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Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2016, 11:41:57 PM »

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 Yes we are to a degree. For. Now he needs to demand the ball more with the second unit and play without ET.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2016, 11:47:26 PM »

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 He's 6'2" Triboy. Just extremely long at 6'9" plus wingspan, and built like a tank.

he is not 6'2. no way

Steph curry is like 6'2.  Smart is at least 6'3. Maybe 6'3.5

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2016, 04:03:55 AM »

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Defensively, he's a monster at the four. . . and he's only 6'2"!

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Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2016, 05:00:08 AM »

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 I go by without shoes height and they are both exactly 6'2" tall. Curry and Smart are the same height.

 It's Curry's slight advantage with the shooting stroke that makes him a hair better than Smart.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2016, 05:37:44 AM »

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In the beginning of the year I woulda taken Bradley over smart but long term id prefer smart getting more pt. our starting lineup should be Isaiah smart crowder sully Amir.  With a rotation of turner Bradley jerebko kelly zeller off the bench

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2016, 06:07:00 AM »

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Maybe. He missed some time due to injuries and all, but it seems like he is not playing to his potential. And for that you must get playing time. IT is a hell of a player, but Smart is our PG and he should be starting. I think we will see after the deadline when the dust is cleared...

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2016, 06:09:26 AM »

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I posted this in another thread (I think the one that talks about how smart can improve on offense) but it echoes a similar sentiment to the OP. I also don't think smart is being put in the best position to succeed on offense.

I'm just speculating, but Smart doesn't strike me as a guy who you can just plug in and expect to go microwave like an IT4 or Jamal Crawford or JR Smith. I think he's more of a rhythm player who needs a lot of touches (not necessarily shots) and needs to be involved way more than just "bring the ball down and pass it off". Right now, he's usually afterthought on offense and that's both on him and the coaches. He needs to demand the ball more and the coaching staff needs to call his number more.

Now, I don't know if he's ready for that offensive responsibility just yet, but I'm fairly confident that if CBS keeps using him as a spot up shooter or bail out 3-point shooter, Smart will continue to shoot pretty subpar percentages.
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Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 06:14:51 AM »

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 I go by without shoes height and they are both exactly 6'2" tall. Curry and Smart are the same height.

 It's Curry's slight advantage with the shooting stroke that makes him a hair better than Smart.

He's listed at 6-4 and having stood next to him he's no less than 6-3.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 08:19:55 AM »

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 He's 6'2" Triboy. Just extremely long at 6'9" plus wingspan, and built like a tank.

he is not 6'2. no way

Steph curry is like 6'2.  Smart is at least 6'3. Maybe 6'3.5

He'd be at least 6'4 if we'd stop stunting his growth.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2016, 08:26:50 AM »

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In 2014, Marcus Smart measured 6'-2" without shoes, 6'-3.25" with, 227 lbs, 6'-9.25" wingspan.

In 2009 (is he really that old) Curry measured 6'-2" without shoes, 6'-3.5" with, 181 lbs, 6'-3.5" wingspan.

Not sure what this has to do with Smart's development but seems like a pretty easy argument to settle.

I think durability has been the biggest issue in Smart's development.  I don't think all the other stuff matters so much.  I remember Smart in the first summer league games.  He was horrible but he improved rapidly until he got hurt.  I don't ever remember seeing a player improve so much from summer league to regular games.  It was like every game he figured out something and made it part of his game.

Durability is my biggest concern with Smart but close behind is his lack of shooting touch.  This is the key area of his game that has not improved much.  I think he can get points but to fulfill his full potential, he just plain needs to shoot better.  Staying on the court will help.  I don't think it matters what court role he plays or who he plays with though.  Shooting is shooting.  He needs to get better.

Those long arms are great for defense and rebounding but Curry seems to be doing much better shooting with short arms.  I guess the answer is we need to shrink Marcus's arms.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2016, 08:28:34 AM »

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This has been on my mind for a while, but as the thread states, are we? Obviously Smart's a streaky shooter and needs to improve his shot, but it doesn't seem like we are putting him in the best possible position to excel. At this stage in his career Smart is much better suited playing with the ball in hands and has shown a nice knack for hitting teammates on PNR's. Rather than this he seems to be relegated to playing off the ball and alongside ball dominate teammates like Thomas and Turner. You need to put guys, especially the players you're trying to develop, in positions that suits their skills. This even includes some post ups/pin downs for Smart against smaller guards.

I can see a few things right now:

1) Since his return, Evan Turner has played awful.  They should not play together at all.  I trust Smart as the primary ball handler now.  Plus ET winds up off the ball and shooting threes.

2) He is missing shots because he is rushing them.  Most, if not all of his misses, are short.  That tells me he is not getting set with this feet and legs.

3) Last night many of his misses were in-and-out...so he might be fixing point #2

4) He is getting to the basket, just not converting.  In this sense he needs to learn from Turner and Thomas...be crafty and go underneath with layups and not attack the front of the rim.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2016, 10:00:19 AM »

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Players don't play in stocking feet, they play in sneakers.

So players should be measured as they're playing.

Marcus with sneakers on, is probably closer to 6-4 than 6-2.

Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2016, 11:34:02 AM »

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All the official measurements for players are with their shoes on, I'm not sure why people insist on saying a player is their height in bare feat.

 If every other player's height is taken with their shoes on why do we need to bring up their height without shoes?
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Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2016, 12:02:58 PM »

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All the official measurements for players are with their shoes on, I'm not sure why people insist on saying a player is their height in bare feat.

 If every other player's height is taken with their shoes on why do we need to bring up their height without shoes?

Because they way you can insist that our players are undersized
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Re: Are we stunting Smart's growth?
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2016, 12:06:24 PM »

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Players don't play in stocking feet, they play in sneakers.

So players should be measured as they're playing.

Marcus with sneakers on, is probably closer to 6-4 than 6-2.
And thus, curry and smart should be the same height.  Unless you only want to give shoes to Marcus?