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Re: 2016 draft - 6 picks deep
« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2016, 08:44:09 PM »

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Lab and Brown will probably dominate in work outs after the season so I don't see them falling out of the top 5.

Re: 2016 draft - 6 picks deep
« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2016, 08:57:20 PM »

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Anybody else watching college BB this evening?  Caught the end of LSU-OU, now watching Kansas-Kentucky.

Simmons was quiet when I watched LSU.  Dickey V. was screaming for Simmons to assert himself down the stretch, but he never did.  Have to agree, best player has to step up.  Quarterman was the best on the court for LSU, seems to show up in big games.  Good ball handler, long lean guy at 6'6.  Has shot well when I've watched but seems inconsistent based on box scores.

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Re: 2016 draft - 6 picks deep
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2016, 02:28:37 AM »

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Anybody else watching college BB this evening?  Caught the end of LSU-OU, now watching Kansas-Kentucky.

Simmons was quiet when I watched LSU.  Dickey V. was screaming for Simmons to assert himself down the stretch, but he never did.  Have to agree, best player has to step up.  Quarterman was the best on the court for LSU, seems to show up in big games.  Good ball handler, long lean guy at 6'6.  Has shot well when I've watched but seems inconsistent based on box scores.

KU-UK:  Selden> Murray
             Dialllo>Labissierre
             Ullis= next IT
             Poythress will have a good NBA career if he can be a decent shooter.

Buddy Hield. 

Re: 2016 draft - 6 picks deep
« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2016, 08:52:58 AM »

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Hield is having an amazing season, and I think he'll be an effective pro when he's not the primary focus of every defense.

Re: 2016 draft - 6 picks deep
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2016, 10:03:24 AM »

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Buddy Hield was lights out vs Texas tech yesterday.
This guy is starting to look more and more like James Harden with better shooting, improving ball handling and better defense.
He's potentially creeping up into top 5 territory as the season goes on.

I'm amazed that draftexpress don't have him in the top 10, because he's gotta be top 10 at least.
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Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2016, 12:33:51 PM »

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Changing the thread title to 5 players.

Starting to really dislike the possibly of getting the 6th pick.

Also, there are other decent players but nobody you want a top pick with outside the top 5.

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2016, 12:43:27 PM »

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Changing the thread title to 5 players.

Starting to really dislike the possibly of getting the 6th pick.

Also, there are other decent players but nobody you want a top pick with outside the top 5.
I could see Buddy Heild, Murray, Poeltl and/or Ellenson jumping into the second tier with great tournament performances.
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Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2016, 12:45:23 PM »

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For me Simmons Ingram Hield Brown and Dunn all look good. bender I have no idea but a lot of people like him.

We are getting a top 6 pick so this isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Plus guys like Ellenson Poeltl Labisierre Rabb and Murray are all nice prospects that could be had late lotto

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2016, 12:52:50 PM »

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Changing the thread title to 5 players.

Starting to really dislike the possibly of getting the 6th pick.

Also, there are other decent players but nobody you want a top pick with outside the top 5.
I could see Buddy Heild, Murray, Poeltl and/or Ellenson jumping into the second tier with great tournament performances.
I somewhat agree.

Those guys can all be solid contributors on an NBA team but they don't have the same potential as the top 5. I also would rather take Davis from Mich State over those other guys you mentioned. He has a higher ceiling.

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2016, 01:18:44 PM »

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If we are talking potential superstars then it's probably 15 deep but only 3 will probably reach their full potential. Teams, commitment and health will always hold a bunch of guys back.

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2016, 01:28:31 PM »

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If we are talking potential superstars then it's probably 15 deep but only 3 will probably reach their full potential. Teams, commitment and health will always hold a bunch of guys back.
How are you coming up with 15 players?

Are you using other draft classes to make that assumption or are you evaluating the actual talent in this draft class?

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2016, 01:30:46 PM »

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If we are talking potential superstars then it's probably 15 deep but only 3 will probably reach their full potential. Teams, commitment and health will always hold a bunch of guys back.
3 superstars?

What qualifies a superstar for you? How are there 15 potential ones?

