Trade Idea in Zach Lowe Article

[Evantime34]

The Bucks aren't ready to cut bait on the Monroe-Parker-Antetokounmpo trio yet, but Monroe will draw interest at the trade deadline if they put him out there.

They haven't yet, league sources say. But Monroe can opt out after next season, and if the Bucks don't think he's a long-term fit, now is the time to gauge the market. Monroe on a two-plus-one deal was always free money for Milwaukee. If he worked out, great, they'd probably make the playoffs again, and enflame a fan base as they sought public money for a new arena. If it didn't work out, what was the harm? Signing Monroe put Milwaukee on the free-agent map, and experimenting with a low-post bruiser wouldn't waste any of Parker's or Antetokounmpo's prime years. They are still just 20 and 21, years away from the point at which players develop into the centerpieces of contending teams. The long-term picture is fine.

All three of Boston, Charlotte and Portland could offer combinations of players, picks and salary filler that might interest Milwaukee. One lottery-protected Boston pick wouldn't do it, and the Celtics aren't flipping those golden Brooklyn picks for Monroe. But what about two of their own picks, or one pick and Jared Sullinger? Would one unprotected Charlotte pick do the trick, since the Hornets are something like a 50-50 bet to end up in the lottery even with Monroe? Portland has chased Monroe before, and they have some interesting young guys and $20 million in cap room. After working to establish themselves as a player-friendly place, the Bucks would have to be careful about where, and how, they deal Monroe.

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How about it, would you deal Sully and a first or two firsts for Monroe?

[Eddie20]

The Bucks aren't ready to cut bait on the Monroe-Parker-Antetokounmpo trio yet, but Monroe will draw interest at the trade deadline if they put him out there.

They haven't yet, league sources say. But Monroe can opt out after next season, and if the Bucks don't think he's a long-term fit, now is the time to gauge the market. Monroe on a two-plus-one deal was always free money for Milwaukee. If he worked out, great, they'd probably make the playoffs again, and enflame a fan base as they sought public money for a new arena. If it didn't work out, what was the harm? Signing Monroe put Milwaukee on the free-agent map, and experimenting with a low-post bruiser wouldn't waste any of Parker's or Antetokounmpo's prime years. They are still just 20 and 21, years away from the point at which players develop into the centerpieces of contending teams. The long-term picture is fine.

All three of Boston, Charlotte and Portland could offer combinations of players, picks and salary filler that might interest Milwaukee. One lottery-protected Boston pick wouldn't do it, and the Celtics aren't flipping those golden Brooklyn picks for Monroe. But what about two of their own picks, or one pick and Jared Sullinger? Would one unprotected Charlotte pick do the trick, since the Hornets are something like a 50-50 bet to end up in the lottery even with Monroe? Portland has chased Monroe before, and they have some interesting young guys and $20 million in cap room. After working to establish themselves as a player-friendly place, the Bucks would have to be careful about where, and how, they deal Monroe.

How about it, would you deal Sully and a first or two firsts for Monroe?

Why? Did we have any interest in him when we could of potentially signed him during free agency? It's not as though he's been setting the world on fire this season. Plus, his style screams bad fit for our offense.

[jdpapa3]

I think Monroe fits well with our team. We don't need a traditional rim protector because our perimeter D is incredible. We need a two-way Center to fill the void that Sullinger is likely to leave next season(and Sully's O has fallen off a cliff). Monroe pops up in most APMs with good defensive numbers too often to call it a coincidence. His rebounding and positioning is key.

It would have to be a situation where we know the major splashes are off the table because Lee's contract would be the filler.

What wouldn't add up in the whole thing is that we had the chance to pursue Monroe this summer and didn't seem to.

[BudweiserCeltic]

The Bucks aren't ready to cut bait on the Monroe-Parker-Antetokounmpo trio yet, but Monroe will draw interest at the trade deadline if they put him out there.

They haven't yet, league sources say. But Monroe can opt out after next season, and if the Bucks don't think he's a long-term fit, now is the time to gauge the market. Monroe on a two-plus-one deal was always free money for Milwaukee. If he worked out, great, they'd probably make the playoffs again, and enflame a fan base as they sought public money for a new arena. If it didn't work out, what was the harm? Signing Monroe put Milwaukee on the free-agent map, and experimenting with a low-post bruiser wouldn't waste any of Parker's or Antetokounmpo's prime years. They are still just 20 and 21, years away from the point at which players develop into the centerpieces of contending teams. The long-term picture is fine.

All three of Boston, Charlotte and Portland could offer combinations of players, picks and salary filler that might interest Milwaukee. One lottery-protected Boston pick wouldn't do it, and the Celtics aren't flipping those golden Brooklyn picks for Monroe. But what about two of their own picks, or one pick and Jared Sullinger? Would one unprotected Charlotte pick do the trick, since the Hornets are something like a 50-50 bet to end up in the lottery even with Monroe? Portland has chased Monroe before, and they have some interesting young guys and $20 million in cap room. After working to establish themselves as a player-friendly place, the Bucks would have to be careful about where, and how, they deal Monroe.

How about it, would you deal Sully and a first or two firsts for Monroe?

