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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2016, 04:23:48 PM »

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Griffin and Paul are great players. I have two primary issues with them: 1) They whine waaaay too much; 2) I could be wrong, but I feel like they aren't "big game" players.
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2016, 04:30:09 PM »

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Quote from: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 27, 2016, 04:23:48 PM
Griffin and Paul are great players. I have two primary issues with them: 1) They whine waaaay too much; 2) I could be wrong, but I feel like they aren't "big game" players.

CP3's game-winner at the end of game 7 against the Spurs last year wasn't "big game" enough for you?  ;)
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM »

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A Davis
LeBron
Steph Curry
Durant
Cousins
P George
Westbrook

K Leonard
B Griffin
J Harden
J Butler
L Aldridge
C Paul
K Towns

Gobert
Wall
Lillard
Horford
Porzingis
M Gasol
Millsap
DeRozan
Dray Green
G Hayward
Conley
K Thompson
Kyrie
Lowry
Wiggins
Drummond
Giannis
Bosh

Too old = Duncan, Dirk, Wade, P Gasol,
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM »

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Quote from: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 27, 2016, 04:23:48 PM
Griffin and Paul are great players. I have two primary issues with them: 1) They whine waaaay too much; 2) I could be wrong, but I feel like they aren't "big game" players.

You'll get no argument from me on the first point. I can't stand those dudes.
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2016, 04:43:43 PM »

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I think on a different team, in a different market, Blake could be a lot more likable.  But he's taking his cues from Doc and Chris Paul, and there's just not a lot to like about them.

Going back to the Amare comparison, imagine Blake on a colorful, fun team like the mid-00's Suns.
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2016, 05:08:33 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
A Davis
LeBron
Steph Curry
Durant
Cousins
P George
Westbrook

K Leonard
B Griffin
J Harden
J Butler
L Aldridge
C Paul
K Towns

Gobert
Wall
Lillard
Horford
Porzingis
M Gasol
Millsap
DeRozan
Dray Green
G Hayward
Conley
K Thompson
Kyrie
Lowry
Wiggins
Drummond
Giannis
Bosh

Too old = Duncan, Dirk, Wade, P Gasol,

No Melo, Dwight or Love?
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2016, 05:11:53 PM »

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Quote from: snively on January 27, 2016, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
A Davis
LeBron
Steph Curry
Durant
Cousins
P George
Westbrook

K Leonard
B Griffin
J Harden
J Butler
L Aldridge
C Paul
K Towns

Gobert
Wall
Lillard
Horford
Porzingis
M Gasol
Millsap
DeRozan
Dray Green
G Hayward
Conley
K Thompson
Kyrie
Lowry
Wiggins
Drummond
Giannis
Bosh

Too old = Duncan, Dirk, Wade, P Gasol,

No Melo, Dwight or Love?

I forgot Melo. Melo should be 2nd tier falling to 3rd tier soon.

I am unsure whether Dwight should be on this list anymore. His health is worrying. So I left Dwight out intentionally.

K-Love can go in 3rd tier. Forgot him also.
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2016, 06:14:40 PM »

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There are two levels of "stars" ...

(1) MVP winners/1st Team All NBA players

(2) All-Stars


The first level contains maybe 5-10 people.  Of these, maybe 2-4 can be put on any roster in the NBA with an automatic expectation of challenging for the conference finals, possibly NBA finals.  They are:

1) Curry
2) Lebron
3) Durant
4) Westbrook
5) Paul
6) Duncan (can't take him out with the Spurs being that good).

7-10 in this tier are highly debatable. Dirk could also be in this tier under the Duncan Rule.

