated around here.  His shooting percentages aren't great. He's super injury prone. How is he defensively ?

LB, this was your comment on Gallo. You can't suggest that they have "established talent" when they're 19-31, and then say we have "some decent role players" yet are 29-22.

Who cares? Please stop clogging up threads with your rather odd Internet beef with LB. If you don't like what he posts, just ignore him. Please, for all of us.

Why? If he's going to have an opinion that the Nuggets have better assets than us, then I will gladly share my opinion that he's incorrect. This wasn't even a topic about the C's until he turned it into one. So I would suggest if you don't like me offering my thoughts on it, then you should take your own advice and ignore both of us altogether.

You didn't suggest he's incorrect, you just delved into what he may or may not have thought about Gallo in the past. You made no attempt to explain what you think of Gallo, why LarBrd is contradicting himself or why he is wrong if he believe what you think he believed about Gallo in the past.

I usually do ignore the tantrums the two of you throw in response to each other, because they are making almost every thread that both of you contribute to unreadable, and thus, most of CBlog becomes unreadable.

Incorect, man. This was my initial response.

You said Danilo isn't that good. Faried is an overrated guy that can't defend. Why do you consider their assets better than Thomas, Crowder, Smart, Olynyk, etc? If I'm Doc, I think that Crowder (a SF that can defend the position) and Olynyk (a 4 that can create spacing for Jordan/Paul PNR's) is a better fit/package than Gallo and Faried. Then, you factor in our picks and we clearly have better assets. The question in fact isn't if we do or not, but rather if we are willing to deal them.

Ed, I think you have problem with subtlety to the point that I sometimes wonder if English is your first language and maybe stuff is just getting lost in translation between us.  Everything isn't black and white.   All of the following statements can be true at the same time:

#1 - I wouldn't move the Brooklyn 1st for Gallo.
#2 - A package built around Gallo might be more desirable than a package built around the Brooklyn 1st depending on the team offering up a star.
#3 - Gallo is quality player who would fit in very well with Brad's system and help us immediately.
#4 - Acquiring Gallo is unlikely to make this team a true title contender
#5 - Boston's ideal course of action probably doesn't involve trading for Gallo, because they want to maintain double max cap space
#6 - Gallo is overrated on this forum
#7 - Faried is overrated on this forum.
#8 - I would gladly bring on Gallo and Faried at the right price
#9 - I would rather have Middleton, Harris or Hayward than Gallo
#10 - Ainge loves Gallo
#11 - Ainge would rather have max cap space in a pipe dream attempt to go after Durant and Horford this summer... rather than lock up money for Gallo
#12 - Boston has better trade assets than Denver
#13 - Denver might outbid Boston's best offer
...

All of this stuff can be 100% true at the same time.  It isn't a contradiction.   If I say I love Rondo, but believe Chris Paul is better... you can't call that a contradiction.  If I say Paul Pierce is my favorite player, but I'm willing to move him for a top 3 pick and cap space, you can't call that a contradiction.  I know this is the age of hyperbole where everything either is amazing or sucks, but there's a grey area for most of this stuff.   

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2016, 02:50:35 PM »

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Gallinari and Faried for Griffin is a joke of a trade for the Clippers.  Griffin is an all NBA player.  The other two are average players.  Gallinari is ok, Farried is a very athletic garbage man.

They're both above-average (Gallo more than Faried), but definitely not in Griffin's league.  That's why I said as a starting point, plus Denver taking on Stephenson's bad contract.  There'd probably have to be more in it for the Clips than that, though.
Interesting. Does Denver have enough for the Clips to unload Griffin and Stephenson? Any expiring contracts? Maybe they are trying to clear up cap to make a play for Durant.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2016, 02:51:15 PM »

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I think both teams are open to moving Gallo and Blake but are looking for better offers.

If the Clippers do like Danillo maybe we can work out a 3 team deal where we get Blake.
I don't understand this logic. Why wouldn't Denver want Griffin? Why would they facilitate us getting a top player instead of taking him themselves? We would have to throw a lot of assets at Denver for them to pass on Griffin if they have the pieces to get him.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2016, 02:54:14 PM »

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It's worth pointing out, contrary to what is insinuated in the OP, it was Denver who called the Clippers with their interest on acquiring Griffin, not the other way around.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2016, 02:55:12 PM »

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Don Woike: Sources: Denver reached out and asked about Blake Griffin but Clippers weren't interested. Not much discussion

Writer who covers the Clippers reported this.

Personally, I think the most plausible scenario would be a Blake Griffin for Carmelo Anthony swap.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2016, 02:56:08 PM »

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It's worth pointing out, contrary to what is insinuated in the OP, it was Denver who called the Clippers with their interest on acquiring Griffin, not the other way around.

I have an interest in starting my own NBA team. And I would like to trade for Blake Griffin to be my cornerstone player. Does that mean that I have more desirable trade assets that Boston?

