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Who is more important to us, AB or Smart

Avery Bradley
3 (9.7%)
Marcus Smart
28 (90.3%)

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Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« on: January 31, 2016, 06:28:49 AM »

Offline Stig

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If a trade is coming, it's likely one of them will be gone, who would you give up?
Smart is bigger and younger but has poor offensive game
AB seems have reached all his potential but is on a reasonable contract.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2016, 07:01:25 AM »

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why break up a potential number one defense,can you imagine it with a young shot blocker
isaiah and bradley are cetainly adequate on offense and bradley is young and improving each year
you have seen this defense the last few games -

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2016, 08:07:08 AM »

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AB is only nice when his shot gets hot, but so far he is still a stricky shooter
His Passing and dribbling and rebounding and Fts(play soft to avoid contact) are still below average
He plays hard but doesn't have the passion like Smart/IT,  and his Bball IQ is low.
So i will take Smart

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2016, 09:44:14 AM »

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AB doesn't have the offensive potential that Marcus has.
It's a funny point because right now, Avery is the better player, better offensive player and an amazing defender.

The potential we've seen for Smart (at least to me) is that he can be a very good two way player one day. The biggest evidence for this is how much he's improved his pick and roll execution as the ball handler in a short period of time.

But yeah, Smart is more important because he's got the potential to be like Chauncey Billups IMO. Avery Bradley is a great player, but he's a slashing shooter with excellent defense- and elite role player. Marcus Smart can be a star, and that's the main difference.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2016, 09:57:10 AM »

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Smart.............

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2016, 10:04:52 AM »

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I'm going with Smart.

AB at this point in his career was a deer in headlights, and most people on here were probably ready to hand DA for the pick.

Smart has played with a bit of confidence from day one, like he belonged, especially on D. His offense has to grow some, but he passes better than AB right now and handles the ball better too. He's also more willing to go to the hoop as well.

AB's D is really nice, but has dropped some from a few years ago, might be because people are now use to him so they are ready, or the effort isn't there every time down the floor. This could happen to Smart to in a couple years, but Smart was known as a lock down defender coming out.

The was Smart rips the ball away from players makes me smile every time, it's like some kid stole his toy and he taking it back. Also love how when the player he's defending tries to pass over head and he snags it out of the air. And when he pounced on the ball a few weeks back, who does that? I mean you can't teach those two things, and like Gorman says, he just attacks the ball. Even if he doesn't pan out to be a legit starting PG, and he's a bit disappointing for a 6th pick, he's a type of player you want even off the bench on a contending team because he makes things happen on the defensive end.   

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2016, 10:09:10 AM »

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Avery's a likable guy and he clearly works hard. It'd be nice if we didn't have to trade him when we upgrade, but Smart is a difference maker. He's shown this past month what he can be capable of and then some offensively. And he's a true leader. He makes the guys around him better and makes them hustle. I will take him if we have to choose between the two. That shot will come along in the offseason. I assume he doesn't do Summer League again so he'll be able to focus on his weaknesses without potentially hurting himself.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2016, 10:20:36 AM »

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Can't vote on this.  It depends.  Are you asking about this year or next?  AB is a better scorer and is hot and cold.  Smart is the better defender.  His upside is better. AB has reached his ceiling.  He's hired a new agent and there's noise about being unhappy with his contract.  Maybe where there's smoke there's fire.
If I had to choose, I'd keep Smart.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2016, 01:42:00 PM »

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Why does it matter? Why can't we keep both?

It comes down to whether Marcus can develop his point guard skills. If he is a shooting guard, then we probably don't want two shooting guards with starter ability.

I think that's how Danny suckered Phoenix to get Isaiah. They had some kind of logjam. I remember Boston College tended to do well in football in the underdog role, but what probably held them back was they had an affinity to overloading their roster with tight ends. I recall that. Maybe I'm wrong.

The point is teams need a balanced roster to function as a top team. You kind of don't want five or six power forwards instead of having two quality players at both PF and center.

You want about ten players for a rotation, perhaps eight for the playoffs. The game is changing, however. The old school center has become obsolete. So it becomes a bit unclear who is a PF and who is a center.

I think we need another point guard or that's Evan Turner.

For this year, we are going with Isaiah, Avery, Marcus, and Evan.

The rookie sg, pg, and second year James Young are not ready to play for a non-tanking team.

There is both a long-term process and an in the moment this year process.

I am not sure if Danny makes the big fireworks trade or not. I imagine this will be a slow and steady process and that most of the future team could already be in place.

We will get a top draft pick via the Nets and we also have younger players including Avery, Isaiah, and Marcus who will grow with the even younger players who have arrived the last year or two and into the next year or two, if there's no fireworks.

That would not be a bad thing. Patience is a virtue.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2016, 01:47:53 PM »

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Neither.

Smart has great upside.

Bradley's contract gives Ainge more cap space during the summer.

Unless we are getting back a Westbrook type and that means no to Blake, then we should just keep both guys.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2016, 04:07:01 PM »

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Have to say i'm surprised by the overwhelming win by Smart, i'd thought it's close.

I choose AB, guess I just don't see Smart's ceiling higher than AB. Sure his defence is impressive, but not more impressive than AB's second year, when we had a great run in the playoff. I hope he proves me wrong.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2016, 04:10:02 PM »

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Have to say i'm surprised by the overwhelming win by Smart, i'd thought it's close.

I choose AB, guess I just don't see Smart's ceiling higher than AB. Sure his defence is impressive, but not more impressive than AB's second year, when we had a great run in the playoff. I hope he proves me wrong.

Smart has almost the same impact as Bradley right now and he's only been in the league a year. 

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2016, 04:18:50 PM »

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Is this even a question?

Smart is starting out so much higher than Bradley did, that if he improves as much as Bradley has, he could make some all star games.

His ceiling is basically Dwayne Wade or Gary Payton (and more than likely is going to be a better shooter than both).
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2016, 04:27:02 PM »

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These guys both have incredible value to us.

KeepBoth.

AB allows the Cs to have cap flexibility with his team friendly contract.

And so does Smart but he also has great upside.

No need to get rid of either unless again it's for a Westbrook type of player.

Re: Who is more important to us, AB or Smart
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2016, 04:41:15 PM »

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 Smart long term.