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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #825 on: February 05, 2016, 11:17:47 PM »

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p---ed I missed this game!

Great win!

Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #826 on: February 05, 2016, 11:18:03 PM »

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Everyone should go read some of the comments at the Cavs blog. They're twice as bad as we are over here on losses, and I think this one especially stings for them!  ;D

http://www.fearthesword.com/2016/2/5/10925186/cleveland-cavaliers-vs-boston-celtics-gamethread
Love had another quiet game.  Limited to 22 minutes.  I still think there's a chance they trade him before the deadline.  It's a bad fit.

Speaking of rumours, do you think MIL might really let Monroe go? Now, this is a player I'd love to have.

I would love to have Monroe.

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Clearly, the pieces to the Bucks’ puzzle aren’t fitting. Several league officials said they would be surprised if the Bucks didn't make a major trade.

“From what I’m hearing is they (the Bucks) are willing to trade anybody not named Parker, Antetokounmpo or Middleton,’’ an NBA executive said. “I even heard they'd listen (to offers) for Parker and Middleton, but it would have to be some crazy offer.

"They want to do something; they know they have to do something. That group they have isn’t working.’’



http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-is-a-major-shakeup-coming/article_5c355e2d-58f8-554e-b6d6-1f5716f7fa3e.html

Monroe I see as that guy who the Celtics could get for their expendable parts. Danny has all the leverage because 1. There's no rush to acquire someone like Monroe and 2. Milwaukee wants to get rid of him because he doesn't fit. Him and Jabari together in the frontcourt? WHAT A JOKE!

If Danny does discuss a deal, Bucks will want a Nets pick, but they aren't getting that no sir. My best offer is Lee, Sullinger, Dallas 1st and Celtics 2018 1st. Not sure Milwaukee will get much better than that for Monroe.

To me, Monroe could be what I thought Lee was going to be this season.

Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #827 on: February 05, 2016, 11:18:14 PM »

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The way Kevin Love went down and stayed down--after he bumped into Marcus Smart---I swear to god, I thought he broke his leg...dude is made of glass.

Who wants to build a team around Derek Rose and Kevin Love!

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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #828 on: February 05, 2016, 11:23:50 PM »

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Everyone should go read some of the comments at the Cavs blog. They're twice as bad as we are over here on losses, and I think this one especially stings for them!  ;D

http://www.fearthesword.com/2016/2/5/10925186/cleveland-cavaliers-vs-boston-celtics-gamethread
boy, that really was depressing. here at least there are ups and downs by folks. there it was overwhelmingly angry, frustrated, irritated, negative, and depressing.

thank goodness for cb posters........in general.  ;D
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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #829 on: February 05, 2016, 11:26:13 PM »

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Is it just me, or is Lebron looking much more human these days?

I wonder if age and mileages are starting to catch up with him.  I mean sure he had 30 tonight, but he also shot 9-25 from the field and 0-5 from three with 6 turnovers.

Plus I dunno, watching him play he just doesn't seem to physically dominate the way he used to - doesn't seem as explosive, and often looks like he's trying to force bad plays and getting frustrated as a result.

I mean he still looks like a really, really good player...but he no longer looks like his 2 levels above everybody else. 

With this version of Lebron, these Cavs are very much beatable.  Toronto could give them a real scare in a 7 games series, and I think even Boston would make it tough.

It might not be a coincidence that this is the year they started really testing HGH, too. Hell, I was watching the movie Trainwreck the other night, and it was just amazing how big Lebron's head/brow have gotten, which is a side effect of HGH abuse.

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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #830 on: February 05, 2016, 11:26:32 PM »

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Everyone should go read some of the comments at the Cavs blog. They're twice as bad as we are over here on losses, and I think this one especially stings for them!  ;D

http://www.fearthesword.com/2016/2/5/10925186/cleveland-cavaliers-vs-boston-celtics-gamethread
boy, that really was depressing. here at least there are ups and downs by folks. there it was overwhelmingly angry, frustrated, irritated, negative, and depressing.

thank goodness for cb posters........in general.  ;D

It wasn't quite that bad but things were very negative here when we were contenders too.  Being good enough to get a ring makes for a lot of anxiety.  Cleveland does have that "no banners" problem to deal with though  8)

Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #831 on: February 05, 2016, 11:27:47 PM »

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Is it just me, or is Lebron looking much more human these days?

I wonder if age and mileages are starting to catch up with him.  I mean sure he had 30 tonight, but he also shot 9-25 from the field and 0-5 from three with 6 turnovers.

Plus I dunno, watching him play he just doesn't seem to physically dominate the way he used to - doesn't seem as explosive, and often looks like he's trying to force bad plays and getting frustrated as a result.