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2016, 02:56:44 PM »

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Celtics Receive: Griffin
Nuggets Receive: 18 Brooklyn pick, 16 Celtic pick, Lee, Crawford
Clippers Receive: Gallo, Bradley, Sully, Jerebko, 16 Dallas pick, 17 right to swap with Brooklyn

So, almost every single tradeable pick the next three years, combined...and Bradley...for Griffin. And you think Gallinari alone is worth a Brooklyn 1st plus another 1st. Thankfully you are not a GM, and thankfully your idea is impossible because it'd leave the C's without a 1st in consecutive years.
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Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2016, 02:59:01 PM »

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Gallinari and Faried for Griffin is a joke of a trade for the Clippers.  Griffin is an all NBA player.  The other two are average players.  Gallinari is ok, Farried is a very athletic garbage man.

They're both above-average (Gallo more than Faried), but definitely not in Griffin's league.  That's why I said as a starting point, plus Denver taking on Stephenson's bad contract.  There'd probably have to be more in it for the Clips than that, though.
Interesting. Does Denver have enough for the Clips to unload Griffin and Stephenson? Any expiring contracts? Maybe they are trying to clear up cap to make a play for Durant.

I don't know about options and the like, but I believe Hickson, Foye, and Miller are all expiring for Denver.  That's about $9.5 million, which isn't a ton in the new cap enviroment, but it could help.  Don't know who the Clips would want to salary dump outside of Stephenson, though.  Maybe Pierce so he can be bought out and come back home  ;D

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2016, 03:01:04 PM »

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Celtics Receive: Griffin
Nuggets Receive: 18 Brooklyn pick, 16 Celtic pick, Lee, Crawford
Clippers Receive: Gallo, Bradley, Sully, Jerebko, 16 Dallas pick, 17 right to swap with Brooklyn

So, almost every single tradeable pick the next three years, combined...and Bradley...for Griffin. And you think Gallinari alone is worth a Brooklyn 1st plus another 1st. Thankfully you are not a GM, and thankfully your idea is impossible because it'd leave the C's without a 1st in consecutive years.

No, it really doesn't. The Celtics still have their first round picks in the coming years. We also keep our Brooklyn pick this year.

No, I don't think Gallo is worth a Brooklyn pick plus another pick. Neither does Ainge. But I do think Griffin is. And that is the point. We don't get back Gallo. We get back Griffin.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2016, 03:01:51 PM »

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Gallinari and Faried for Griffin is a joke of a trade for the Clippers.
pretty much.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2016, 03:03:52 PM »

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Marcus Smart, by himself, would have a bigger impact on the Clip's playoff run than any package of players Denver can offer. 

I suspect this new rumor is Doc's camp trying to press Ainge into a better deal. 

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #56 on: February 05, 2016, 03:03:58 PM »

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And this is kind of why it's hard to get overly excited about Boston's assets.
Let's be honest, I'm not sure you've ever thought much of Boston's assets. I think you've written some version of "reason #254 why not to get too excited about the Celtics' collection " in more than one topic involving trades or Brooklyn.

Regardless, I think everything that's been needed to say about this report has been said. Denver reached out first. The Clippers are not interested.

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2016, 03:04:02 PM »

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Huh - didn't realize Stephenson's remaining year is a team option.  Yeah taking him off the Clips' hands seems less valuable. 

Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #58 on: February 05, 2016, 03:06:38 PM »

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No way this is happening .  Griffin is big TV man ...big market hero .....he goes to Lakers, Knicks where he can remain TV King.

Jordon only stayed , came back , cause he thought the core would be there.

If Griffin leaves ,  CP3 and Jordon are gonna want out after this year .   No way do,they think Gallo and Faried can replace a healthy a Blake Griffin.

If Doc does this .....he sinks the Clippers for the next 25 years .

Unless Blake is mad at the organization and wants out , but heck...he has all those Hollywood gigs making money as celebrity ,  man I'm not seeing Nuggets having enough assets to do this . Hard to see why Griffin would pick Nuggets over the Lakers IF he is the one wanting to,be traded.  Look at the pick Clips could get.

No way CP3 lets this happen ....the team will,be crushed.
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Re: Nuggets Pursuing Blake Griffin - Having Talks
« Reply #59 on: February 05, 2016, 03:10:18 PM »

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Celtics Receive: Griffin
Nuggets Receive: 18 Brooklyn pick, 16 Celtic pick, Lee, Crawford
Clippers Receive: Gallo, Bradley, Sully, Jerebko, 16 Dallas pick, 17 right to swap with Brooklyn

So, almost every single tradeable pick the next three years, combined...and Bradley...for Griffin. And you think Gallinari alone is worth a Brooklyn 1st plus another 1st. Thankfully you are not a GM, and thankfully your idea is impossible because it'd leave the C's without a 1st in consecutive years.

No, it really doesn't. The Celtics still have their first round picks in the coming years. We also keep our Brooklyn pick this year.

No, I don't think Gallo is worth a Brooklyn pick plus another pick. Neither does Ainge. But I do think Griffin is. And that is the point. We don't get back Gallo. We get back Griffin.

Yeah, my bad, I could've sworn you also included the Nets pick this year. If not, then not having a 2017 1st is kosher. Sorry. Anyway, it's still too much, two Nets picks and two more 1sts and Bradley. Just for Griffin. Way too much. And while that would be the equation for us, and whatever Denver sends and receives would be irrelevant for us, it's still grotesque that Denver is getting that for just Gallo.
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