Cs,Bulls,Bucks,Raptors trade idea slightly based on lowe article

[CFAN38]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hdjsjen

Cs get Monroe,Moore

Bulls get Lee,James Johnson (from raptors), Cs 2016 st top 10 protected

Bucks get Noah , mavs 2016, raptors future protected 1st, clippers 2016 2nd

Raptors get sully

Why,

Cs its a big man consolidation move. The forum post about the Lowe article involving Mornoe debates his fit

Bulls, I cant see them resigning Noah. The cash him out for vets on the bench and a likely mid first

Bucks, they get a do over from the Monroe signing. Noah should help them this year and they get a nice pile of picks

Raptors, they are said to be shopping a future pick for help right now and are weak at PF.

[Ilikesports17]

2 firsts Lee Sully and Johnson for Monroe?

Feels expensive for a guy who we didn't pursue as an FA but then again in quality for quantity trades you are going to have to give up a lot of quantity so it doesn't seem too bad.

I don't know much about the Toronto first but unless its projected to be really good the Bulls win this trade. Right now Amir is better than him and on a better contract.

[PhoSita]

A four team trade is extremely unlikely.

[jdpapa3]

Close, but I think a 1st too steep for me. Thought the Johnson was Amir at first, but it's James.

[slamtheking]

2 firsts Lee Sully and Johnson for Monroe?

Feels expensive for a guy who we didn't pursue as an FA

This.  Monroe is an upgrade over Sully but not 2 1sts worth and like him or not Lee is still an NBA-caliber player.  I always liked E'twaun --> played with a chip on his shoulder -- but he doesn't make up for the difference in what the C's are giving up.

[ssspence]

A four team trade is extremely unlikely.

what have you got against four team trades??

[wdleehi]

Not a big fan since it moves both Lee and Amir.  Want to keep one for salary matching purposes for later possible trades.

[PhoSita]

A four team trade is extremely unlikely.

what have you got against four team trades??

This exercise that we engage in -- coming up with trade ideas -- is inherently silly, because as fans we just have no idea about all of the moving parts and the backroom stuff.  How these negotiations work, that sort of thing.

The complications increase exponentially as you increase the number of teams.  I don't think this is going to be an especially active deadline and I definitely don't think we're going to see a four team blockbuster with players going four different ways.  There are just too many places where it can break down.

If the point of proposing these trade ideas is just to have fun, then there's nothing wrong with it.  If you actually want to come up with plausible ideas, proposing multi-team trades is not a good way to do it.

[slamtheking]

A four team trade is extremely unlikely.

what have you got against four team trades??

This exercise that we engage in -- coming up with trade ideas -- is inherently silly, because as fans we just have no idea about all of the moving parts and the backroom stuff.  How these negotiations work, that sort of thing.

The complications increase exponentially as you increase the number of teams.  I don't think this is going to be an especially active deadline and I definitely don't think we're going to see a four team blockbuster with players going four different ways.  There are just too many places where it can break down.

If the point of proposing these trade ideas is just to have fun, then there's nothing wrong with it.  If you actually want to come up with plausible ideas, proposing multi-team trades is not a good way to do it.

[CFAN38]

Not a big fan since it moves both Lee and Amir.  Want to keep one for salary matching purposes for later possible trades.

I edited to clarify that its Johnson from Toronto going to the bulls not Amir.

As for 4 team trades I agree they are unlikely but I do feel this is an example of each team getting what they would want out of a deal.

[CFAN38]

2 firsts Lee Sully and Johnson for Monroe?

Feels expensive for a guy who we didn't pursue as an FA but then again in quality for quantity trades you are going to have to give up a lot of quantity so it doesn't seem too bad.

I don't know much about the Toronto first but unless its projected to be really good the Bulls win this trade. Right now Amir is better than him and on a better contract.

I clarified the Johnson involved. I agree its a steep price but the Cs cant use all these picks. Also I think the Cs stayed away from Monroe because they new the market for him would be tough. This up coming off-season will be flooded with money and likely worse then last off-seasons overpays.

[ssspence]

A four team trade is extremely unlikely.

what have you got against four team trades??

This exercise that we engage in -- coming up with trade ideas -- is inherently silly, because as fans we just have no idea about all of the moving parts and the backroom stuff.  How these negotiations work, that sort of thing.

The complications increase exponentially as you increase the number of teams.  I don't think this is going to be an especially active deadline and I definitely don't think we're going to see a four team blockbuster with players going four different ways.  There are just too many places where it can break down.

If the point of proposing these trade ideas is just to have fun, then there's nothing wrong with it.  If you actually want to come up with plausible ideas, proposing multi-team trades is not a good way to do it.

4 teams deals are not that infrequent. Ainge can handle it. I even recall him doing a 5 team deal once.

[chilidawg]

Lee, Sully and two non lottery firsts for Monroe would be a good deal for the Celtics.  We can afford to over pay with our glut of picks and depth.

[slamtheking]

Lee, Sully and two non lottery firsts for Monroe would be a good deal for the Celtics.  We can afford to over pay with our glut of picks and depth.

no, overpayment is bad.  always bad.  would you pay $125 for something worth $100 just because you had another $25 in your pocket?

[PhoSita]

A four team trade is extremely unlikely.

what have you got against four team trades??

This exercise that we engage in -- coming up with trade ideas -- is inherently silly, because as fans we just have no idea about all of the moving parts and the backroom stuff.  How these negotiations work, that sort of thing.

The complications increase exponentially as you increase the number of teams.  I don't think this is going to be an especially active deadline and I definitely don't think we're going to see a four team blockbuster with players going four different ways.  There are just too many places where it can break down.

If the point of proposing these trade ideas is just to have fun, then there's nothing wrong with it.  If you actually want to come up with plausible ideas, proposing multi-team trades is not a good way to do it.

4 teams deals are not that infrequent. Ainge can handle it. I even recall him doing a 5 team deal once.

Usually the larger deals are just an extension of a two or three team deal with another team or two jumping in to help make salaries work and skim a second rounder or something like that off the top.

Anyway, yes, those deals do happen, though it's really not that common.  But there are so many moving parts, there's no point in trying to predict it.  Simple two team deals involving just a handful of players and a pick or two, those are much simpler and easier to make a case for how and why it would happen without running into CBA issues and what not.