I've always felt that Lebron was a guy who was incredibly dependant on his physical dominance (athleticism, specifically) and that once it started to fade he wouldn't have the skills to continue to dominate the way guys like Kobe/MJ did late in their careers.  Starting to wonder if that's true because Lebron is only barely 30 and already looks a step behind where he once was.

I mean he still a great player, but he no longer looks like he is unstoppable, can dominate at will and is 2 levels above everybody else.  He looks defendable now. 

With this version of Lebron, these Cavs are very much beatable.  Irving and Love are both pretty one dimension (and overrated, IMO players, and the rest of the roster is really nothing special.

Toronto could give them a real scare in a 7 games series, and I think even Boston would make it
tough.

I think this Eastern conference is more wide open than people think.


He's not the same, but it may be that he's at the point where he's monitoring his effort. IOW, he cannot dominate the game all the time and still be the player he needs to be in the playoffs for the Cavs to have a chance to win. Last season, he seemed to to slow down, but I thought he was clearly the best player in the playoffs.

Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #832 on: February 05, 2016, 11:43:12 PM »

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lol, a lot of us eating crow. But that was wild. We are a flawed team, but they have fight in them, that shouldnt be doubted anymore

How true this statement is.  Just reading all the posts when clev was up 4 with less than :20 to play, there was such venom even though we had played the team with the best record in the East super close all game. Totally uncalled for that some here can't even appreciate overall team effort.  Everyone has bad games, it's almost impossible to be perfect 82 games a season.  Then the Bradley shot and all of a sudden they went from scrubs to heros...smh. 
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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #833 on: February 05, 2016, 11:44:27 PM »

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lol, a lot of us eating crow. But that was wild. We are a flawed team, but they have fight in them, that shouldnt be doubted anymore

How true this statement is.  Just reading all the posts when clev was up 4 with less than :20 to play, there was such venom even though we had played the team with the best record in the East super close all game. Totally uncalled for that some here can't even appreciate overall team effort.  Everyone has bad games, it's almost impossible to be perfect 82 games a season.  Then the Bradley shot and all of a sudden they went from scrubs to heros...smh.

well said.
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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #834 on: February 05, 2016, 11:45:15 PM »

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Is it just me, or is Lebron looking much more human these days?

I wonder if age and mileages are starting to catch up with him.  I mean sure he had 30 tonight, but he also shot 9-25 from the field and 0-5 from three with 6 turnovers.

Plus I dunno, watching him play he just doesn't seem to physically dominate the way he used to - doesn't seem as explosive, and often looks like he's trying to force bad plays and getting frustrated as a result.

I've always felt that Lebron was a guy who was incredibly dependant on his physical dominance (athleticism, specifically) and that once it started to fade he wouldn't have the skills to continue to dominate the way guys like Kobe/MJ did late in their careers.  Starting to wonder if that's true because Lebron is only barely 30 and already looks a step behind where he once was.

I mean he still a great player, but he no longer looks like he is unstoppable, can dominate at will and is 2 levels above everybody else.  He looks defendable now. 

With this version of Lebron, these Cavs are very much beatable.  Irving and Love are both pretty one dimension (and overrated, IMO players, and the rest of the roster is really nothing special.

Toronto could give them a real scare in a 7 games series, and I think even Boston would make it
tough.

I think this Eastern conference is more wide open than people think.


He's not the same, but it may be that he's at the point where he's monitoring his effort. IOW, he cannot dominate the game all the time and still be the player he needs to be in the playoffs for the Cavs to have a chance to win. Last season, he seemed to to slow down, but I thought he was clearly the best player in the playoffs.

I think he is getting older and more worn down, and he no longer has the physical ability to be that guy all the time. 

But I think the problem is that it looks like in his mind, he is still that guy, and I get the impression that he feels like he can still do the things that he can no longer still do.  If that makes sense.

It's like he'll still try to drive hard and force his way to the basket the way he would have two years ago, except he's not getting the same explosiveness and the defender is sticking with him.  Or he gets to the basket but can't go up as strong as he used to, and ends up missing the layup or getting blocked.

Wheras in the past, he would have blown straight by the defender with his explosiveness and/or made the shot despite contact.

To me it looks like he also lacks trust in his teammates - like he doesn't trust in there ability to make the right play, so he feels he has to keep forcing it all himself.

Kind reminds me of watching Kobe in those later (less impressive) Laker years, when he had no support around him and no trust in any teammates, so he was just constantly trying to force things that he just couldn't do anymore. 

