Celtics & Rockets discussing Howard trade

[Kane3387]

Leave the Brooklyn picks, smart, crowder, and IT out of it and I'd be ok with any other package for a past his prime center with a microdisectomy.

[rondohondo]

Leave the Brooklyn picks, smart, crowder, and IT out of it and I'd be ok with any other package for a past his prime center with a microdisectomy.

agree, although I would like to keep KO as he would be a perfect fit next to Howard.

[Humble G]

Pnr with IT4. O.O

Space for AB, Jae and IT4 so they can get off cleaner shots/3s.

Nah this ain't happening anyway because we heard about it..

TP..... My thoughts exactly

I would love to see Dwight in Green and to see how the team would look with him....deep playoff run maybe?

[TheSundanceKid]

Giving them Amir with Lee makes them take on $5 million of extra salary this season. I'd not be opposed to shipping out Amir AND Sullinger instead, but then you have to dock some of the picks from the deal.

*Houston hangs up*

And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.
Howard is a good player but he wouldn't fit the culture here. Guys would ask him to commit and put the effort in, he'd whine and then he'd go to the Nets or Mavs so he can go back to having no pressure again.

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There's an assumption that Sullinger would be included, which I've guilty of as well. I think that's a key variable here. Do the Rockets want him? He doesn't exactly scream Houston from a style of play perspective.

If they do -- Lee, Sully and a pick or picks seems pretty logical. I could also see them having interest in Zeller as a pick-n-roll option with Harden.

Personally, I'd rather trade Sully over Zeller, because I have no interest in meeting David Falk's ambitious demands for Sully this summer, but I expect Zeller to be affordable as a solid back-up going forward.

I say all this because Ainge is highly unlikely to trade Olynyk, Smart, Bradley, Thomas, Crowder, Young or any of the three rookies in a Howard deal.

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And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.

Disagree. I think Ainge is totally open to trading the Dallas pick, the Philly pick, etc. And those are pretty good assets for a guy who is expiring on a team headed for a first round exit.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Giving them Amir with Lee makes them take on $5 million of extra salary this season. I'd not be opposed to shipping out Amir AND Sullinger instead, but then you have to dock some of the picks from the deal.

*Houston hangs up*

And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.
Howard is a good player but he wouldn't fit the culture here. Guys would ask him to commit and put the effort in, he'd whine and then he'd go to the Nets or Mavs so he can go back to having no pressure again.

Doesn't matter if he bolts, he would have to show and prove while he is here for a fat check! Again, if we give up little we'd get over it with all we have in reserve.

[coffee425]

Giving them Amir with Lee makes them take on $5 million of extra salary this season. I'd not be opposed to shipping out Amir AND Sullinger instead, but then you have to dock some of the picks from the deal.

*Houston hangs up*

And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.
Howard is a good player but he wouldn't fit the culture here. Guys would ask him to commit and put the effort in, he'd whine and then he'd go to the Nets or Mavs so he can go back to having no pressure again.

I think this isn't a fair point. He's had major injury issues (which is completely fair to attack), but i've never heard or seen anything about his work ethic. As for the pressure, who wants to play with Kobe in LAL anyway; and would anyone want to be in the small pond of Orlando?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

In spite of his obvious athletic gifts, Howard has ultimately been poison at every stop in his career. He also has very little basketball skill, which will make him a liability as his physical prowess fades.

Pass.

[manl_lui]

Leave the Brooklyn picks, smart, crowder, and IT out of it and I'd be ok with any other package for a past his prime center with a microdisectomy.

agree, although I would like to keep KO as he would be a perfect fit next to Howard.

same, I'd take the risk of Dwight's huge ego, but he provides not only an instant upgrade, but will help win more games, perhaps even a series.

Smart Crowder and Dwight provides a very good defense down crunch time. IT KO and Dwight also provides a nice triangle on offense

I want this to happen .

[Evantime34]

Atlanta has targeted him in the past maybe we acquire Howard in order to ship him to Atlanta for Horford.

A healthy Dwight could take our defense from good to great but I'm not sure how good of a fit he is offensively which is where we need more help.

[TheSundanceKid]

And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.

Disagree. I think Ainge is totally open to trading the Dallas pick, the Philly pick, etc. And those are pretty good assets for a guy who is expiring on a team headed for a first round exit.

Ok, fair enough. I was referring mainly to Amir + JJ as I believe them to be huge assets for us on draft day or in the summer. And of course the Nets picks. If we could get Howard for assets like the Dallas pick and our 1st round pick I'm all ears.

Giving them Amir with Lee makes them take on $5 million of extra salary this season. I'd not be opposed to shipping out Amir AND Sullinger instead, but then you have to dock some of the picks from the deal.

*Houston hangs up*

And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.
Howard is a good player but he wouldn't fit the culture here. Guys would ask him to commit and put the effort in, he'd whine and then he'd go to the Nets or Mavs so he can go back to having no pressure again.

I think this isn't a fair point. He's had major injury issues (which is completely fair to attack), but i've never heard or seen anything about his work ethic. As for the pressure, who wants to play with Kobe in LAL anyway; and would anyone want to be in the small pond of Orlando?

Well I disagree on the Kobe point, at that time they were together they were built to contend. Dwight quite honestly seemed disinterested in that, like he was waiting for summer so he could leave. And as this would be the only other time he has been traded I can't help but draw comparisons. As for Orlando i'd say be careful on that assumption. It isn't like Boston attracts players for the weather!

I'm not sure Howard has the same priorities we expect, at the very least it's valid to have those concerns and coupled with his expiring contract (I believe he'll opt out) I find it difficult to give up much for him.

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And that's really the problem. We won't give any significant trade assets to them for what will be a rental til June and they would rather take a shot at resigning him than get peanuts in return. So it won't happen.

Disagree. I think Ainge is totally open to trading the Dallas pick, the Philly pick, etc. And those are pretty good assets for a guy who is expiring on a team headed for a first round exit.

Ok, fair enough. I was referring mainly to Amir + JJ as I believe them to be huge assets for us on draft day or in the summer. And of course the Nets picks. If we could get Howard for assets like the Dallas pick and our 1st round pick I'm all ears.

I think the only scenario where Amir, for example, turns into an asset, is where the Cs sign large FAs that take them up to the cap, and then they need to trade for a salary that takes them over. I don't think this is likely, but if it happens we'd be doing some pretty interesting work in Free Agency.

So, agree Ainge would far rather trade Lee than Amir (for a variety of reasons), and I can't see Morey getting toooo hung up on that part of a deal.

[number_n9ne]

Here, I figured out the real reason Howard is being talked about 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hj3knob

Horford, Korver, Mack to Boston

Howard, Deckker, Philly 2016 2nd to Atlanta

Sullinger, Rozier, Dallas 2016 1st to Huston

Lee, Cleveland 2016 2nd to Portland

[Csfan1984]

I think it helps give an idea that C's are looking to deal and are tire kicking. But don't think either team is serious.