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Consolidating the roster
« on: January 19, 2016, 02:19:22 PM »

Offline CsBanner18

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If Ainge can't make a substantial trade involving Lee's contract, I think there are other ways to make use of his contract. Ainge should be looking to consolidate the roster and/or adding a player(s) to the roster who a better fit than Lee beyond this year.


Here are two ideas:

Idea #1:

TO BOS: Noah
TO CHI: Gordon, 2nd round pick from NO (protected so it likely doesn't convey)
TO N.O: Lee, Moore, 2nd round pick from BOs (non-philly)

Pretty simple. Noah is injured which allows Bobby Portis to enter the Bulls rotation permanently. Chicago is swapping Noah's expiring for Eric Gordon's while adding more scoring for a playoff push. The Pelicans get Lee, Moore, & a 2nd rounder to compensate them for Gordon (particularly his scoring). The Celtics clear their log jam at PF/C by getting an injured player. Next year IF BOTH PLAYERS ARE HEALTHY I'd prefer Noah>Lee anyday...


Trade #2:

TO BOS: Noah, Anderson
TO CHI: Gordon
TO N.O: Lee, Jerebko, Sully, 2nd round pick from BOS (non-philly), 2nd round pick from CHI

Same logic from trade #1 applies. The Bulls take Moore out of the deal & add a 2nd round pick that isn't protected. The Celtics swap Sully & Jerebko for Ryan Anderon.


Disclaimer: I'm putting Sully in my proposals for the simple fact that he is on an expiring contract. However, we could easily swap him with Olynyk and make the trades work (maybe take back our 2nd rounder since the Pelicans would get another full year of K.O before having to re-sign him)

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2016, 02:24:29 PM »

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Noah is potentially out for the year with an injured shoulder. I have no interest in trading for an injured player on the last year of his contract.
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Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2016, 02:30:01 PM »

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Noah is potentially out for the year with an injured shoulder. I have no interest in trading for an injured player on the last year of his contract.

This. Why give up Lee and a second for a guy who won't be in uniform for us this year with no guarantee he would sign with us next year.

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2016, 02:33:43 PM »

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I'm going to behave and just say those are bad ideas. Thank you.

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2016, 02:37:29 PM »

Offline CsBanner18

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Noah is potentially out for the year with an injured shoulder. I have no interest in trading for an injured player on the last year of his contract.

I'm guessing you're a David Lee stan?! GOD FORBID WE GIVE UP DAVID LEE for an injured Noah to try & make room for Mickey...that would just ruin our team...

Btw, this trade is isn't the be-all-end-all. It's just one of the many trade ideas that come to my mind. My expectations at the deadline are higher. However, if either of these two trades were made as a last resort I'd be all for it

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2016, 02:42:31 PM »

Offline CsBanner18

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Noah is potentially out for the year with an injured shoulder. I have no interest in trading for an injured player on the last year of his contract.

This. Why give up Lee and a second for a guy who won't be in uniform for us this year with no guarantee he would sign with us next year.

Lee is a non factor. We don't need him now or next year. So essentially we're giving up one of MANY 2nd round picks for the chance to re-sign Noah to a team friendly deal. Couple that with the fact that we'd be clearing the logjam at PF/C and I'd argue that a 2nd round pick is definitely worth giving up...

I also think trading for Noah shows him how much we appreciate what he would bring to the team. I think we'd have a pretty decent chance to re-sign him

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2016, 02:52:13 PM »

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I don't understand why are we proposing trades for players who can't play anymore, players who are injured or players who are legit headcases???

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2016, 02:53:43 PM »

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Noah is potentially out for the year with an injured shoulder. I have no interest in trading for an injured player on the last year of his contract.

I'm guessing you're a David Lee stan?! GOD FORBID WE GIVE UP DAVID LEE for an injured Noah to try & make room for Mickey...that would just ruin our team...

Btw, this trade is isn't the be-all-end-all. It's just one of the many trade ideas that come to my mind. My expectations at the deadline are higher. However, if either of these two trades were made as a last resort I'd be all for it
How dare you! Accusing me of being a David Lee fan is pretty much the worst thing anyone has ever said about me on Celticsblog.

I'd rather cut Lee than pay an asset to get a player that wont play or us (probably ever).

I agree we should package Lee and a pick to get a better player (Eric Gordon makes more sense to me). The idea of consolidation is a good one, I expect us to make a move to ship out some back end of the roster dead weight before the deadline.
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Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2016, 03:14:00 PM »

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I'd be fine with using Lee and a 2nd rounder to get Noah's Bird Rights if there were no other/better options for using Lee's contract.
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Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2016, 03:16:29 PM »

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I'd be fine with using Lee and a 2nd rounder to get Noah's Bird Rights if there were no other/better options for using Lee's contract.

In the end not sure how much worth does Noah's Bird Rights have when he'll probably end up being renounced because of his big cap hold he'll have.

In the end I see no benefit other than wasting a 2nd rounder (as little value as it may have).

Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2016, 03:25:44 PM »

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I'd be fine with using Lee and a 2nd rounder to get Noah's Bird Rights if there were no other/better options for using Lee's contract.

In the end not sure how much worth does Noah's Bird Rights have when he'll probably end up being renounced because of his big cap hold he'll have.

In the end I see no benefit other than wasting a 2nd rounder (as little value as it may have).

He'd be renounced only if Ainge had a FA in the bag, waiting to sign a new contract.

Edit: Ainge could also negotiate that new contract for Noah (either with Boston, or with a new team) early in the FA process, and lower that cap hit (or execute the sign and trade).
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Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2016, 03:36:03 PM »

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I'd be fine with using Lee and a 2nd rounder to get Noah's Bird Rights if there were no other/better options for using Lee's contract.

In the end not sure how much worth does Noah's Bird Rights have when he'll probably end up being renounced because of his big cap hold he'll have.

In the end I see no benefit other than wasting a 2nd rounder (as little value as it may have).

He'd be renounced only if Ainge had a FA in the bag, waiting to sign a new contract.

Edit: Ainge could also negotiate that new contract for Noah (either with Boston, or with a new team) early in the FA process, and lower that cap hit (or execute the sign and trade).

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Re: Consolidating the roster
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2016, 03:41:59 PM »

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I'd be fine with using Lee and a 2nd rounder to get Noah's Bird Rights if there were no other/better options for using Lee's contract.

In the end not sure how much worth does Noah's Bird Rights have when he'll probably end up being renounced because of his big cap hold he'll have.

In the end I see no benefit other than wasting a 2nd rounder (as little value as it may have).

He'd be renounced only if Ainge had a FA in the bag, waiting to sign a new contract.

Edit: Ainge could also negotiate that new contract for Noah (either with Boston, or with a new team) early in the FA process, and lower that cap hit (or execute the sign and trade).

Of course, that's why I said probably.

Ainge could negotiate a contract for Noah early without having to trade for him. And if we do so, without trading for him, we won't have his cap hold hovering over us or the need to execute his contract early in order to reduce his cap hold (doubtful Noah agrees to anything early in my opinion).

So in all, there's little benefit in having his Bird Rights next season by my estimation. I also think we're underestimating how much money will be moved around next season and the type of deal Noah will end up getting, with his decline and all.

I rather keep the 2nd rounder.