If you look guys who continue to excel as they get older, they tend to adjust their game to make up for the things they can no longer do.  Karl Malone for example became a really good jump shooter - ditto KG - when they realised they couldn't overpower people with physicality anymore.

I feel like it's reaching that point where if Lebron wants to give himself a serious shot at another title, he's going to have to change the way he plays the game.  Give up some of the responsibility, try to get other guys involved more - allow your to beat the opponent as a team, rather than individually.

I think a lot of people take for granted how much Dwyane Wade helped Lebron's career in Miami.  Having a physically dominant, high energy guy like Wade always in attack mode drew a LOT of attention, and would have given Lebron a hell of a lot more space to operate.  Kyrie and Love are both more finesse players who don't play with that type of wreckless aggression, and I think because of that it's forcing Lebron to ALWAYS be the aggressor...which I think will wear him down in time.

I kinda agree with a lot of people that Love doesn't fit with Irving and Lebron.  They need an aggressive, physically dominant guy there to take attention off Lebron. 

Kyle Lowry would be a fantastic fit in Cleveland I think, or Jimmy Butler.  Maybe even take a gamble on Joakhim Noah or Derek Rose - much as I dislike both players, they definitely have no shortage aggression.  Maybe try to swing a Love-for-Cousins deal with Sacramento.  A big, strong, physical, angry guy like Cousins would be just what that team needs.


That roster right now just screams soft - when Lebron is the toughest guy on your team, it's not a good sign. 

Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #835 on: February 05, 2016, 11:58:39 PM »

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lol, a lot of us eating crow. But that was wild. We are a flawed team, but they have fight in them, that shouldnt be doubted anymore

How true this statement is.  Just reading all the posts when clev was up 4 with less than :20 to play, there was such venom even though we had played the team with the best record in the East super close all game. Totally uncalled for that some here can't even appreciate overall team effort.  Everyone has bad games, it's almost impossible to be perfect 82 games a season.  Then the Bradley shot and all of a sudden they went from scrubs to heros...smh.

No, it's still frustrating.  Frustrating that we needed Avery to hit a huge (and unlikely) shot to save us from a deficit that we really shouldn't have been in.

I don't care that Cleveland are the best team in the east - that's irrelevant to me.  Fact is that we were down because of stupid plays that could have been avoided.

Turner taking a three in the clutch, when the game is on the line, should not happen.

Jared Sullinger (at career 74% free throw shooter) bricking two free throws with the game on the line should not happen.  It shows his head wasn't in it and he wasn't focussed, and I'd forgive it as a fluke if not for the fact that he constantly does bonehead stuff at the end of close games.

Tyler Zeller making a softie foul against Lebron (a guy famous for his ability to finish with contact) when the game is on the line should not happen. Either foul properly or don't foul at all.

This is all a case of poor late game execution, something which has plagued us so much this season.  That's why we have the 6th best point differential in the NBA, but only the equal 8th best record.  Because our guys fight hard (no complaint there) but have a tendency to lose their mind and make avoidable stupid plays at the end of games.   

Today the stars aligned and we got lucky.  Smart got the huge rebound without getting a foul, Thomas made the pass in traffic without getting it stolen, and Bradley made a huge, huge shot.  All of that was 50% effort and 50% luck.

If not for some of the earlier bonehead plays, we should have been up by 4 (instead of down) and shouldn't have had needed to bank on luck.

But alas, we won a game we needed to win, against a good team that we needed to beat, and that's big.  This was a huge statement game, and a major moral victory because it puts us in Cleveland's head for the next time we play them.  This sends out a statement to the Cavs that "those guys can beat us" which is important if we face them in the Playoffs.

So yeah, totally proud of the guys for playing hard, but it's just disappointing that we have such a common tendency to blow leads at the end of games.  Being able to execute at the end of games is a key thing for playoff teams - that's why in the big 3 era, we were always a better team than our record suggested.  Because we were beast in the clutch.

Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #836 on: February 05, 2016, 11:59:10 PM »

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Everyone should go read some of the comments at the Cavs blog. They're twice as bad as we are over here on losses, and I think this one especially stings for them!  ;D

http://www.fearthesword.com/2016/2/5/10925186/cleveland-cavaliers-vs-boston-celtics-gamethread
Love had another quiet game.  Limited to 22 minutes.  I still think there's a chance they trade him before the deadline.  It's a bad fit.

Speaking of rumours, do you think MIL might really let Monroe go? Now, this is a player I'd love to have.

I would love to have Monroe.

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Clearly, the pieces to the Bucks’ puzzle aren’t fitting. Several league officials said they would be surprised if the Bucks didn't make a major trade.

