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If Sullinger is always going to be overweight and basically non-athletic, is it time to give up on him?

Yes
35 (79.5%)
No
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Voting closed: January 23, 2016, 09:00:30 PM

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If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« on: January 20, 2016, 09:00:30 PM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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I was all-in for Sullinger earlier in the year. He was one of our best players. We kept getting reports he was still exercising. They said he was walking up steps after games.

If this is him after all of that, I've seen enough. He's had plenty of time to get into shape. I don't know why his weight and goals are such a mystery.

I am looking for a referendum vote. These are the conditions.

Sully has a food addiction or something and this is who he is, a rich man's Big Baby. A yes vote means you don't think this finished Sullinger is worthy of being in future plans.

I bet if we did the same poll for Crowder, it would be 99% keep him.

This is not about trades or how much he is going to want in the next contract. This is a simple poll of yes or no, does Jared Sullinger fit in?

Yes please get rid of him or no, as is, he is on the roster and is one of our best players whether he is very fat or not as fat, but still fat.

I vote yes. I have officially given up on Jared Sullinger. He is not as bad as David Lee, but he is holding us back.

Yes, we would need to replace his rebounding, but that is all.

His center defense is overrated, imho.

Thanks to anyone who votes or comments.

I think we need a running philosophy. We can pretty much see how Stevens likes to run a team. I don't think Sullinger has the right body to fit in long-term. If he would get into shape, I would say heck no, keep him.

It comes down to his weight. He appears incapable of getting into shape. He's had so much time to do it. This isn't baseball where someone can be obese and still hit home runs/play first base or throw a ball 95 m.p.h..

This is my eye test. He is not Shaq. Shaq was even more obese than Sully when we had him, but he was a million times the player. Sullinger could have become an all-star, but he doesn't have the maturity to get into shape. He is holding us back.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2016, 09:01:53 PM »

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So he's having a bad game, and this means that he's gone?

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2016, 09:07:24 PM »

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So he's having a bad game, and this means that he's gone?
yeah, I don't get the Sully-hate on this site, particularly the ongoing 'fat' commentary.  some games he's terrific, some he's not.  tonight's not his night unfortunately

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2016, 09:14:30 PM »

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Neither do I.  Stuff like that is annoying and depressing imo. Sully is going to rebound.  He might not ever be what some people thought.  He can rebound and play tough though.  He is going to have some injury concerns with his body and hs health if he doesn't clean himself up a bit.  But he's a fighter.

Still love the Sully and KO combo.  Amir is a good vet for now but who we really need to replace is him ultimately. Lee is gone.  Mickey needs some time.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2016, 09:14:33 PM »

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He would be a solid bench guy but he is not a great starter by any means.   I would resign him if he is reasonable but I do not think he is worth, big money.   He is also, not a stretch four but more a classical four.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2016, 09:19:41 PM »

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Sully is still starting over KO because Sully is a better post defender.  He and Amir are our most physical post defenders right now.  KO is more atheltic than both and starting to be a lot more active.  KO is a stud in t he making imo.  He still does not establish position nearly as well as Sully defensively though.
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Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2016, 09:19:42 PM »

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He would be a solid bench guy but he is not a great starter by any means.   I would resign him if he is reasonable but I do not think he is worth, big money.   He is also, not a stretch four but more a classical four.
completely agree with that assessment.  there's nothing wrong with being a bench-quality player.  I think all of our players are bench-quality.  we need better players to start for us but our guys that are pressed into starting do the best they can against (usually) better players

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2016, 09:24:01 PM »

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It's interesting that people think this is a reaction to one game. Perhaps they do not understand basketball is a team sport and teams end up with identities. Ours is going to boil down to running with ferocious defense, two skills that Sullinger does not possess.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2016, 09:25:41 PM »

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I agree with OP.