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2016, 01:34:08 PM »

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Things you can pretty much bank on:
-Nets will be handing us a pick in the top 5 post lottery.  currently at #4 pre lottery.  extremely unlikely that 2 teams jump over us.  better odds that we jump into top 3.
-at least one player in the "top 5" players projected in this thread will be considered a bust by the end of their second season.
-at least 2 players not taken in the top 5 will look like studs that will have the monday-morning quarterbacks here jeering the GMs for overlooking players that were obviously better than who they did pick.
-Danny will be both praised and vilified for whomever he picks with the Nets picks and any other picks he makes this year (whichever ones aren't traded away).

Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2016, 01:46:51 PM »

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It's so hard to tell how deep a draft really is until after the fact.


That said, from what I've read and seen, this draft seems to break down like this:

1-2: Simmons & Ingram ... elite prospects.  Can't go wrong. Might not be superstars, but they'll be good.

3-5: Brown, Bender, Dunn ... You can get a polished guard prospect with limited upside in Dunn, you can take a guy with great physical ability and a raw game who might be out of the league in 5 years, or you can take this year's Magical Euro Mystery Box and hope for the best -- but remember, he might not play in the NBA for 2-3 years.

6: Poeltl ... Worst case scenario he's Omer Asik.  Best case scenario he's like a more offensively talented Steven Adams or Timofey Mozgov.  Either way, you're going to get a guy who can be productive on the boards and inside, but probably not a game-changer at center.

7-14: Murray, Ellenson, Stone, Hield, Lab, Rabb, Valentine, Luwawu ... Your guess is as good as mine.  Probably some role players / borderline starters in here, maybe a couple diamonds in the rough (or in the Stone?), but I wouldn't my life on any of them.


It could be worse; our all-important high draft pick could have come in a year like 2013 when there were no clear cut high upside, low bust potential prospects.

Basically, I agree with KR here -- you want a top 5 pick in this draft.  Getting #6 means you're probably taking the safe pick in Poeltl.  Though knowing Ainge, he'd use it on a player who fits his M.O. better, e.g. Ellenson or Valentine.



Personally, I think I'd like to see the team take Brown and then hope for the best.  In the wrong situation, he's the kind of prospect who turns into Terrence Williams or, if you're lucky, Tyreke Evans.  In the best type of situation, maybe he can become Jimmy Butler.  You draft him and pray that Brad Stevens makes the Celtics "the best type of situation." 

Alternatively, trading the pick and some other lesser assets to get a prospect like Okafor or Noel, or getting an even more established player, would be a great outcome.
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Re: 2016 draft - 5 picks deep
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2016, 02:09:50 PM »

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It's so hard to tell how deep a draft really is until after the fact.


That said, from what I've read and seen, this draft seems to break down like this:

1-2: Simmons & Ingram ... elite prospects.  Can't go wrong. Might not be superstars, but they'll be good.

3-5: Brown, Bender, Dunn ... You can get a polished guard prospect with limited upside in Dunn, you can take a guy with great physical ability and a raw game who might be out of the league in 5 years, or you can take this year's Magical Euro Mystery Box and hope for the best -- but remember, he might not play in the NBA for 2-3 years.

6: Poeltl ... Worst case scenario he's Omer Asik.  Best case scenario he's like a more offensively talented Steven Adams or Timofey Mozgov.  Either way, you're going to get a guy who can be productive on the boards and inside, but probably not a game-changer at center.

7-14: Murray, Ellenson, Stone, Hield, Lab, Rabb, Valentine, Luwawu ... Your guess is as good as mine.  Probably some role players / borderline starters in here, maybe a couple diamonds in the rough (or in the Stone?), but I wouldn't my life on any of them.


It could be worse; our all-important high draft pick could have come in a year like 2013 when there were no clear cut high upside, low bust potential prospects.

Basically, I agree with KR here -- you want a top 5 pick in this draft.  Getting #6 means you're probably taking the safe pick in Poeltl.  Though knowing Ainge, he'd use it on a player who fits his M.O. better, e.g. Ellenson or Valentine.



Personally, I think I'd like to see the team take Brown and then hope for the best.  In the wrong situation, he's the kind of prospect who turns into Terrence Williams or, if you're lucky, Tyreke Evans.  In the best type of situation, maybe he can become Jimmy Butler.  You draft him and pray that Brad Stevens makes the Celtics "the best type of situation." 

Alternatively, trading the pick and some other lesser assets to get a prospect like Okafor or Noel, or getting an even more established player, would be a great outcome.
TP for the nice breakdown.

Just add Davis from Mich St in there somewhere.