This one makes me think.

First let me just say that I don't think Ainge has much interest in Monroe. I've been on the camp that thought it was a mistake not to go after him (if you buy into that theory as I do).

That said, I'm not so sure I want to trade for him. Not much of a fan of his contract, essentially a 1 year rental, and then we have to take into consideration buying power next off season (I'd rather have Monroe than cap space).

But still the main problem remains, his contract. Not a fan. If it was a more longer term contract I'd go for it with little thought behind it.

So, not sure where I stand. It's a juggling act for me, i'd probably be OK with either or not doing it.

[arctic 3.0]

Absofreekin'lutly but don't think that it works salary wise.
I was playing around with Monroe trades on the trade checker the other day, if I recall we would need to send out a big salary like lee.
If so I'd rather save that chip for a run at Gallo.

[Evantime34]

The Bucks aren't ready to cut bait on the Monroe-Parker-Antetokounmpo trio yet, but Monroe will draw interest at the trade deadline if they put him out there.

They haven't yet, league sources say. But Monroe can opt out after next season, and if the Bucks don't think he's a long-term fit, now is the time to gauge the market. Monroe on a two-plus-one deal was always free money for Milwaukee. If he worked out, great, they'd probably make the playoffs again, and enflame a fan base as they sought public money for a new arena. If it didn't work out, what was the harm? Signing Monroe put Milwaukee on the free-agent map, and experimenting with a low-post bruiser wouldn't waste any of Parker's or Antetokounmpo's prime years. They are still just 20 and 21, years away from the point at which players develop into the centerpieces of contending teams. The long-term picture is fine.

All three of Boston, Charlotte and Portland could offer combinations of players, picks and salary filler that might interest Milwaukee. One lottery-protected Boston pick wouldn't do it, and the Celtics aren't flipping those golden Brooklyn picks for Monroe. But what about two of their own picks, or one pick and Jared Sullinger? Would one unprotected Charlotte pick do the trick, since the Hornets are something like a 50-50 bet to end up in the lottery even with Monroe? Portland has chased Monroe before, and they have some interesting young guys and $20 million in cap room. After working to establish themselves as a player-friendly place, the Bucks would have to be careful about where, and how, they deal Monroe.

How about it, would you deal Sully and a first or two firsts for Monroe?

Why? Did we have any interest in him when we could of potentially signed him during free agency? It's not as though he's been setting the world on fire this season. Plus, his style screams bad fit for our offense.

My reasoning is that he is an upgrade from Sullinger and gives us a legit post presence on offense.
He can provide the same rebounding as Sullinger but help us more on the offensive end than Sully does.

[Evantime34]

Absofreekin'lutly but don't think that it works salary wise.
I was playing around with Monroe trades on the trade checker the other day, if I recall we would need to send out a big salary like lee.
If so I'd rather save that chip for a run at Gallo.

Yeah I think it'd be something like Lee, Sully and a first for Monroe. I'd also happily give up the same package for Danilo

[wdleehi]

I think Monroe fits well with our team. We don't need a traditional rim protector because our perimeter D is incredible. We need a two-way Center to fill the void that Sullinger is likely to leave next season(and Sully's O has fallen off a cliff). Monroe pops up in most APMs with good defensive numbers too often to call it a coincidence. His rebounding and positioning is key.

It would have to be a situation where we know the major splashes are off the table because Lee's contract would be the filler.

What wouldn't add up in the whole thing is that we had the chance to pursue Monroe this summer and didn't seem to.

I like the idea.   


And it wouldn't stop the Celtics from making another big move if one was available.  The combination of Amir and Jerebko deal (both basically a one year deal with a team option) equals around 17 million.




I like the Monroe for Lee, Sully and Boston's lotto protected 1st.   Even better, the Bucks could trade a trade exception for Sully and the Lee for Monroe still works. 

[Csfan1984]

I don't believe Bucks are abandoning things just yet. They should be buyers. They should off load Henson and MCW and target Conley in FA.

[slamtheking]

I think Monroe fits well with our team. We don't need a traditional rim protector because our perimeter D is incredible. We need a two-way Center to fill the void that Sullinger is likely to leave next season(and Sully's O has fallen off a cliff). Monroe pops up in most APMs with good defensive numbers too often to call it a coincidence. His rebounding and positioning is key.

It would have to be a situation where we know the major splashes are off the table because Lee's contract would be the filler.

What wouldn't add up in the whole thing is that we had the chance to pursue Monroe this summer and didn't seem to.

I like the idea.   


And it wouldn't stop the Celtics from making another big move if one was available.  The combination of Amir and Jerebko deal (both basically a one year deal with a team option) equals around 17 million.

I like the Monroe for Lee, Sully and Boston's lotto protected 1st.   Even better, the Bucks could trade a trade exception for Sully and the Lee for Monroe still works. 

I get the allure of a talent upgrade from Sully to Monroe but the way I'm seeing it, we're helping them shed Monroe's contract for an expiring deal in Lee, giving them a trade exception from Sully AND giving them a first rounder in what you're offering.  I'd revise that offer to just Lee and Sully for Monroe or Lee and either the better of the C's/Dallas picks this year (lottery protected) OR if both are in the lottery, they get the worse of the two picks.  The concern I have with that offering is that we still have a clogged frontcourt but at least we'd still have Sully as a trade chip for another deal.