I think the discussions pertaining to Sully have ended. Before the season it was Sully vs KO, who should we keep? That has been answered. And what I see from Sully is a tendency to force shots in his limited time, which isn't really helping the flow of the team. Sully is a dominant rebounder, but those are skills that can be replaced. At this point we should roll with AJ and KO, sprinkle in a bit of TZ and on other occasions go small bringing in JJ.

This isn't Sully hate, it's just stating that Sully hasn't improved how the team required him to.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2016, 09:32:22 PM »

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Why does Sullinger have to go?  He has a bad back and doesn't move around too well. He's a tenacious rebounder and a scrappy defender.  Why wouldn't we want that?  Amir JOhnson is not going to be here forever. 

I still think Bass was overrated on this team that way and Glenn Davis was much more important contributing to a championship team with his energy.  He wasn't as efficient but Sully has the ability to take his game to another level.

This team is going to replace Amir someday with a real center. Mickey will come off hte bench and Sully should still be here too.

Sully has the ability to start. He is a more physical defender than KO and compliments him well that way. He's also a better rebounder.

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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2016, 09:34:31 PM »

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Quote
  He has a bad back and doesn't move around too well. He's a tenacious rebounder and a scrappy defender.

scrappy defender  LOL, you should do stand up.   TP That was hilarious.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2016, 09:37:33 PM »

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Sully can't play up tempo like this is all.   But when the game slows down he's good to have in there. It's why he starts.  Amir can get up and down. But his upside is limited and we need to do better than him ultimately if we really want to get to the next level.  Amir has bad ankles himself.

Sullinger is a scrappy defender.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2016, 09:44:11 PM »

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I agree with OP.

I think the discussions pertaining to Sully have ended. Before the season it was Sully vs KO, who should we keep? That has been answered. And what I see from Sully is a tendency to force shots in his limited time, which isn't really helping the flow of the team. Sully is a dominant rebounder, but those are skills that can be replaced. At this point we should roll with AJ and KO, sprinkle in a bit of TZ and on other occasions go small bringing in JJ.

This isn't Sully hate, it's just stating that Sully hasn't improved how the team required him to.

I agree this isn't about a personal doghouse. I admit Sullinger is a solid player. He's also consistently pitiful as a three point shooter. He passes well, but I notice his turnover rate is close to the assist number.

It does come down to his weight. He isn't even that overweight compared to Americans on the street. I can't believe how fat the majority of us are. It's not only unhealthy, it's not that tough to turn it around.

Sullinger has no excuses. He could have become a borderline all-star starting this year if he had solved his food addiction.

This isn't heavyweight boxing or playing poker. And the league is going smaller and faster.

The flow of the game.... I agree. It is everything. Sullinger as out of shape is a mismatch with the rest of the roster. Lee is over the hill.

I like the Jerebko idea but Jordan Mickey even better. I know he is a rookie, but his game fits in and sometimes a player is ready made even as a rookie. It couldn't hurt to throw Mickey in there. We tried it with Hunter and Young.

Re: If this is Sully, is it almost time to say goodbye?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2016, 09:46:42 PM »

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I hope Ainge thinks this through and doesn't listen.  Why do we need to trade Sullinger?  These are the types of moves ainge makes sometimes I can't stand.  Glenn DAvis for Bass was the same thing.

Amir is not going to last with his ankles and we need a better center than him ultimately.  Sullinger is a role player and more talented than any of those guys.

Just because so and so doesn't add up on the spreadsheet. It doesnt mean Sully can't serve a purpose int he right spots and with Stevens as his coach.


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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2016, 09:51:17 PM »

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We lost this game because we played one style for the entire 4th quarter and played no defense or rebounded the ball.  Stilll love the KO/Sully combination but they need to continue to improve.  Stevens also has to use them in the right spots.

People used to pick on Glenn Davis until people traded him. No pass Bass sucked ass. So did Amir Johnson for the entire 4th quarter this game.

Amir did absolutely nothing in the 4th quarter. We can draft a better up tempo center than him and pay Sully and keep him as well as KO and Mickey.
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