“From what I’m hearing is they (the Bucks) are willing to trade anybody not named Parker, Antetokounmpo or Middleton,’’ an NBA executive said. “I even heard they'd listen (to offers) for Parker and Middleton, but it would have to be some crazy offer.

"They want to do something; they know they have to do something. That group they have isn’t working.’’



http://journaltimes.com/sports/basketball/bucks-beat-is-a-major-shakeup-coming/article_5c355e2d-58f8-554e-b6d6-1f5716f7fa3e.html

Monroe I see as that guy who the Celtics could get for their expendable parts. Danny has all the leverage because 1. There's no rush to acquire someone like Monroe and 2. Milwaukee wants to get rid of him because he doesn't fit. Him and Jabari together in the frontcourt? WHAT A JOKE!

If Danny does discuss a deal, Bucks will want a Nets pick, but they aren't getting that no sir. My best offer is Lee, Sullinger, Dallas 1st and Celtics 2018 1st. Not sure Milwaukee will get much better than that for Monroe.

To me, Monroe could be what I thought Lee was going to be this season.

Would love to land either of Monroe or Jabari. I'm more inclined to land Parker, actually. I still think he's got what it takes to be special.

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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #837 on: February 05, 2016, 11:59:33 PM »

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The Cavs have So many players that I absolutely Despise...

JR Smith-poor man's Ron Artest--borderline criminal
Mo Williams---Mr. "Celebrate Before the game is actually won"
Richard Jefferson--Dirtbag when he was on the Nets 30 years ago--still the same.
Iman Shumpert--Loser NY Knick reject
Anderson Varejao---Bad Joakim Noah Impersonator

Great to see those Idiots and their fans go home unhappy.
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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #838 on: February 06, 2016, 12:08:55 AM »

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lol, a lot of us eating crow. But that was wild. We are a flawed team, but they have fight in them, that shouldnt be doubted anymore

How true this statement is.  Just reading all the posts when clev was up 4 with less than :20 to play, there was such venom even though we had played the team with the best record in the East super close all game. Totally uncalled for that some here can't even appreciate overall team effort.  Everyone has bad games, it's almost impossible to be perfect 82 games a season.  Then the Bradley shot and all of a sudden they went from scrubs to heros...smh.

No, it's still frustrating.  Frustrating that we needed Avery to hit a huge (and unlikely) shot to save us from a deficit that we really shouldn't have been in.

I don't care that Cleveland are the best team in the east - that's irrelevant to me.  Fact is that we were down because of stupid plays that could have been avoided.

Turner taking a three in the clutch, when the game is on the line, should not happen.

Jared Sullinger (at career 74% free throw shooter) bricking two free throws with the game on the line should not happen.  It shows his head wasn't in it and he wasn't focussed, and I'd forgive it as a fluke if not for the fact that he constantly does bonehead stuff at the end of close games.

Tyler Zeller making a softie foul against Lebron (a guy famous for his ability to finish with contact) when the game is on the line should not happen. Either foul properly or don't foul at all.

This is all a case of poor late game execution, something which has plagued us so much this season.  That's why we have the 6th best point differential in the NBA, but only the equal 8th best record.  Because our guys fight hard (no complaint there) but have a tendency to lose their mind and make avoidable stupid plays at the end of games.   

Today the stars aligned and we got lucky.  Smart got the huge rebound without getting a foul, Thomas made the pass in traffic without getting it stolen, and Bradley made a huge, huge shot.  All of that was 50% effort and 50% luck.

If not for some of the earlier bonehead plays, we should have been up by 4 (instead of down) and shouldn't have had needed to bank on luck.

But alas, we won a game we needed to win, against a good team that we needed to beat, and that's big.  This was a huge statement game, and a major moral victory because it puts us in Cleveland's head for the next time we play them.  This sends out a statement to the Cavs that "those guys can beat us" which is important if we face them in the Playoffs.

So yeah, totally proud of the guys for playing hard, but it's just disappointing that we have such a common tendency to blow leads at the end of games.  Being able to execute at the end of games is a key thing for playoff teams - that's why in the big 3 era, we were always a better team than our record suggested.  Because we were beast in the clutch.

TP. Sums up my feelings pretty well.

In the last 3 minutes of this game, the Cs made several mistakes, many of which are the type they've made many times this season in late-game situations. They've gotta stop doing those things, or at least minimize them.

But they had some good fortune tonight, and I'm happy about that. And yes, this team has heart, which is great.
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Re: Celtics (29-22) at Cavaliers (35-13) Game #52 2/5/16
« Reply #839 on: February 06, 2016, 12:17:34 AM »

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