[ssspence]

I have no issue parting with Sully and a pick for a good player, but I have no interest in Monroe.

[Lucky17]

I think Monroe fits well with our team. We don't need a traditional rim protector because our perimeter D is incredible. We need a two-way Center to fill the void that Sullinger is likely to leave next season(and Sully's O has fallen off a cliff). Monroe pops up in most APMs with good defensive numbers too often to call it a coincidence. His rebounding and positioning is key.

It would have to be a situation where we know the major splashes are off the table because Lee's contract would be the filler.

What wouldn't add up in the whole thing is that we had the chance to pursue Monroe this summer and didn't seem to.

I like the idea.   


And it wouldn't stop the Celtics from making another big move if one was available.  The combination of Amir and Jerebko deal (both basically a one year deal with a team option) equals around 17 million.

I like the Monroe for Lee, Sully and Boston's lotto protected 1st.   Even better, the Bucks could trade a trade exception for Sully and the Lee for Monroe still works.

I'd like it too. Celtics would still have rangy bigs in KO and Jerebko (for the short-term) to pair with Monroe in the frontcourt. Crowder could serve in that role as well. Still enough ammo to make a follow-up deal.

[wdleehi]

I think Monroe fits well with our team. We don't need a traditional rim protector because our perimeter D is incredible. We need a two-way Center to fill the void that Sullinger is likely to leave next season(and Sully's O has fallen off a cliff). Monroe pops up in most APMs with good defensive numbers too often to call it a coincidence. His rebounding and positioning is key.

It would have to be a situation where we know the major splashes are off the table because Lee's contract would be the filler.

What wouldn't add up in the whole thing is that we had the chance to pursue Monroe this summer and didn't seem to.

I like the idea.   


And it wouldn't stop the Celtics from making another big move if one was available.  The combination of Amir and Jerebko deal (both basically a one year deal with a team option) equals around 17 million.

I like the Monroe for Lee, Sully and Boston's lotto protected 1st.   Even better, the Bucks could trade a trade exception for Sully and the Lee for Monroe still works. 

I get the allure of a talent upgrade from Sully to Monroe but the way I'm seeing it, we're helping them shed Monroe's contract for an expiring deal in Lee, giving them a trade exception from Sully AND giving them a first rounder in what you're offering.  I'd revise that offer to just Lee and Sully for Monroe or Lee and either the better of the C's/Dallas picks this year (lottery protected) OR if both are in the lottery, they get the worse of the two picks.  The concern I have with that offering is that we still have a clogged frontcourt but at least we'd still have Sully as a trade chip for another deal.

Celtics get the trade exception. 


As for the clog, one less big man on the team.   One big man clearly better then the others.  One big man clearly the starting C. 


It improves the Celtics talent.   It is a quantity for quality trade.  It leaves in place the majority of the off-seasons trading pieces. 


Celtics still have 17 million in non-guaranteed money to trade or just waive.  Leaves them open to go after good free agents.

[slamtheking]

I think Monroe fits well with our team. We don't need a traditional rim protector because our perimeter D is incredible. We need a two-way Center to fill the void that Sullinger is likely to leave next season(and Sully's O has fallen off a cliff). Monroe pops up in most APMs with good defensive numbers too often to call it a coincidence. His rebounding and positioning is key.

It would have to be a situation where we know the major splashes are off the table because Lee's contract would be the filler.

What wouldn't add up in the whole thing is that we had the chance to pursue Monroe this summer and didn't seem to.

I like the idea.   


And it wouldn't stop the Celtics from making another big move if one was available.  The combination of Amir and Jerebko deal (both basically a one year deal with a team option) equals around 17 million.

I like the Monroe for Lee, Sully and Boston's lotto protected 1st.   Even better, the Bucks could trade a trade exception for Sully and the Lee for Monroe still works. 

I get the allure of a talent upgrade from Sully to Monroe but the way I'm seeing it, we're helping them shed Monroe's contract for an expiring deal in Lee, giving them a trade exception from Sully AND giving them a first rounder in what you're offering.  I'd revise that offer to just Lee and Sully for Monroe or Lee and either the better of the C's/Dallas picks this year (lottery protected) OR if both are in the lottery, they get the worse of the two picks.  The concern I have with that offering is that we still have a clogged frontcourt but at least we'd still have Sully as a trade chip for another deal.

Celtics get the trade exception. 


As for the clog, one less big man on the team.   One big man clearly better then the others.  One big man clearly the starting C. 


It improves the Celtics talent.   It is a quantity for quality trade.  It leaves in place the majority of the off-seasons trading pieces. 


Celtics still have 17 million in non-guaranteed money to trade or just waive.  Leaves them open to go after good free agents.

ok - my misunderstanding on the exception.  Considering how Danny's used those in the past, I'd go along with the deal but with the pick protections I mentioned

[Geo123]

Why do you think that the Bucks would trade Monroe?  They have given no indication that they are unhappy with him and they just signed him.