The next tier is filled with 15-30 players that already are or could be All-Stars.  Some are closer to the top than others.  It's too deep to list here and we shouldn't even discuss it.
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2016, 06:29:26 PM »

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Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: snively on January 27, 2016, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
A Davis
LeBron
Steph Curry
Durant
Cousins
P George
Westbrook

K Leonard
B Griffin
J Harden
J Butler
L Aldridge
C Paul
K Towns

Gobert
Wall
Lillard
Horford
Porzingis
M Gasol
Millsap
DeRozan
Dray Green
G Hayward
Conley
K Thompson
Kyrie
Lowry
Wiggins
Drummond
Giannis
Bosh

Too old = Duncan, Dirk, Wade, P Gasol,

No Melo, Dwight or Love?

I forgot Melo. Melo should be 2nd tier falling to 3rd tier soon.

I am unsure whether Dwight should be on this list anymore. His health is worrying. So I left Dwight out intentionally.

K-Love can go in 3rd tier. Forgot him also.

This list looks like it is very much considering potential.  Towns shouldn't be in that second group.  There is no way that he is playing better than Draymond right now.  I don't think Giannis is even sniffing that third tier.  I also think Kawhi is at worst, even with PG13, and even that is being generous. 
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2016, 07:11:15 PM »

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Quote from: CelticSince83 on January 27, 2016, 06:29:26 PM
Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: snively on January 27, 2016, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
A Davis
LeBron
Steph Curry
Durant
Cousins
P George
Westbrook

K Leonard
B Griffin
J Harden
J Butler
L Aldridge
C Paul
K Towns

Gobert
Wall
Lillard
Horford
Porzingis
M Gasol
Millsap
DeRozan
Dray Green
G Hayward
Conley
K Thompson
Kyrie
Lowry
Wiggins
Drummond
Giannis
Bosh

Too old = Duncan, Dirk, Wade, P Gasol,

No Melo, Dwight or Love?

I forgot Melo. Melo should be 2nd tier falling to 3rd tier soon.

I am unsure whether Dwight should be on this list anymore. His health is worrying. So I left Dwight out intentionally.

K-Love can go in 3rd tier. Forgot him also.

This list looks like it is very much considering potential.  Towns shouldn't be in that second group.  There is no way that he is playing better than Draymond right now.  I don't think Giannis is even sniffing that third tier.  I also think Kawhi is at worst, even with PG13, and even that is being generous.

I think approaching it from a potential standpoint is the right way to look at it, since the premise started with who you might trade for. 

Pretty good list, thanks for putting the time in.
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Re: So who are the "stars"
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2016, 07:30:23 PM »

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Quote from: chilidawg on January 27, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
Quote from: CelticSince83 on January 27, 2016, 06:29:26 PM
Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 05:11:53 PM
Quote from: snively on January 27, 2016, 05:08:33 PM
Quote from: Who on January 27, 2016, 04:33:39 PM
A Davis
LeBron
Steph Curry
Durant
Cousins
P George
Westbrook

K Leonard
B Griffin
J Harden
J Butler
L Aldridge
C Paul
K Towns

Gobert
Wall
Lillard
Horford
Porzingis
M Gasol
Millsap
DeRozan
Dray Green
G Hayward
Conley
K Thompson
Kyrie
Lowry
Wiggins
Drummond
Giannis
Bosh

Too old = Duncan, Dirk, Wade, P Gasol,

No Melo, Dwight or Love?

I forgot Melo. Melo should be 2nd tier falling to 3rd tier soon.

I am unsure whether Dwight should be on this list anymore. His health is worrying. So I left Dwight out intentionally.

K-Love can go in 3rd tier. Forgot him also.

This list looks like it is very much considering potential.  Towns shouldn't be in that second group.  There is no way that he is playing better than Draymond right now.  I don't think Giannis is even sniffing that third tier.  I also think Kawhi is at worst, even with PG13, and even that is being generous.

I think approaching it from a potential standpoint is the right way to look at it, since the premise started with who you might trade for. 

Pretty good list, thanks for putting the time in.

That's fair.  Guess the title just mislead me a bit.  The same for a lot of the banter in the thread. 
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